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US Airways And America West To Merge  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14445 times:
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US Airways and America West to merge, industry analysts have said. Spokesmen for both airlines have not confirmed nor denied the merge.

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/business/11633042.htm

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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14406 times:

I hope it does happen as consolidation is sorely needed right now.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14392 times:

It does seem a deal is getting closer and closer.

ALPA national this week meet with and was briefed regarding a potential deal. Union has accordingly started the ball rolling by starting to form a merger committee and assigning legal counsel.



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14365 times:

Which carrier takes the name with the merge?


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14316 times:
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Quoting Lehpron (Reply 3):
Which carrier takes the name with the merge?

Most likly part of both airlines names will be put together to form the new airlines name, like US America Airways or America US Airways


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14310 times:

Which carrier takes the name with the merge?

Pretty sure they will take the USAirways name...America West will be dropped. A little like when ValueJet purchased AirTran but then retained the AirTran name because it was more "well" known.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14300 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 3):
Which carrier takes the name with the merge?

If it´s a merger on equal parts: "US West" ?
But that might be not a good name when trying to attract pax from outside the U.S. as people might think "Oh, they fly only in the West of the U.S." ... Reminds me of the rebranding from "British Midland" to (finally - as of now) "bmi"  Wink

Looking from a greater perspective (i.e. from outside the U.S./ being non-biased as I´ve used them both several times) I think branding as "US Airways" would be the best choice in the long term.

Comments?

Holger



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
Pretty sure they will take the USAirways name...America West will be dropped. A little like when ValueJet purchased AirTran but then retained the AirTran name because it was more "well" known



Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Most likly part of both airlines names will be put together to form the new airlines name, like US America Airways or America US Airways

Thanks for the quick reply dudes. "US Westways" (westwards) could have been funnier though.  Smile



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12905 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14296 times:
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Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
A little like when ValueJet purchased AirTran but then retained the AirTran name because it was more "well" known.

Ummm... More like the Valujet name had negative value at the time...

On topic: I believe IF this happens, the US air name will be kept. But I keep reading threads on this merger and just don't believe it will happen. Where is the value for America West? US air is losing money too quickly for the little cash that America West possesses to stem the tide.

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14245 times:

Quoting Kevin P. Mitchell doesn't convince me that the rumors are true. Why would America West, who are breaking even IIRC, want to merge with US Air?

I agree with those who expect that, should such a merger occur, that the name would probably be US Air(ways). The post-merger airline would want to remain in the Star Alliance and US Air is a better name from a marketing perspective.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14242 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 6):
I think branding as "US Airways" would be the best choice in the long term.

Perhaps - but outside of the USA, the fact that US are in dire straights financially might hinder use of this name.?

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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14112 times:

General public already associates US Airways=Financial losses;shaky investment...etc...

My point is that if they are to merge and adopt its name, people in the general public who do not involve themselves as deeply into aviation news as we do, might still have that same negavite view with the name US Airways and then will opt not to fly them, causing a very negative effect for both merging parties...it's like sleeping with someone that has the flu, you're bound to catch it.  Wink
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User currently offlineMDL21483 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13975 times:

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 11):
General public already associates US Airways=Financial losses;shaky investment...etc...

I dont think that at all. To me I associate US with a survivor. They've survived long enough already and in my opinion have earned their place as a mainstay. Now the management may be a different story, but the employees, the support workers, the airline in general is still a good airline. I'd rather fly on a battle born survivor than a backstabbing silver bullet. I'll prolly always be upset with what AA did to all those TW workers after the merger.

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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13888 times:

the beginning of the end for America West???


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13776 times:

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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13743 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
My FLightFund miles?

... should be converted into the new system. At least that´s what AF and KL did when they "merged", with the new FF-programm becoming active 06-JUn-2005 IIRC.



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User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13707 times:

Quoting MDL21483 (Reply 12):
dont think that at all. To me I associate US with a survivor. They've survived long enough already and in my opinion have earned their place as a mainstay. Now the management may be a different story, but the employees, the support workers, the airline in general is still a good airline. I'd rather fly on a battle born survivor than a backstabbing silver bullet. I'll prolly always be upset with what AA did to all those TW workers after the merger.

~Melanie~

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User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13685 times:

In my opinion, I don't like it.
First of all, HP is doing well and hasa thing going for them. If they turn into USAirways, I don't think it will work for them. On the other side, if USAirways turns into America West, it might be confusing.

