Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7577 posts, RR: 58 Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8238 times:
TAAG, Angola's flagship carrier, will order 3 B777s and 6 B737s for delivery in 2008. The deal was closed on a visit by Angola's President to the US. TAAG does not have cash for the operation, which will be financed by the Angolan Government. Currently TAAG operates 2 B743s and 5 732s.
Intothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 389 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8120 times:
Great news for Boeing.
Seems like Boeing is doing extremely well in orders this year, especially the 737, 777 and 787.
According to www.justplanes.com, Boeing has 390 orders this year, with this order that would be 399 orders for Boeing this year so far.
KC135TopBoom From United States, joined Jan 2005, 7579 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8104 times:
It sounds like they are replacing the B-743s and B-732, plus an additional wide body and narrow body. Is that correct?
Do you know which model B-777 and B-737 they will order?
Atmx2000 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 43 Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7913 times:
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 4): Rumoured some time ago, appears that those are 777-200ER (probably used ones) and 737-700. Problem is apparently still financing.
Where are they going to find used 200ERs? I don't think any are available.
ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
TR From Denmark, joined May 2001, 941 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7874 times:
Boeing Aircraft Trading has four used 777s for sale, two of which are ERs. Probably ex United. I guess Boeing could find an additional ER stading somewhere in the desert.
Atmx2000 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7833 times:
Quoting TR (Reply 6): Boeing Aircraft Trading has four used 777s for sale, two of which are ERs. Probably ex United. I guess Boeing could find an additional ER stading somewhere in the desert.
They are not from Boeing, but from Bristol Assosciates. Did these just become available, because I thought Air India had claimed all the 772ERs?
ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
TR From Denmark, joined May 2001, 941 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7745 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 7): They are not from Boeing, but from Bristol Assosciates. Did these just become available, because I thought Air India had claimed all the 772ERs?
You are correct Atmx2000. However they are offered for sale through Boeing.
Quoting 777ER (Reply 8): Does TAAG have a poor safety record, or am I wrong on this?
I don´t think their safety record is poor. But check out some of the sites about safety records.
Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7583 times:
Excellent news. Angola seems to be experiencing the most stable conditions for awhile with traffic to and from Luanda picking up for both business/oil and tourism purposes.
TAAG will find the 777 and 737-7 ideally suited to its routes. The 777 will provide an excellent service for Lisbon and Rio and the 737-7 ideal for intra-African routes.
Glad to see an African nation's carrier fighting back the competitors like AF and TP. More modern equipment and more peaceful times in Angola will mean good news for TAAG.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7190 times:
Hi!
That's indeed great news for TAAG. I think TAAG is doing the right thing ordering the 777 and the 737NG. The 777 will fit nicely in the long-haul network and it will have a great advantage over TAP A340! I really hope TAP starts really soon to review the long-haul equipment strategy otherwise it will start to lose market. The 737NG will be a natural choise for them.
I wonder how it will look the 777 with TAAG livery.
regards
Cornish From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2005, 8092 posts, RR: 61 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7150 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 8): Does TAAG have a poor safety record, or am I wrong on this?
I don't think they have a poor safety record.
But their reliability and bill paying is another matter......
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 7882 posts, RR: 63 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6800 times:
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I can say about the weekly flight to GIG: Always full or at least 90% as load factor. Due to engenieering services in Angola, Odebrecht (HQ in Rio) sends a lot of employees every week thru this flight as well as directors and managers.
If TAAG can improve services to/from Angola they probably can increase service to Latin America as Brazil set a higher priority for increasing trade with Africa. Seems they have a good cargo operation too.
That's the only airline flying only to GIG and not to GRU.
The777Man From United States, joined Jul 1999, 3706 posts, RR: 55 Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5606 times:
Great news! Please provide a link.
There are no ex-UA 777s available currently since they have all been taken up by Varig and Air-India. I'm fairly sure that these will be newly builds. Perhaps this order will be announced at the Paris Air Show.
BoeingFever777 From United States, joined Jul 2009, 133 posts, RR: 60 Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5350 times:
Great NEWS! Although can you provide a link please?
Quoting Starrion (Reply 14): In 98 they had 655 orders for the year. Looks like they're going to exceed that easily.
So Boeing has another 255 orders in the works? Who is to be the next carrier to place a large order with Boeing?
BA
QF
QR
LH
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Any ideas?
Eitherway glad Boeing is having a successful yr in sales. I'm sure Airbus will catch-up at Paris.
