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Onboard H2O From Countries With Unsafe H2O Supply  
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2689 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

I was thinking about this when I was flying on CO from PVR-EWR last year. While I know that many airlines double cater from their hubs for the food on both the outbound and return flights, catering still needs to come to the plane at the outstation to replace ice and water. When you are departing from a country where the water is, well, questionable, such as Mexico (no offense to any Mexican members here), is it safe to have a beverage on the plane with ice in it? I know that the soda is already canned and is safe, but what about the tap water sources, such as ice or tank water, that have been refilled by local catering companies?

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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Just ask for bottled water, that's what I do, whether it's Domestic in the States, or a hop down to South Africa. The taste difference alone is reason enough to ask for bottled water, versus the crap that comes out of the tap.


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2689 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

It's a given that they serve bottled water. I'm talking more about the ice that they put in the cup.

User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Simple... I never accept ice in any drink, and any water must be out of a bottle.

User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Most catering companies are global such as Skychef, etc and they maintain uniform standards around the world. How many people do you see dropping dead from eating airline food or drinking bad water onboard an airliner? If they did... A.net would be full of horror stories! Sanitary standards at airline catering kitchens in majority of the world is of higher standards than your neighborhood restaurants. I would not worry about it. And if in doubt just drink bottled water and leave ice out.


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

The water that they use to make the ice is purified, as is the ice in 4 and 5 star hotels pretty much world wide. I've never had a problem from the ice on a major airliner, and I've flown most everywhere except Aus/NZ (I don't think they would be too dicey).

I admit that I didn't have the ice on CZ last year (it had to be the worst wine ever made, and the plane smelled like a stable, literally).


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2718 times:
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As far as aircraft potable water, CO requires that water taken onboard at a non-US station be tested to determine that it is equivalent to US drinking water standards. The water is actually sampled and sent to a lab for regular testing. Of course we've all heard about potable water in aircraft tanks, but at least the water and water trucks are sanitized to the same standards as they would be domestically. It's not coming from some "questionable" source.


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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Most hotels in less-developed countries purify their water by boiling it or using more rigorous purification processes. I assume catering companies do the same.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

As far as Mexican water goes, it is not an issue of quality. People who live there have no problem with it. Many Americans get sick drinking European tap water because of the difference in bacteria.


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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 4):
How many people do you see dropping dead from eating airline food or drinking bad water onboard an airliner?

Getting sick from bad water can take up to 2 weeks and in many cases people cannot pinpoint the source.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 5):
CZ last year (it had to be the worst wine ever made

I believe the polite wine term for that stuff is "earthy"  yuck 


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
As far as Mexican water goes, it is not an issue of quality. People who live there have no problem with it. Many Americans get sick drinking European tap water because of the difference in bacteria.

I have to somewhat disagree with you, but semantics may be part of the problem.

Water is by definition H2O, and as such any other stuff in there is an impurity.

The levels and types of impurities are the determinants of "quality".

The human body is a marvelous machine when it comes to adapting, and will adjust to almost anything over time. People who live in Mexico or India have no problem drinking the tap water, but their systems have become immune from the contaminants over time. A NRI business associate of mine that grew up in Mumbai gets very sick from the food and water there now when he visits, even though it did not bother him while he was a child and young adult.

When I eat or drink the wrong thing, I generally know in less than 1 hour.

It has become a bit of a game for me. I've managed my last 3 trips (out of 8 total) to India without getting "Delhi Belly", which I am rather proud of.


User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

The potable water tanks on the 73G that we at AEU fly round trips of 5-7 hours each way are way too small. We don't uplift water at destination (due to the level of contamination). That means that we have to extra careful on the flights not to use any water that we don't have to (brewing the minimum amount of tea / coffee etc). However with a full passenger load each way, often the water runs out half way through the return trip. Toilets only suck and don't flush, no extra cups of tea for the crew - it's not pleasant, but it beats the alternative!! We carry ice from the UK for the round trip, and plenty of bottled water and wet wipes for the loos!!

User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 9):
Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 4):
How many people do you see dropping dead from eating airline food or drinking bad water onboard an airliner?

Getting sick from bad water can take up to 2 weeks and in many cases people cannot pinpoint the source.

With all due respect I have traveled to numerous countries throughout Asia, Africa and Latin America and have experienced water-related stomach problems... and also have a very good training in medical sciences... sickness arising from water borne bacteria will manifest very, very quickly. Within 48-72 hours. And secondly, if this was such a huge problem in our law suit happy society we would have had hundreds of law suits against airlines related to on-board potable water problem. In today's global world especially when it comes to airline operations (including on-board catering) it is pretty standardized as long as you are working with a reputable vendor. Majority of the food handling and water purification systems at these catering companies are imported from the US or EU and staff trained by people from the West. It's not something I would worry about. As I said before... on-board catering gets more scrutiny than your local neighborhood restaurants' kitchens.



