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The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(  
User currently offlineTimetables From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

The Amazing Race is now over and the final episode did not dissapoint at all. The Aviation Continuity sequences continued of course: http://amazingraceaviation.blogspot.com/.

Enjoy.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

The Amazing Race 7 is over, but more is on the way. Season 8 is starting production, and Season 9 is taking applications.


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User currently offlineNavairjax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8654 times:

My only question is have you ever seen a door reopened like the SJU-MIA leg just for two pax?

User currently offlineTimetables From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

Yes. This does occur from time to time. It is unusual though.


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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1007 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8498 times:

Quoting Navairjax (Reply 2):
My only question is have you ever seen a door reopened like the SJU-MIA leg just for two pax?

It happened for 4 passengers (including myself). I was on a CO flight from EWR to ORD a few years back; it was very early morning flight on the day after Thanksgiving. The long-term parking bus took forever to come. By the time we got to the gate, the plane door was closed. They reopened it for our group. Then came the kicker. We pulled out, only to get a report that a few more passengers just got to the gate. Our pilot decided to get back to the gate and take them on. We finally got going and even made it to ORD on time; funny thing was, even with the last minute tally, we were hardly 20 passengers on that 737-500.

In the case of the Amazing Race, I wonder if the producers had something to do with reopening the door. If that had not happened, the race would have been finished without any real competition.

I feel that the producers had similar "hand" in AR5, when Chip and Kim got their tickets but others were told the flight was sold out, but next thing you know, they managed to get 4 additional seats.

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WARNING: If you have taped the show and have not seen the episode yet, don't read the following: it gives away the ending.
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Either way, I am glad it was Uchena and Joyce and not Rob and Amber! They were truly the more graceful team.

My $0.02.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8374 times:

I think the producers got involved to have that door reopened. Door closed + gate pulled away + late flight + next flight in a couple of hours + passengers wanting on to plane have tickets on the later flight + they aren't even on the waiting list = hard to believe they would reopen that door. They didn't even show the debate with the gate agent that led to her calling the captain. Uchena and Joyce weren't the people that were able to convince people to give them what they want in that race... them convincing the gate agent to reopen the door of a flight they weren't even supposed to be on it would have made good TV if true... but it wasn't shown. I think it was rigged but I am sure Rob and Amber were looked after as part of the deal. They have their million from survivor, a couple of vacations they won, their fully paid CBS wedding, and there will probably be more now that they are celebs.

User currently offlineMidex461 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 5):
I think the producers got involved to have that door reopened

Absolutely! Wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened either. If you've ever watch "Airline" on A&E, you'll have seen that dozens of times - for example when the WN sups got a flight to ISP rerouted to PVD for those oversold pax; you think that would have happened if the cameras weren't rolling? I know, it's not exactly the same thing, but close enough for government work. A rolling TV camera and production crew can work miracles.



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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8068 times:

I'm sure Uchena and Joyce have the biggest thanks for the AA pilot of the 737-500 flight from San Juan to Miami. If he hadn't decided to allow the gate to re-open, Rob and Amber would've surely won. Also big thanks to the AA gate attendant.


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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 5):
I think the producers got involved to have that door reopened. Door closed + gate pulled away + late flight + next flight in a couple of hours + passengers wanting on to plane have tickets on the later flight + they aren't even on the waiting list = hard to believe they would reopen that door.

I fully agree with that. The examples above are all of people who were ticketed on the flight that was about to leave, not standby with tickets on the next flight. Considering all they had to do was go to a cigar store in Miami, an hour or so head start would have been fatal to the other teams, and made for a less interesting episode. Rob and Amber still could have won if they hadn't got bad directions or understood a little Spanish. Personally, I liked them. They were the only ones that treated it as a race to be won, not just to participate in. Even at the end, they were the only ones that had the balls to try to get on standby for the first flight. The other two only got the idea after they realized the Rob and Amber were able to do it.  twocents 



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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8028 times:

How did you all like when they showed Chicago O'Hare's United terminal as being "Jamaica Airport" - Sangster International Airport MOntego Bay

User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

EnviroTO, I was thinking the same thing, I would never have put the jetway back up for 2 passengers on a later flight. I think there is a lot of tinkering with how the race ends up. Another thought, would Joyce and Uchenna have thought to have stood by for the earlier flight had they seen Rob and Amber sitting in the departure hall?

User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7919 times:

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):
I'm sure Uchena and Joyce have the biggest thanks for the AA pilot of the 737-500 flight from San Juan to Miami.