Flipping the coin, both airlines need presence on the other coast, so that would be good.

I just think it will turn out to be too complicated, to established carriers merging. Unless fares go down here at FLL, I will not be too happy with this.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13666 times:

Can anyone explain to me the benefits of such a merger?

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13665 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 3):
Which carrier takes the name with the merge?

According to what I read this am, the name will likely remain US Airways as they are better known, but America West would be the holding company.

US Airways is better known, but I'm not sure if they are better known in a good way or a bad way...



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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

If this all goes through, HP would be part of Star Alliance - a great thing for the airline and its frequent flier customers.

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13562 times:

Here's a link from AZ Central concerning PAR, a major shareholder of HP and other airlines. Looks like they are interested in the deal.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/0513amwest.html


User currently offlineRichardnhsv From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13536 times:

According to all the "buzz", the merger will retain the US Airways brand due to a better recognition on international routes. America West will be the administrative part, US Airways will do the flying. I have heard that the two companies have everything prepared and are to present their proposal to the boards of each company on Tuesday, May 17. It's important to note that "ALL" this information is just speculative as both companies have indicated. They both have confirmed merger talks and they both have said that no other announcements will be made until it goes through or not. Just my two cents worth... we'll see. Being a Piedmont Airlines employee, all this is extremely important to me.


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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13461 times:

like some others in this thread, I don't see whats in this for HP...maybe access to Intl Trans-Atlantic routes?...trying to merge the 2 workforces should be a treat, since HP is mostly non-union and US is one of the most unionized carriers. Big differences in corporate philosophy...what are they going to do about the hubs? PHX,LAS,PHL,CLT seems like a bit too much for an airline of this size...seems like a lot of potential trouble getting this to work, and neither carrier needs any more problems...

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13398 times:

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 23):
since HP is mostly non-union and US is one of the most unionized carriers.

I thought HP is heavily unionized?