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User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 602 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

It can be the same in the US as well. the difference in water from city to city can make people sick. I got sick in the mountains of Colorado from the water, though I grew up in Denver. As for water from the potable water tank, I'll never drink it. That's just my personal feelings based off things I've seen inside the tanks and water lines.

[Edited 2005-05-12 22:29:03]

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2345 times:

I would advise anybody against drinking the tap water in the aircraft lavs. The aircraft tanks get usualy desinfected every A-check, about once a month, but you´ll never know what kind of water gets filled in. The coffee makers and faucets in the galleys receive their water through an antibacterial filter, which also gets changed regularly and makes this water safe.
BTW, this topic has been discussed many times before in the Tech/Ops forum.

Jan


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2316 times:

NEVER DRINK ANYTHING BUT BOTTLED WATER ON ANY AIRCRAFT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

it is a tremendous risk. there is never a guarantee that the water is not contaminated. standards for sanitation vary widely and are not reliable anywhere, within the US or anywhere else. never ever drink the water from the onboard taps.



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2316 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Thread starter):
such as Mexico (no offense to any Mexican members here)

excuse me??????????? What is so wrong with Mexico's water? Talk about one of the biggest stereotypes. Perhaps at ONE POINT IN TIME we had a problem but not anymore. I refuse to further comment on this less than perfect thread...if you can call it that.


oh and:

VIVA MEXICO AND ITS WATER!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Thread starter):
Onboard H2O From Countries With Unsafe H2O Supply...

Switch to C2H5OH. always a safe supply
 Smile



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User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2250 times:

H2O in most airlines including US airlines is bad. Don't drink it. You're better off not washing your hands. Same is for hospitals.

User currently offlineKaniksu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
As far as Mexican water goes, it is not an issue of quality. People who live there have no problem with it. Many Americans get sick drinking European tap water because of the difference in bacteria.

Most Americans believe it is an issue with Mexican water specifically. I know I've heard that my whole life. I guess a lot of people have images of Mexico being third world and not up to normal standards and therefore the water is unsafe.

When I was in Europe for the first time I got really ill in my first week there. Horrible stomach pains that almost knocked me down. It was really bad. I was told by my American friends that it happened to all of them the first time as well, and the same to Europeans when they visit the US. So when I go to Mexico for the first time this month I'll probably drink the water  Wink lol


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

I must have a very sensitive stomach, because there are some cities where I absolutely have a problem after drinking the water (Chicago, Washington DC) and others where I don't have any problems at all (New York, Los Angeles). Fortunately, I have never had a problem with the water here at home in Miami - even when I would just come down from NYC to visit.

Unfortunately, I will be flying up to DCA for the weekend tomorrow... Sad


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

The CDC reccomends that people do NOT drink the Washington, D.C. water, I got a notice in the mail awhile ago. Mexico does have bad water if one isn't used to it, and never drink water from a plane's tap no matter where it is from and/or flying to/from.

User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 18):
You're better off not washing your hands.

Congratulations! That's about the least sensible thing I've read all day. Care to explain how you came to this conclusion?



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 21):
The CDC reccomends that people do NOT drink the Washington, D.C. water, I got a notice in the mail awhile ago.

Huh? I can't believe that would be a long-standing directive. Usually municipal water authorities will issue a "boil water" notice for a few days if a water main ruptures or something like that.

Can you please elaborate on this? Thanks!


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2689 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Quoting Concentriq (Reply 17):
Switch to C2H5OH. always a safe supply

You know, it's kind of sad that I was able to read your post and actually know that you were referring to ethanol. AP Chem has taught me the most useless things...I can actually understand the ingredients in my shampoo bottles now...

I know this is kind of off-topic, but can you even drink ethanol? Is it safe? In lab, I've become so accustomed to assuming that everything is incredibly dangerous that I wouldn't even consider drinking a chemical. For anyone who has some chemistry knowledge, we were working with 6 M HCl today in lab...nasty stuff.

[Edited 2005-05-13 03:37:53]

25 Post contains images Concentriq : hehe. thats the only alcohol formula that i could remember at the time, and i used it because you used another chemical formula in your post, and hey
26 Cubsrule : Ethanol is the alcohol content in beverages. It's important to note that having 2 ice cubes in a drink and 3 glasses of tap water will produce wildly
27 Post contains images MD11junkie : Just one question to all you guys that say not to drink anything but bottled: Why... and why on earth would an airline put unpurified/not potable wate
28 AMSSpotter : On my trips to the States, I've always been drinking tap water and it never made me sick. Actually, the US is one of the last countries where I would
29 Post contains images FA4AM : Drinking water from any faucet or tap in Mexico could make you ill, since it has a large amount of bacteria. All Mexicans drink bottled water, well, a
30 B744F : most bottled water is just tap water anyway
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