AA does not fly 737-500s...they only have -800s.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

I would never have put the jetway back up for 2 passengers on a later flight. I think there is a lot of tinkering with how the race ends up

I was pulling for Rob and Amber in this one, not because they needed the million bucks, but because I thought they played the game the best. Rob brought a new level of competition to The Amazing Race, albeit somewhat sneaky and Survivor-like.

Uchenna and Joyce were clearly the most classy and appealing team though. I thought waiting to pay the taxi cab fare was truly a nice gesture and showed they were genuine (I'm sure Romber wouldn't have waiting, and neither would I have hung around for that matter).

I thought opening the aircraft door for U & J was truly a bunch of hooey. That would never have happened in the real world (for a couple of standby travellers, no less). All of this after the gate agent clearly said 'no' - my experience is that these people generally don't like to go back on their word. Reattaching the jetway and opening the door costs valuable minutes and can result in lost departure slot. It was evident to me that AA did this because either the show's producers asked them to or because they were concerned about AA's reputation and thought it would be for the best (I have to assume that all key AA staff at SJU knew the Amazing Race teams were passing through town). Without this, the end of the race would not have been in doubt so I suspect the show's producers pulled some rank on that one. Either way, I guess what goes around comes around. Rob and Amber clearly benefitted from their Survivor fame all over the world and used it to their advantage. The Amazing Race is still my favorite reality TV show for sure....

Did anyone else notice that this was the first Amazing Race to not circumnavigate the world? This race had no trans-Pacific flying.



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User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):
I'm sure Uchena and Joyce have the biggest thanks for the AA pilot of the 737-500 flight from San Juan to Miami. If he hadn't decided to allow the gate to re-open, Rob and Amber would've surely won. Also big thanks to the AA gate attendant.

Umm. I saw what looked like a 737 leaving the gate, but when they were on the plane, (Shots of Rob and Amber) They were seated in a mid section of a wide body. Which mean they were on an Airbus 300-600.
Then they show various stock footage of AA planes taking off and landing, none of which matched up to an Airbus.
I know, I know, the genreal public doesn't know, nor care. But for me, I just wanted to scream!!!



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

Umm. I saw what looked like a 737 leaving the gate, but when they were on the plane, (Shots of Rob and Amber) They were seated in a mid section of a wide body. Which mean they were on an Airbus 300-600.

Very good catch. I am usually aware of these types of mistakes but this one slipped through. I guess the footage of Rob and Amber sitting smugly in their seats (on a widebody) was stock footage. The aircraft trying to leave the gate was clearly a B738. I also thought they showed the interior of the 738 when Rob was putting his backpack in the overhead bin and saying he would leave it there. But if that was not the same aircraft, then someone has some explaining to do!!!

I wonder if Rob ever got the backpack back??!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

Seriously guys. If the captain had any bit of niceness in him, he would open the door. While they are not allowed to say that they are in The Amazing Race, it is pretty obvious to any American that they are, and there is no doubt in my mind that the ticket agent knew that, and told the captain.

It is not as if the plane had backed out or was already delayed.

The producers had little, if any time, to interfere. Not to mention the fact they were nowhere near the gate area.



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User currently offlineNW727251ADV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 8):
The other two only got the idea after they realized the Rob and Amber were able to do it.



Quoting Seattle Ops (Reply 10):
Another thought, would Joyce and Uchenna have thought to have stood by for the earlier flight had they seen Rob and Amber sitting in the departure hall?

I dont know what final episode that YOU TWO were looking at but Uchenna's decision to check on the availability of standby tickets was almost instantaneous. As soon as they left the AA ticket counter with the Hispanic woman, Uchenna immediately suggested to Joyce on whether or not they should see if there was another flight in which they could get standby tickets. I recorded the finale so I don't know what either of you two are talking about when you claim that Rob and Amber being nowhere to be found influenced Uchenna to check to see if there was an alternate flight.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
AA does not fly 737-500s...they only have -800s.

Thanks for clearing that up because I never knew AA to have 735s.


User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7536 times:

Quoting Navairjax (Reply 2):
My only question is have you ever seen a door reopened like the SJU-MIA leg just for two pax?

It is the pilot's call and decision...so yes it can happen!


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3545 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 14):
Very good catch. I am usually aware of these types of mistakes but this one slipped through. I guess the footage of Rob and Amber sitting smugly in their seats (on a widebody) was stock footage. The aircraft trying to leave the gate was clearly a B738. I also thought they showed the interior of the 738 when Rob was putting his backpack in the overhead bin and saying he would leave it there. But if that was not the same aircraft, then someone has some explaining to do!!!