25 Junction : HP is now heavily unionized. Pilots, F/As, Mechanics, ground staff, and possibly even reservations by now are all part of union groups. Originally th
26 PlanesNTrains : I think the benefits from a breadth-of-service aspect are obvious - both have gaping holes in their route systems in the US that the other is a natur
27 Drerx7 : So this new carrier will have corporate HQ in Phoenix or Arlington? Any idea of what the fleet will be composed of?
28 DrupyUSE : As an employee of Piedmont I'm naturally curious how a potential merger would affect the express division of US. Can anyone tell me what HP's regional
29 Laxtwin : The Phoenix newspaper reported the headquarters will remain in AZ.
30 DrupyUSE : Also, does HP use SABRE?
31 Ti717 : HP regional = Mesa(CRJ9, CRJ7, CRJ, DH8 and BE1)
32 Flyboyaz : No we use SHARES, just like CO. It's a pretty good system, we actually use a Windows based interface which makes it easier to use than native SHARES.
33 Cactus739 : Like the other 5 running threads on this, it is only pure 100% speculation on behalf of people on here. The *ONLY* thing that is known to be known, i
34 AussieItaliano : If they do merge, the best idea might be to come up with a new name.
35 Cltguy : Do you think that CLT will remain the largest Hub in the combined HP/US system? There are rumors that the new holding company might have its HQ in Cha
36 Post contains links Asteriskceo : "The leader of union pilots at America West Airlines stepped down late last week in the midst of merger talks between the Tempe carrier and bankrupt U
37 Danny : Apart from the merger idea - do they have any business plan? Any idea what to do after the merger? The problems will not fade away.
38 MDL21483 : Oh that would be such a sight to see the HA 763's doing long hauls to BWI and PHL! :P Quite Welcome! I just hope that if the alleged merger yields a
39 UALramperORD : lets just hope it goes more smooth than the AA/TW merger. What they should do is merge the seniority list, not staple the smaller airline to the botto
40 Post contains images SBN580 : Precisely!
41 Flick70 : I know this is minor part of the merger...but does anyone think that part of the merger would involve some re-branding? Specifically, a new livery?
42 Highliner2 : AA/TW was NOT a merger, AA bought a bankrupt and dying TWA. They were under no obligation to merge the seniority list (doesn't necessarily mean that w
43 Slider : My point exactly. I asked earlier in this thread what exactly is the benefit of this merger? To date, no one's offered an answer. Too keyed up worryi
44 Post contains images Laxtwin : How would we know what the business plan is going to be when neither party is offering any info? I am thinking that might be announced if a merger is
45 Post contains images Tockeyhockey : that's a good one!
46 Whlinder : The new name will be 'Financially Troubled US Airways' or 'Struggling US Airways.' Right now it is 'Bankrupt US Airways', at least every time I see or
47 United737522 : So, what will happen with Star Alliance, obviously it will be dropped by US, or picked up by HP.
48 Kaitak : So, HP is just about breaking even and they're strategy is to merge with the walking dead? What did their shareholders think about this? I'll tell you
49 Dhefty : The benefits, in my view, accrue only to US Airways, not to HP. I think this ploy is a classic example of Rope-a-Dope. US Airways should be allowed t
50 Gigneil : US West is a registered trademark of Qwest Communications, and is a poor choice in name for a brand new nationwide airline. The "general public" has
51 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: The Indianapolis Star Experts Say US Airways Deal Is Near http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...=/20050513/BUSINESS/505130440/1003
52 PanAm330 : I hope it's safe to assume that one or more hubs will be closed if/when HP and US merge. I'd guess that PIT will see it's final pull-down to hub only
53 ToTheStars : Wrong...There was no TWA liquidation....Bankruptcy was prepackaged by AA as a condition of the "acquisition." Regardless I wished they would have pas
54 Indy : PanAm330, My guess is PHL will keep its hub as well it should. Of PHL, PIT and CLT it is the best market with the greatest O/D to feed off of. You wil
55 Gigneil : CLT couldn't possibly be reduced to a focus city. It will leave the Southeast uncovered, and is presently US' largest hub. N
56 Indy : You have to look at how profitable the market is. How big is the local market and what kind of traffic can it sustain. The real money is made serving
57 PlanesNTrains : I don't really see a need to close anything, though PIT would probably be the logical one to go if any do. I don't believe that PHL, CLT, PHX, or LAS
58 Indy : In case there is any doubt as to who will stay and who will go here is the metro population numbers for the mentioned cities. (1996 estimates) #6 Phil
59 HPRamper : I work ramp for HP and of course I've heard a lot of talk about this recently. First of all, the new countrywide network that will be created would ri
60 LGA777 : I have a question for HPRamper or any other HP folks on here. I know HP has its own ramp people in PHX and LAS, and I am under the impression it is co
61 UAL-Fan : I really like America West and hate to see this happen to a fairly decent airline.
62 Cltguy : In case there is any doubt that your logic is flawed consider these facts: -2004 Metro Charlotte population is 2.1 million -CLT has been a large hub
63 Post contains links Indy : Even IF it has grown from 1.32 in 1996 to 2.1 million in 2004 it is still smaller than PIT and significantly smaller than PHL. Profitable? Last I che
64 CORULEZ05 : wouldn't it make more sense for US to merge with a legacy carrier not a carrier like America West? I mean, what is the real benefit here??? I really h
65 Ryefly : CLT will be fine if there is a merger. In fact I bet they increase service in and out of CLT. If you have a correctly run airline, CLT has proven to b
