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BMI To Add More Longhaul Routes & Fleet Upgrade  
User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9371 times:

Does anyone know what routes will be added in the US?

He told reporters the airline had identified 14 other potential long-haul destinations including Hong Kong; Johannesburg and Cape Town in South Africa; Narita in Japan; and destinations in the United States.

Bishop told reporters the airline was in talks with aircraft manufacturers including Boeing and Airbus on possible fleet expansion. The airline has options to add to its existing fleet of three Airbus A330 aircraft.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1482894,00.html

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9357 times:

New slots at NRT are virtually impossible to obtain so it'll be interesting to see how that fizzles out.

Yes HKG-JNB-CPT are all viable options but in order to compete effectively with BA-VS-CX-SAA respectively on these routes, BMI has to fly minimum daily frequencies especially to HKG and JNB.

BMI should also look at cities where there is lots of demand but doesnt see any BA/VS service from LHR i.e LAHORE, Pakistan. PIA flies 4 weekly B 747s (3 B 743s and 1 B74M) LHE-LHR-LHE nonstop and has year round 85% load factors on these flights even in J class. And this figure doesnt include the 1000s too that fly EK/GF/QR/KU via Arabia to LHR. With BMIs extensive EU-UK and trans-atlantic network via UAL codeshare from LHR, a 4 weekly A 332 LHR-LHE-LHR flight would do very well guaranteed.

Does anyone believe that BMI would do well with 4-5 weekly A 332 flights to TEHRAN, IRAN nonstop from LHR. The reason why I say THR is because IR flies ageing B 747s with an average inflight product in all classes on this route and the Iranian community in Iran and UK have been asking for a long time for a reputable-good quality airline flying THR-LHR-THR nonstop.

BMI should too look at daily flights to BKK from LHR as its a big Star alliance hub and it can coordinate/interline with TG (both STAR carriers) on this route thus forming an effective competitor to BA and QF on this sector. There is year round high demand for both leisure and business between LHR and BKK whereby justiying additional capacity in the form of daily A 332 service especially since VS hasnt as yet ventured into Thailand as yet.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

They should forget about LHR and concentrate on expanding from MAN. Otherwise they are in danger of becoming another London Airways...errr BA.
 Wink



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9039 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
He told reporters the airline had identified 14 other potential long-haul destinations including Hong Kong; Johannesburg and Cape Town in South Africa; Narita in Japan; and destinations in the United States.



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 1):
New slots at NRT are virtually impossible to obtain so it'll be interesting to see how that fizzles out.

Yep - can't see the Japanese giving BD NRT slots ahead of other carriers, especially when there are already four carriers serving the direct UK-NRT market.

South Africa - I suspect it'll be a code share on SAA if they don't already. South African bilaterals are very restrictive to protect SAA. I can't see them allowing another UK carrier to compete on the market.

USA - well if they are going out of LHR they'll have to wait for a renegotiation of Bermuda 2 first. If it's out of MAN, why are they downgrading service to IAD already if they plan to expand. Not a good way to impress MAN customers.

HKG - again three carriers on the direct route - can't see it happening somehow.

Absolutely nothing concrete mentioned whatsoever - I think it's purely a "we are serious about long-haul out of LHR" speech on the eve of the launch of new service to India." I hope they make a success of long haul out of LHR, as their product is very good, but they will always end up getting the crumbs rahter than the prime traffic rights that would go to BA and VS ahead of them.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9009 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
South Africa - I suspect it'll be a code share on SAA if they don't already.

They actually do already.

** AMADEUS - TN ** JNB JOHANNESBURG.ZA 01JUN05 08JUN05
1SA:BD2505 D LHR 1 JNB A 1930 0730+1 0 07MAY05 31AUG05 744 11:00
2SA:BD2507 D LHR 1 JNB A 2130 0930+1 0 30APR05 12JUN05 744 11:00

This is good news, except for one thing. They are trying it on at LHR. If they would launch these routes from MAN instead, I think they would have a chance. The competition at LHR is too fierce for BD to stand snowball's chance. Incumbent carriers on these routes (many of them Star Alliance partners) will kill them.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8967 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
They should forget about LHR and concentrate on expanding from MAN. Otherwise they are in danger of becoming another London Airways...errr BA.



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
They are trying it on at LHR. If they would launch these routes from MAN instead,

Agreed - but I suspect their approach will be to try and fly passengers from MAN down to LHR to connect for long haul. Not realsing that this gives them no differentiation over BA, and if that's the case, they're going to lose out big time.