TAAG's interncontinental destinations are: LIS, GIG and CDG.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16): I can say about the weekly flight to GIG: Always full or at least 90% as load factor. Due to engenieering services in Angola, Odebrecht (HQ in Rio)
Interesting. Maybe with increased fleet flexibility (after delivery of the B777s) they could increase flights to GIG. RG already operated to LAD in the past. RG is responsible for the maintenance of TAAG's fleet.
Quoting CV990 (Reply 13): The 777 will fit nicely in the long-haul network and it will have a great advantage over TAP A340!
Why?
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10): Angola seems to be experiencing the most stable conditions for awhile with traffic to and from Luanda picking up for both business/oil and tourism purposes.
Well, on the other hand, I find it really sad that the Government of Angola, i.e. the population of Angola, will pay the bill for the new airplanes. I also think they could liberalise foreign airlines operations in LAD, which is severely restricted by the Angolan Government.
Columbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 342 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3793 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22): The 777 will fit nicely in the long-haul network and it will have a great advantage over TAP A340!
Why
Since no one seems to response to the question raised. Here are my 2 cents.
Well technically I am not in a position to comment but as a paying passenger the 777 is my preferred choice. For a start its landings are always as smooth as a falling feather. And in a service industry, the customer is king.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2390 times:
Hi!
When I flew last year TAP A340 I noticed that the airplane is getting quite old, and now that I've flew the 777 I must admit that TAP using the A340 and TAAG using the brand new 777 TAP will lose competition. The version that TAP is using is the 312 and whenever we like it or not TAP A340 have been used and abused with a big load of flights everyday. Regarding space and specially taking in mind that Angola is a place that normally the planes fly full the 777 will offer a better quality space than the A340, and I'm not even talking about IFE because I don't know if TAAG will order the 777 with that option, if yes then TAP is far behind than TAAG! Some people will say that IFE doesn't really matter but for me it is matter. 3 weeks ago I flew AMS/KIX with KL 777 and return on 744 and time passed quicker on the 777 than the 744!
I hope I cleared out my point, TAP needs seriously to reshape their long-haul fleet of A310-300 and the A340-300!
Regards
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7577 posts, RR: 58 Reply 25, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2115 times:
Quoting CV990 (Reply 24): and now that I've flew the 777 I must admit that TAP using the A340 and TAAG using the brand new 777 TAP will lose competition
I disagree.
Currently VARIG uses the B777 on GIG-GRU-LIS daily (B767/MD-11 on GIG-LIS), and TAP the A340 on LIS-GRU.
TAP is still very competitive using the A340 to GRU, although RG uses the B777. Of course, RG offers IFE on every single seat, even economy. But TP has an excellent product on Business class, with lie-flat angle seats.
I dont think that TAP's A340 are so old or could no compete with the B777s. Also, TAP does not have the Portuguese Government to go there and buy new airplanes, as Angola is doing - btw, TAP is now profitable because of its hard working new management team. In this way, it also need to be very careful on its fleet planning.
Honestly, I dont think TAP should fear competition from TAAG...TAP operates at a different level, offering onward Europen connection, membership in Star, excellent safety track regord, reliability, etc.
Rgs,
KL791 AMS-GRU
26 Leskova: So all the airlines flying B777s aren't doing what I, as customer, want - because I prefer the A340. Kind of removes the basis for your arguement...
27 Hardiwv: I totally subscribe to the post above by Leskova. One clear example is RG, which is using the B777 on a lot of routes, but service is pale to say the
28 2travel2know: Does the B737-700 has the range to fly from LAD to LIS, MAD, FCO, ATH, CAI, SSA, REC non-stop? Since is a twin-engine jet, doesn't the B777 have probl
29 Hardiwv: I dont think so. The distance is about the same of LAD-LIS. Anyone with the total miles? Rgs,
30 2travel2know: But in LAD GIG the flight is all over the Atlantic.
31 N1120A: No issue with LAD-GIG, it is within easy ETOPS 180 and actually within ETOPS 138. The distance is 3351nm, less than half the 772ER's over 7700nm rang
32 Dutchjet: If this news it true, its quite a step forward for TAAG - they will have a cutting edge fleet. Its one giant step from 732/743s to 73Gs/772ERs....I as
33 MAH4546: There is definitley demand for a weekly flight to Houston. Getting approval and Angola into Cat. I is another story. Great to see TAAG renew their fl
34 Hardiwv: Indeed, TAAG does not have a bad reputation both in Brazil and Portugal. It also seels a lot of its ticket on GIG-LAD to Brazilian infra-structure co
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