I wonder if Rob ever got the backpack back??!

Actually I think it's the other way around. I think the footage of the 738 is stock footage and they were actually on the A300. If you notice when he gets on the plane he asks the F/As if they're going to close the door as he walks to his seat in the middle of a widebody A/C.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

If the captain had any bit of niceness in him, he would open the door.

Normally I have a lot of respect for your opinions, MAH, but this time I have to disagree.
I have, personally, been denied boarding at least twice because the door was "closed". Oh not the door to the aircraft (with jetway still attached) but the door at the gate. When they close this door, it is usually out of sheer luck that you'll get the airline to reopen it. So I have a hard time believing that any airline would re-attach the jetway for two passengers stuck at the gate. Closed is closed, especially when the passengers are stand-by and confirmed on a later flight!

Clearly the show had some influence here, or at least influenced the decision by AA to re-attach the jetway and open the door. BTW - the plane they showed having its jetway reattached was definitely not an A300. Hmmmm... were Rob/Amber and Uchenna/Joyce actually on different aircraft?....



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User currently onlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

I don't think Rob and Amber were supposed to make it on that 9:45 or whatever it was flight. Everyone at AA kept saying "too late, too late" until some yahoo screwed with the plan and let them on the flight. I'd bet the producers probably intended another round of bunching so everybody would wind up on the 11:15 deptarture and it would be a short 3-way race to the finish line in MIA/FLL. But once R&A got on the flight, the producers knew there weren't enough tasks in Florida to allow the other teams to catch up and it would be the most boring finish of any season.

This is the 2nd (and arguably 3rd) finale out of the last 3 seasons that has been decided by last-minute shady airport shennanigans. In TAR5, Brandon & Nicole and Colin & Christie got shafted by some supposed rule about having to travel with your checked bags and not being allowed on the UA flight. Um, I travel separately from my checked bags all the time as a standby, when they make a flight and I don't. Less compelling is the argument that in TAR6, Kris & Jon not once but twice got wrong info about the first arriving flight HNL-ORD.

I know that producers probably manipulate the game to some extent the whole season, but these finales are starting to feel a little suspicious. As much as I disliked Rob & Amber, I almost feel sorry for them. But then I see the promo for their wedding special and I get over it.



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User currently offlineKurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7314 times:

Just to clarify a bit more after looking at Tivo very carefully:

They were on an A-300 - the aircraft was 2-4-2 and R/A were in the 4-block, Joyce was in a "B" seat in the 2-block and Uchenna was right behind her in another "B" seat.

They had footage of a 737-800 shot from "above" (directly in front of the aircraft) showing the jetbridge retracting and extending.

There was another shot from the side of the nose of the A-300 (looks like it was shot from inside the jetway, maybe through a window, but not directly "through" the jetway opening) or nearby showing the jetbridge extending.

As Uchenna/Joyce are escorted down the jetway, the door is opened. It an Airbus widebody door (moves outward, then to the left, no pivoting like a Boeing narrowbody door).

As U/J enter the aircraft, they move through first class and then into the economy cabin where Amber says something like "what took you guys so long." Rob says "this sucks."


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

For the AirJamaica flight from Jamaica to San Juan, Rob and Amber begged to get on the earlier flight but were denied I guess because of security reasons o they ended up sharing the later flight with Ron and Kelly.

The ticket agent at the AirJamaica check-in counter told them to try the ticket office but the agent in the ticket office just glanced at them, not even answering them, leaving Rob rather frustrated.

I know security might be the main reason but why didn't the clerk in the ticket office even acknowledge them?



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4536 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

Quoting Timetables (Thread starter):
The Amazing Race is now over and the final episode did not dissapoint at all. The Aviation Continuity sequences continued of course: http://amazingraceaviation.blogspot.com/.

Enjoy.

You must know my wife. She LIVES for that show.



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User currently onlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 5):
I am sure Rob and Amber were looked after as part of the deal.

I'm sure you are right - not only did Rob and Amber win many vacations, many teams did not when they came in first instead of Rob and Amber.
I'm sure Rob and Amber were very good for ratings.

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 13):
I saw what looked like a 737 leaving the gate, but when they were on the plane, (Shots of Rob and Amber) They were seated in a mid section of a wide body. Which mean they were on an Airbus 300-600.

caught that too - but at least they were both AA.
I personally like the LH 340 flying from Istanbul to Frankfurt.