But as I said above - identifiying routes and actually getting the rights/decent number of flights for them is another matter. India is marvellous in theory - they got the rights, but only for a few flights, and then suddenly the market is getting filled with capacity because everyone else got new flights too....



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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8843 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
ecoming another London Airways...errr BA.

LOL. . . Ohhh come on - - - BA cant be that bad . . .


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8833 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 6):
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
ecoming another London Airways...errr BA.

LOL. . . Ohhh come on - - - BA cant be that bad . . .

Not for those of us in the Southeast of England  Silly



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User currently offlineJakob77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
HKG - again three carriers on the direct route - can't see it happening somehow.

Actually, there're 4 carriers now on HKG - LHR.
BA, CX, QF, and VS.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 6):
LOL. . . Ohhh come on - - - BA cant be that bad . . .

The only BA routes at MAN,NCL,GLA,EDI and ABZ are to LHR and LGW.
MAN has loads of CitiExpress routes including to JFK but they aint proper BA. NCL has no CitiExpress at all anymore, just the LHR and LGW flights. GLA has some CitiExpress flights as does EDI but these are domestic only (with CDG from EDI also I believe) and ABZ has LHR and LGW and very little BACX flights. BHX see's no mainline BA service, neither does LBA, CWL or MME. BRS is a CX base with 5 or 6 ERJ145s.

It really is that bad. Fortunatly LCCs have now entered these markets, so many people can now fly direct to the European continent without having to go through LHR or LGW  Smile
And with CO and EK expanding in the regions, no longer do people have to go through LGW and LHR for long haul flights  Smile
It's BA's loss I suppose though  Wink



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8782 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):

USA - well if they are going out of LHR they'll have to wait for a renegotiation of Bermuda 2 first. If it's out of MAN, why are they downgrading service to IAD already if they plan to expand. Not a good way to impress MAN customers.

Not downgraded as such, they took an ACMI lease on an aircraft until new capacity comes online of their own. There is a lot of crap talked about BD's MAN-IAD route and how the 757 will cost them huge numbers of passengers. The truth is that BD sell it as a MAN departure to a Washington gateway and the average business traveller is not as shallow as a sixteen year old who wants two hundred channel IFE and a wide cabin which looks pretty. The business traveller just wants to get there and Icelandair's aircraft are clean and comfortable.

The whisper is that BD are looking at MAN-LAX due to a certain American Airline dragging its feet over a long-rumoured service. LAS could also be a candidate for increased service.

My 'spies' within BD tell me that they are looking seriously at a 787 purchase due to that aircraft potentially being a better fit with certain routes. The A330 aircraft would then be freed up for expansion into India which is looking extremely promising.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8756 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
Absolutely nothing concrete mentioned whatsoever - I think it's purely a "we are serious about long-haul out of LHR" speech on the eve of the launch of new service to India

I agree - it's a very speculative, presumptious and arguably ambitious press release to try and make the 'less informed' think of BMI as a serious carrier with focus and a clear business plan. However the vast majority of us on here realise they are a lame duck.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 7):
Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 6):
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
ecoming another London Airways...errr BA.

LOL. . . Ohhh come on - - - BA cant be that bad . . .

Not for those of us in the Southeast of England

No - if you live within reasonable distance of LHR, BMI are a great ull service carrier - for now (see http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2105820 )

But BMI have shown total disregard for its Premium passengers at MAN by using this ridiculous FI 757 to satisfy the needs of it's London passengers at the detriment of it's established and loyal MAN passenger base. Hence, GKirks London Airways' comment being reasonably accurate!

7LBAC111



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 10):
ACMI lease on an aircraft until new capacity comes online of their own. There is a lot of crap talked about BD's MAN-IAD route and how the 757 will cost them huge numbers of passengers. The truth is that BD sell it as a MAN departure to a Washington gateway and the average business traveller is not as shallow as a sixteen year old who wants two hundred channel IFE and a wide cabin which looks pretty. The business traveller just wants to get there [..]

I second that opinion.
BTW is there any chance that MAN-IAD will be operated by an Icelandair B752 equipped with winglets?



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 12):
BTW is there any chance that MAN-IAD will be operated by an Icelandair B752 equipped with winglets?

