Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 18525 posts, RR: 51 Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1935 times:
While United's IAM members authorised a strike if needed, the unions advises
"the union currently has no plans to go on strike and will return to the negotiating table with the airline next week over the contracts and a replacement pension plan."
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 3806 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1900 times:
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 71 Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
well...UA are back in court right now..and somebody from the union talked about "using the hammer" on TV.....we'll see what happens.....
F9HNLPLZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 108 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 3): Typical from United Airlines and their Union... A lot of talk, and little action!
I take it you hate UAL? Think about how hard it would be for you to fill hotel rooms if the largest carrier to the Hawaiian Islands stops flying. You don't think your job will be affected a bit? I think so.
Frontier Airlines, A Whole Different Animal. Maybe some day to Hawaii???
Mojo89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1623 times:
Quoting F9HNLPLZ (Reply 5): I take it you hate UAL? Think about how hard it would be for you to fill hotel rooms if the largest carrier to the Hawaiian Islands stops flying. You don't think your job will be affected a bit? I think so.
Somehow I don't think it would take too long to fill the vacuum. UA may be big, but they are not the end all be all for the Hawaiian economy and tourism industry.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
Tu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 355 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1500 times:
Quoting Mojo89 (Reply 6): Somehow I don't think it would take too long to fill the vacuum. UA may be big, but they are not the end all be all for the Hawaiian economy and tourism industry.
and how will all these airlines fill the void. what airline in the US has the money to buy routes form the bankrutcy courts?
FIRST ON THE ATLANTIC.....FIRST ON THE PACIFIC.....FIRST IN LATIN AMERICA...FIRST 'ROUND THE WORLD.....PAN AM!!
UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
Randy Canale is all talk. So of course he feels like he has his a$$ covered going into negotiations with a strike vote behind him.
I've been in the IAM now for 6 years, I can't name one thing the IAM has accomplished in all that time.
They SAY they are for us but all I see them doing is covering thier a$$es, and maintaining a good propaganda campaign for the other IAM loacals at other airlines to consume.
Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2684 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1341 times:
Quoting Tu154 (Reply 7): and how will all these airlines fill the void. what airline in the US has the money to buy routes form the bankrutcy courts?
An airline doesn't need to buy routes for domestic flights. If CO decided that they wanted to have 20 flights a day from every major US city to HNL, they would be permitted to do so. They wouldn't have to purchase route authorities from anyone. If UA was liquidated tomorrow, everyone could jump in with new flights in 24 hours if they had the capacity. International routes, such as flights to China, are another story, however.
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1931 posts, RR: 36 Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
Quoting Tu154 (Reply 7): what airline in the US has the money to buy routes form the bankrutcy courts?
Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 9): International routes, such as flights to China, are another story, however.
In bankruptcy, I don't believe international route authorities are considered tangible assetts - I may be wrong on this so some one correct me. If an airline liquidates, I believe the routes are up for grabs based on the terms of the bilateral - simple government approval is all that is required. If the two countries involved have Open Skies - then no permissions are needed whatsoever.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 9202 posts, RR: 63 Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1317 times:
Quoting PA110 (Reply 10): In bankruptcy, I don't believe international route authorities are considered tangible assetts - I may be wrong on this so some one correct me. If an airline liquidates, I believe the routes are up for grabs based on the terms of the bilateral - simple government approval is all that is required. If the two countries involved have Open Skies - then no permissions are needed whatsoever.
While I doubt UA will liquidate, in that unlikely event, AA, CO and DL would be falling all over themselves to get UA's international route authorities.
The Open Skies is key, though, because UA's traffic rights to places like Hong Kong, Singapore, France and Germany are pretty much worthless. Their take-off and landing slots at airports like HKG, SIN, CDG or FRA are worth more. In highly restricted markets like Japan and China, however, the fight over those rights would be like nothing seen before.
AA is probably going to want rights and slots at NRT, and in PVG and PEK, and maybe ICN. CO will also want NRT and PVG and perhaps PEK from IAH, and DL is going to want something in China or Asia, though probably not as much as the other two.
"The airline industry is like church - many attend, few understand." - Robert L. Crandall
ToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1298 times:
Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 8): I've been in the IAM now for 6 years, I can't name one thing the IAM has accomplished in all that time.
They SAY they are for us but all I see them doing is covering thier a$$es, and maintaining a good propaganda campaign for the other IAM loacals at other airlines to consume.
You got that right! They are all about propaganda. Amazing how when the IAM was "courting" the TWA flight attendants a few years ago with their talk of "clout" I recieved mailings everyday for a couple of months. In the last two and a half years since I was furloughed from AAir Berlin I havent heard much from the IAM. Can I get a refund?
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1931 posts, RR: 36 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1291 times:
Good point Commavia, - but I think you've forgotten the hottest slot destination of all - LHR. AA would kill to move over some more flights to LHR, and a fight between NW, CO and DL to be nominated as the second designated U.S. carrier would be spectacular!
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 9202 posts, RR: 63 Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1280 times:
Quoting PA110 (Reply 13): Good point Commavia, - but I think you've forgotten the hottest slot destination of all - LHR.
No, I haven't forgotten it, I just excluded it because it doesn't really fit into a category with the other authorities stated. The geopolitical wrangling and longterm implications of LHR rights in the wake of any (unlikely) UA shutdown would constitute a battle royale the likes of which the international civil aviation community has never seen before.
"The airline industry is like church - many attend, few understand." - Robert L. Crandall
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1931 posts, RR: 36 Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1274 times:
Well, I'm off in another moment or two. Gotta pack. I'm flying UA today to OGG. I plan to enjoy my UA flight and chat with my industry colleagues at UA - Give them a little moral support. Working in the industry, I'm not normally obsessed enough to write trip reports, but hey - given the current situation, you might see one in 10 days time.
Arrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1210 times:
Quoting PA110 (Reply 15): Well, I'm off in another moment or two. Gotta pack. I'm flying UA today to OGG.
How nice. I'm scheduled to fly to OGG on United on June 8 -- on one of those about-to-be-repossessed 767s. Womder if I'll make it. I look forward to your trip report.
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