Also, how did Amber get lost on the way to the leap? it looked as if the path was clearly marked.


25 FLY2LIM : OK, here are a few things to consider. First, you KNOW the producers were involved. Also, don't forget that these people travel with a HUGE CAMERA ne
26 Midex461 : I've worked as a gate agent, and I can tell you that that IS a TSA regulation (or at least that's what those of us on the bottom rung of the ladder w
27 UALFAson : Thanks for the clarification, Midex461. The way the rule was explained to me was simply that because of the stronger security screening for checked lu
28 Baw716 : I have serious issues with the events that played out at SJU at the gate when Uchenna/Joyce were allowed onboard after the aircraft had been closed fo
29 777STL : It's interesting though, in the scene where Uchenna and Joyce try to get on the flight to Miami, you see one gate agent give them a firm "No" but then
30 Richierich : Good assessment baw. I think something 'dirty' happened with the producers affecting the outcome of the show. Its probably happened before and we neve
31 MAH4546 : I am not denying the cameras had influence. When two people with two huge video cameras are begging to get onboard, they will. There is no doubt that
32 GoCOgo : Are things that different is Sweden? I want someone to give me an example of a flight being reopened for passengers not even on the standby list, who
33 LambertSTL777 : If they wouldn't have paid the fare, they would have been disqualified.. All debts have to be settled before crossing the finish line, or their debts
34 Garnetpalmetto : Did you notice what a favorable edit AA received? They constantly said "American" and constantly showed AA aircraft, AA personnel, and AA signage Erm.
35 MAH4546 : American Airlines is the official airline of the show. They have sponsored the show for about 2-3 seasons now.
36 Qqflyboy : I just played back the finale and the video they showed of a jetway leaving and then reattaching to the aircraft is indeed an A300. And, as mentioned
37 GoCOgo : Key word being "prior." They weren't a sponsor this time. Why would CBS treat them special when they apparently declined to be a sponsor this time? I
38 Cloudy : Producer interferance in the actual game would be a federal felony. The law states that in gameshows(and that is what most "reality" shows are, essent
39 Pictues : I doubt the producers did anything, I'm sure AA told their pilots if there is a chance for a team to get on then get them on the plane. It would be ve
40 SWADispatcher : Cloudy has the right idea. US gameshows do indeed fall under strict guidlines for tampering. This came about in the US due to the fixed gameshows of t
41 Post contains links NYCFlyer : how do you know that flight was late, and by 30 minutes? did I miss something? my question: when they were flying MBJ-SJU and they were going via MIA
42 777STL : I wouln't say the producers interfered with TAR in SJU. But I wouldn't be surprised if AA was influenced in some way indirectly in SJU. I wouldn't do
43 AKelley728 : You're right! It didn't hit me until you said it.
44 MAH4546 : Not prior, they still are. Even though this season Travelocity was the main sponsor, AA was still sponsoring this season. That and the fact that they
45 NYCFlyer : Also note that Uchenna and Joyce's cab driver was Hispanic, and when the driver asked a pedestrian where "King of the Havanas" was, he automatically
46 Timetables : Thanks guys for continuing the thread; what you are discussing here is the essence of the blog; It would be nice if they could just fill in the blanks
47 GoCOgo : Joyce and Uchenna didn't ask in Spanish, although their driver might have. (I don't recall). Did you hear either Joyce or Uchenna ask about "El Rey d
48 Post contains images LambertSTL777 : The flight had infact closed (the airline agents made that clear to them), but there was no jetway to be pulled back
49 GoCOgo : Sorry, I wans't paying that close of attention that episode. Too much work to be done. Anyway, I'll reiterate, I don't think they were cheating Rob an
50 Navairjax : Actually this season started in Long Beach and the first flights left from LAX (LAX-JFK-LIM on UA, LAX-MIA-LIM on AA), last season started and ended
51 Lemurs : As others have pointed out, many of you dismiss the power of cameras. Lets look at the facts as J&U ran up to the gate. One team with cameras has alre
52 FLAIRPORT : If I'm not mistaking, there have been times when teams were hours behind others, not necessarily due to planes, but for other reasons as well. That b
53 Timetables : you are correct; I stand corrected; so change Chicago to Los Angeles.
54 NYCFlyer : Uchenna and Joyce asked in English; their Hispanic cab driver then did the translation and asked an Hispanic pedestrian about "El Rey de los Habanos.
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