I think there was another thread that said the FI aircraft is already at MAN painted in hybrid colurs - no mention of winglets.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 10):
Not downgraded as such, they took an ACMI lease on an aircraft until new capacity comes online of their own. There is a lot of crap talked about BD's MAN-IAD route and how the 757 will cost them huge numbers of passengers. The truth is that BD sell it as a MAN departure to a Washington gateway and the average business traveller is not as shallow as a sixteen year old who wants two hundred channel IFE and a wide cabin which looks pretty. The business traveller just wants to get there and Icelandair's aircraft are clean and comfortable.

Well I agree with your point about general business traveller needs - my issue is that moving to a smaller aircraft during the summer season suggests that loads weren't that strong (somebody confirm this). If they were then will there be a problem of not enough capacity to meet demand? Also BD had their premium economy cabin on the A330. Surely this was a popular option with some cost concious business travellers - I assume this option has now gone on the FI 757. Does this mean they'd travel in an economy seat instead now?

That sort of thing would matter to the business traveller IMO.



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User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
This is good news, except for one thing. They are trying it on at LHR. If they would launch these routes from MAN instead, I think they would have a chance. The competition at LHR is too fierce for BD to stand snowball's chance. Incumbent carriers on these routes (many of them Star Alliance partners) will kill them.

But then they should think of expanding shorthaul operations from MAN as now they don't have a lot of capacity, for example to the continent, to feed their longhaul flights. Not only UK citizens use UK as a transfer point, you know....

Regards,
LO231



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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

Everyone knocks BA and calls them London Airways but there must be a reason why they only operate one longhaul service outside of London, could it actually have something to with the fact that can't make any money out of these services and I wonder why BMI are busting a gut to try and get more longhaul services out of LHR nothing to with trying to make more money then it can out of MAN is it. Or should these private companies operate services just for the sake of providing a service and forget about actually trying to make money for their shareholders.


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8552 times:

I remember when I used to fly to Milan and Geneva from MAN and it was mainline on a Bac1-11 and then the 732 now they are BA Citiexpress and ERJ145s which are full months in advance. I can never get a seat on BA Citiexpress from MAN-Europe thay are always full, thats what you get replacing a 120 seat aircraft with a 49 seat one!!

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8496 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 16):
I remember when I used to fly to Milan and Geneva from MAN and it was mainline on a Bac1-11 and then the 732 now they are BA Citiexpress and ERJ145s which are full months in advance. I can never get a seat on BA Citiexpress from MAN-Europe thay are always full, thats what you get replacing a 120 seat aircraft with a 49 seat one!!

And what has this got to do with BMI's longhaul strategy from LHR?  confused 



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8475 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 17):
And what has this got to do with BMI's longhaul strategy from LHR?

Absolutely nothing, some people just like to have every opportunity to knock BA for not having more service from MAN and this discussion is adequate cause it involves MAN, even though it is in relation to BD.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8444 times:

I like BA, I prefer to fly them just cant help getting angry everytime I try to book a flight from MAN and they are full up months in advance because they insist on replacing 732s with 49 seaters!

User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

If there is some modifying of that damn Bermuda II I'd love to see BD fly here in to SEA. British make an absolute KILLING on this flight now that United no longer serves the route. Dailly 744 serivce, constantly full and if like in years past, we'll probably see a an 3x weekly serive with a 777 or even 763ER like has been done before. I think it be a great place for BD to get into.

User currently offlineFlighttime From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 19):
I like BA, I prefer to fly them just cant help getting angry everytime I try to book a flight from MAN and they are full up months in advance because they insist on replacing 732s with 49 seaters!

Which perhaps helps BA to keep prices high, thus turning a profit?


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8048 times:
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Quoting Orion737 (Reply 16):
I remember when I used to fly to Milan and Geneva from MAN and it was mainline on a Bac1-11 and then the 732 now they are BA Citiexpress and ERJ145s which are full months in advance. I can never get a seat on BA Citiexpress from MAN-Europe thay are always full, thats what you get replacing a 120 seat aircraft with a 49 seat one!!

The BAC1-11s seated 99 and the B737-200s seated a maximum of 106 with all rows in 6 abreast configuration, on typical European routes there tended to be 4-5 rows of Club which puts capacity at 101. The B737-500 which is the last type BAR based at Manchester seated a maximum of 110, go average capacity would have been around 105.

The Geneva route was formerly served daily by 732/735 with around 105 seats available, ever since it was transferred to a BA CitiExpress they have opffered a twice daily ERJ-145 with a daily capacity of 98 seats. A net reduction of 7 seats per day.

On the Milan route BAR used to fly twice daily 732/735 aircraft, and for a few years this was supplemented by an evening ERJ-145. Since BA CitiExpress took over a twice daily 110-seat BAE RJ100 has been maintained, plus Alitalia now offer twice daily A319/MD-80 flights on the route.

