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User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5213 times:

Is it true that airlines don't allow (or frown upon at least!) their pilots to have beards as it prevents the oxygen mask fitting properly should the need arise???

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5111 times:

It is true..............


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5098 times:


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Ever Been to INDIA.  Smile
Some good Pilots are Sikh,& some good friends are Sikh too.
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MEL



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User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5085 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
Some good Pilots are Sikh,& some good friends are Sikh too.

I'm not trying to be clever or racist, just a old boy in the pub I know who used to fly for BA years ago told me.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5034 times:

With a beard, you will probably get a slightly worse fit, especially if the beard is well under the chin. However typically airline oxygen masks are used to dispense oxygen, not hold out tear gas. So a small leak is no biggie in these applications.


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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
With a beard, you will probably get a slightly worse fit, especially if the beard is well under the chin. However typically airline oxygen masks are used to dispense oxygen, not hold out tear gas. So a small leak is no biggie in these applications.

It should prevent smoke from entering the mask and it wouldn't be tight especially in pressure breathing.
I remember my first time to scuba dive and I had a mustache...the mask leaked like a sieve


User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Flying recently CSA ATR-42 our pilot had HUGE beard. I mean something sumular to ZZ Top (but not that long). That was the first pilot I've seen with the beard.

Rafal


User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Our airline (KE) allows small neatly trimmed beards. No major biggie - just not very common amongst pilots.


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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Hawk, thanks for those photos!

Drinkstrolley wasn't being clever or racist, he has a good point. As I too have never seen a (long) bearded pilot. I have only heard of Sikh pilots but then those could be Sikhs who are clean shaven (Such as it was the case with a Sikh relative of mine who was a pilot).

Lindy, that is interesting!



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User currently offlineGasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

There is another "bizarre but true" reason why, at least historically, pilots were discouraged from having beards. Back in the days before peanuts on aircraft were politically incorrect, it used to be common practice for pilots to munch on these things all the time. This would leave a peanut oil residue on the beard, and it was thought in an emergency situation where the oxygen masks were deployed that an oily beard + oxygen = fire risk!

How much of an actual risk was posed, we can only speculate.


User currently offlineZeekiel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

I remember reading a while back in the RAF policy regarding beards saying they have to be neatly trimmed in order for safety equipment to be fitted properly.

There is nothing wrong with a beard. I have one now in the mould of Carl Hayman, the All Black prop. The only grief this beard gives me is that it itches some times.

Cheers

Zeekiel

[Edited 2005-05-13 06:09:48]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 3):
I'm not trying to be clever or racist, just a old boy in the pub I know who used to fly for BA years ago told me.

Relax, I totally understand your question.  Smile

Quoting Gasman (Reply 9):
This would leave a peanut oil residue on the beard, and it was thought in an emergency situation where the oxygen masks were deployed that an oily beard + oxygen = fire risk!

Very Interesting point.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4538 times:
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Quoting Zeekiel (Reply 10):
I remember reading a while back in the RAF policy regarding beards saying they have to be neatly trimmed in order for safety equipment to be fitted properly.

Also more for maintaining the professional image of the airline and pilots. I've read some airlines' flight manuals and I've always read that mustaches and beards must be grown during their time off and must be fully grown in by the time they report back to work.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 12):
I've always read that mustaches and beards must be grown during their time off and must be fully grown in by the time they report back to work.

Thats what my Boss tells us out here.  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

It's not for the oxygen masks, it for smokehoods - the thing can't seal properly if one is a bearded leftie. BA's Sikh pilots and cabin crew get special dispensation I think, not only for their beards, but also for turbans - BA do a crew turban with a BA badge on.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

As long as there's no female pilots with beards  Wink


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User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

An aviation mag cover photo from 1993 I had in sight featured an AY MD-11 captain in the simulator with a (trimmed) whole beard and moustache.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 5):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
With a beard, you will probably get a slightly worse fit, especially if the beard is well under the chin. However typically airline oxygen masks are used to dispense oxygen, not hold out tear gas. So a small leak is no biggie in these applications.

It should prevent smoke from entering the mask and it wouldn't be tight especially in pressure breathing.
I remember my first time to scuba dive and I had a mustache...the mask leaked like a sieve

Well, when you scuba dive exterior pressure is higher, forcing water into a mask that is not tight. With an aviation mask, positive pressure can easily be achieved, keeping out the smoke despite some leaks.



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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 14):

Thats very accomodating and very interesting. I think Malaysia airlines has similar accomodation for their Sikh pilots (or maybe I am thinking of a wrong airliner here)

I know that my Sikh relative was given a lot of grief over his beard and turban in the US, spineless as he is (or maybe he just loved his career a lot), he gave up the turban and started shaving.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 18):
I know that my Sikh relative was given a lot of grief over his beard and turban in the US, spineless as he is (or maybe he just loved his career a lot), he gave up the turban and started shaving.

I know one that Started trimming his hair after a Dandruff problem troubled him a lot.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting Gasman (Reply 9):
This would leave a peanut oil residue on the beard, and it was thought in an emergency situation where the oxygen masks were deployed that an oily beard + oxygen = fire risk!

That's completely bizarre, if true! Peanut oil = extremely difficult to ignite casually. Oxygen concentrated + miniscule spark = inferno!

I wonder where the rationale behind that came from!



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