66 AirbusBoeing : What about the frequent flier miles. I have more than 25000 on US Airways. Does a merger affect the miles?
67 Flyboyaz : We actually employ most of our own frontline employees. There are a few stations like in Canada and Mexico where we contract out, but most domestic c
68 HT : I know its a long thread by now, but see replies 14 and 15 for this topic. Holger
69 Av8rPHX : There are still a few cities however that are under the synergy program with CO. Good luck with those CO folks in MEM that handle our MEMPHX flights i
70 Aa777flyer : Hows this for a possibility....Richard Branson is a major investor in the new airline and organization. Boom! Instant Virgin USA??? Just a thought.
71 HPRamper : "have a question for HPRamper or any other HP folks on here. I know HP has its own ramp people in PHX and LAS, and I am under the impression it is con
72 Flyboyaz : I have always thought this would be an excellent idea. From what I hear the Virgin America program is having some issues with start up. It would be a
73 Post contains links Squirrel83 : Interesting if it really does happen this fast. The plan could be wrapped up in time for an America West board meeting on May 17, which if im not corr
74 Squirrel83 : Holy Crap its out of the box . . although HP is not going to merge nor sell to Richard rumors have been that they will be an very close code-share. .
75 Post contains links Jmc1975 : You're thinking of thinking of Virgin America, which is an interesting possibility for two reasons. 1) Jon Ornstein of Mesa Airlines and Richard Bran
76 LGA777 : Thanks HPRamper and flyboyaz for the update, I did not realize that HP did it's own ramp in so many stations, that's GREAT news as I am not a fan of c
77 Stirling : Virgin America.....hmm. Makes sense. Technically, America West has more longevity in the marketplace than US Airways... Virgin America assumes no bagg
78 Mariner : Hmmm? There would be close to a couple of billion bucks worth of debt. Who would assume that baggage? cheers mariner
79 Stirling : Sorry Mariner for not making myself more clear. I meant strictly in the marketing sense. Virgin America would be seen as a new entity by the majority
80 Muddydwagon : And remember that HP joined the Charlotte chamber of commerce just a few months back. On the Virgin American website states ther base of operations wi
81 777ER : And US Airways but the start of a fresh new airline
82 Flyorski : The advantage would, most likely, be with the new airline as a larger carrier, so as to better compete with Southwest. I read this in a local paper i
83 SkyexRamper : I've got a suggestion for a name: "Last Ditch Effort to Escape the Desert"
84 HPRamper : Actually the new airline would be bigger than Southwest, it would replace WN as the 6th largest carrier in the United States.
85 Indy : Did HP ever fix their delay problems? Last time my wife flew then was pre 9/11 and their delays were bad. Her flight was like 5 hours late. She was fl
86 Flyboyaz : Yeah Indy that's old news...thankfully things are WAY better now. Mesa had similiar ops last year and dragged our name through the mud again. They see
87 Indy : HP had some pretty rough times. Gotta admire them for pulling through it and improving. I completely wish them the best of luck with the US merger. I
88 Skymileman : The two carriers' fleets and route networks compliment each other nicely, but they both have some of the worst management on the planet. I say merge t
89 Flyboyaz : Well I can agree on the US part of that...but HP has got some of the best leaders goin buddy! They are well known for their business knowledge and su
90 Jetdeltamsy : ValuJet was much larger and better known than AirTran. ValuJet was desperate to disassociate itself with its past...i.e. the crash in the everglades.
91 HPRamper : Yes, in fact we've beaten goals for the past few months, everyone gets $50 checks. heh.
92 Sydscott : A question about DCA. When AA took TWA over they had to give up the LAX-DCA slots. They went to Alaska didn't they??? Is there a danger that the same
93 777ER : Every airline will have problems and are not perfect airlines
94 Post contains images Co757 : Combined they may be bigger, But a lot BROKER
95 Indy : Yes all airlines will have hard times. But they will be judged on how they handle the hard times. Some airlines like HP respond in a positive way. Oth
96 Richardnhsv : From what I understand and have heard... "IF" the merger takes place, the US brand will be retained because of its higher profile and international ma
97 PhoenixX2 : I have a feeling that this merger will be done a lot different than any other in the past. Parker (HP) is not a rookie. He was the one that the other
98 Co757 : Hp should respond by Expanding on thier own, Order planes add to thier Network. Don't take on Debt and Drama. They made money this Quarter. Half of w
99 Post contains links Justapassenger : According to the article below, PhoenixX2 (reply 97) seems to be right. HP will code share until US is in acceptable shape http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/050
100 BNE : This is going to end up in a big mess. Has a merger of two airlines ever run smoothly and made money for the new entity. What is America West going to
101 LTBEWR : Probably the DCA-LGA-BOS shuttle is the most profitable part of the deal. The result of this deal would probably be an 'dumbell' route map, that is st
102 SHUPirate1 : Quite likely. With three nonstop flights to Phoenix and one to Las Vegas, America West is the largest beyond-perimeter slotholder at Washington-Natio
103 Adam727 : After reading this forum it seems like that America west is getting the bad deal. I think since America West is coming back strong and expanding there
104 777ER : Would HP want to buy US considering they are bankrupt and HP would then have all of US burden on them? Better to merge then buy US
105 Flyboyaz : No, no, and no again. We are not buying anyone....and even if that happened we would not use our own money to do it. They are looking to merge with o
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