On both the routes you mention capacity has been virtually unchanged by the transition from BAR to BACX...

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

Seems that foreign carriers are better at exploiting MAN than UK based. So maybe EK, SQ, QR should show BMI/BA how it is done?

The 757 on IAD is stupid, don't care if you are a business person, or someone going to Disney. An Icelandic 757 is not a BMI 332. I have stopped using it, next two trips to MAN are with US.


User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7987 times:

could bmi operate MAN - Jo'Burg or Cape Town?


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25 JGPH1A : Depends on the SA-UK bilateral, but in theory why not ? SA used to operate to MAN via ORY in the late 80's (IIRC), but it wasn't for very long. Fligh
26 BA380 : that sounds like a good option for them then...
27 Gofly : I thought that since they have spent so long making their fleet all Airbus, this would be the last road they would want to go down. If the 787 does f
28 Travelin man : I would think that given its Star Alliance affiliation, its target long-haul routes for the US would be to LAX and/or SFO. Given there are now 9x dail
29 EIRules : I heard that BD have applied for a number of the governement backed irish provincial routes. Most notably they have applied for Kerry - DUB which has
30 Soups : BD should launch service to Accra, Lagos, Freetown, Kano. good money there
31 Cloud4000 : Before BMI expands it needs to get a hold of more aircraft? I know they'll order more aircraft, but will they lease for the short-term? And are there
32 Uka330 : BMI will soon be taking delivery of their 4th A330. This one is from Emirates, reg A6-EAS, and will become G-WWBC. Could we possibly see an A350 order
33 B742 : Would there be enough demand for a new MAN-BKK-MAN route in codeshare with TG? I would also like to see LHR-HKG and LHR-CPT Rob!
34 7LBAC111 : You'd think!! But alas, not BMI. YOu see they still think it viable to operate the F100, the ERJ, and, lo and behold - the ATR42. That, I believe was
35 David_itl : In the Manchester Evening News's list of 8 routes* MAN is attempting to attract, the paper claims that MAN is stating that 100,000 pax travel to BKK
36 Behramjee : A week ago, I read on A.Net over here that EK were crying about having lack of aircraft to fuel expansion hence the start delay of GVA flights and no
37 Dutchjet : Concerning BMI's 4th A332 - wasnt a fourth aircraft built as part of the original BMI order for the type, but BMI did not take delivery and the aircra
38 Post contains links and images JoyA380B747 : BMI has 4x weekly flights to BOM from this Saturday(14th). Is there any hope of BMI adding a DEL MAA or BLR 3x weekly to make it daily to India. I lov
39 BA757 : MAN-EWR or MAN-JFK? Would this not be possible? I know it would be hard for BD to take on BA & CO on these routes, but I am pretty sure it would be su
40 Post contains images N1120A : I guess British Airways (via BMed) doesn't qualify as a reputable-good quality airline? I realize Iranair's 747SPs are old, but they are in excellent
41 Georgiabill : Perhaps BMI should consider Man-Bos, Man-SFO,Man-LAX and MAN-MIA. Why should they compete with BA,AA,UA or VS out of LHR when MAN could be developed a
42 Dutchjet : Why doesn't BMI fly the above-mentioned routes, such as MAN to SEA, LAX, SFO, MIA or BOS, its because BMI wants to operate longhaul services out of HE
43 Gkirk : E.G BMI may as well be called London Airways
44 Behramjee : BMIs A 330-200s will make a lot of money flying nonstop from LHR to Lahore 4-5 times a week. The connections that it can conveniently offer from LHR t
45 B742 : I thought Bmi were getting a/some A340-300's? Rob!
46 David_itl : Not quite true - they had 3 plans, all based on their initial routes operating to the States: (a) LHR only (b) dual LHR/MAN launch (c) MAN launch onl
47 Behramjee : That was just a rumor ppl started on this website last year when BMI was dead serious on wanting to start LHR-South Africa nonstop flights and many u
48 Jaysit : How is the Bombay service doing? What do advance bookings look like, especially since BMI has no brand recognition in India?
49 BestWestern : Its amazing how spin on a press release gets 50 responses on Airliners.net BMI isnt getting a 4th A330 BMI isnt getting the 787 BMI isnt expanding at
50 BA380 : The more I think about it, the more sense there is in some long haul expansion at MAN - routes as discussed elsewhere, like LAX would make sense, part
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