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So When Does Southwest Start Memphis?  
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4689 times:

So when does Southwest start Memphis?

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/stor...5BF340-A2FC-4517-AC04-E0446C043BBA

Mentions Southwest and Memphis in the same breath.

Memphis historically has high airfares. Suppose Northwest will oppose Southwest’s fight to remove the regulatory Wright Amendment?

And I heard a rumor that Southwest is eyeballing gates at Shelby. And now the article – coincidence?

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4640 times:
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I believe there are bigger fish to fry then MEM right now.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4623 times:

That article is all speculation, no substance at all. Some wishful thinking from the media that the Wright Amendent elimination would suddenly start service to MEM. In fact it would probably have the reverse effect and now WN would reallocate aircraft to fly to current destinations that cannot serve from DAL, not immediately opening up new stations.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4597 times:

MEM=BNA! WN would LUV to fly DAL-BNA, and in order to rustle up some support for the elimination of Wright are dangling the carrot of WN service to MEM, but they really mean the state of Tennessee, ie: BNA.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4573 times:

Too bad WN can't open up a new airport on the Arkansas side of the Mississippi river (or the Mississippi side for that matter)...then they could fly out of DAL to the Memphis area all they wanted.

I wonder how many people drive to LIT from MEM to catch WN.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4562 times:

The lack of WN service to MEM is like a big hole in the WN network. MEM is one of the few remaining cities in the mid-south not to receive WN service.

With tons of gate capacity and under-utilized runways, MEM would seem to be a sure bet for WN.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
Too bad WN can't open up a new airport on the Arkansas side of the Mississippi river

You mean like using AWM? I've seen people suggest that facility before as a way for WN to servce Memphis from DAL. The runway is 6000 feet but I don't think the airport has the terminal facilities needed.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAWM



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User currently onlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4565 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
I believe there are bigger fish to fry then MEM right now.

I would have to agree. I was looking at metro areas for another topic and I still had the page open so I thought I would add a reason why WN wouldn't be in a big rush.

Memphis is the 42nd ranked metro area in the US with a population of 1.08 million. While I am sure WN will eventually fly to MEM simply because it is a top 50 market I don't know if it is big enough to make them put alot of effort in to it. WN seems to have its focus on big markets right now like MDW, DFW and PHL.



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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

West Memphis, Ar, just across the river, has been metioned in years past as an alternative to MEM. There is no scheduled air service to West Memphis, mainly crop dusters. People drive or take the "Bette Bus" to Little Rock and Nashville to catch Southwest flights all the time. There has been speculation and outcrys from residents of MEM for years. Memphis Airport Authority always replies that Memphis has a premium airline and premium service at premium prices. I fly Delta.

User currently onlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4565 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

That is a very tough call. Do you bring in WN and risk NW moving out because of it and lose all those NS routes that NW flies out of MEM just to save some money on a ticket? I guess it boils down to what is more important. Savings on a ticket or NS service.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

And, just to mention...ABC 24/UPN 30 are the 4th and 5th rated newscasts in Memphis. It's sweeps weeks and they are trying to get viewers. Southwest has been a hot topic in Memphis for years. It draws attention when a station opens with "Southwest may be coming!" One of the other stations did a survey not long ago and asked people if they'd rather the service NW gives or cheaper airfares on WN. NW won out. They have become the hometown airline and NW continues to add destinations. There is a pride factor being a hub with several international nonstops. MEM just celebrated 10 years to Amsterdam.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

The article implies that WN would go to MEM if they could fly to DAL.
If the Wright Amendment is lifted, I highly doubt you would see WN quickly jump into MEM. In fact it would change a lot of their priorities.
You'd see WN open routes from DAL to MDW, PHL, MHT, BWI, RDU, TPA, LAX, SLC, MCI, MCO, OAK, ONT, SAN, SJC, etc.

Thus there are many bigger fish to fry should WN be able to fly to wherever they want from DAL than starting service to MEM.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 11):
NW won out.

Did they survey those Memphis residents who drive to lower fares in Little Rock and Nashville?

Southwest will win out over time with reasonable fares, no gouging change fees, ability to change names on reservations, and their no BS attitude among numerous other things.

BTW – I just checked AA’s one way walk up fare DFW-MEM. Its $489 for a 1.5 hour flight. Say Wright is repealed and Southwest does start Memphis. Think it will change? Me thinks so. Even AirTran’s fare is a tolerable $219, albeit connecting in Atlanta.

Its pure speculation, I just wanted to get some dialogue started on the issue. Thank you to all who have contributed so far.


User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

The survery was done sometime ago and I don't remember the station. I bet it was during sweeps weeks! Memphis is served by AirTran and AmericaWest, 2 discounters. Memphis has close to 20 flights a day to Atlanta and neither Delta nor Northwest has pushed out AirTran. Dunno. NW will fight WN. Interesting to note...Tunica, the 3rd largest gaming hub just an hour south of MEM, now has a runway capable of landing 737s. Hmmmm....

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 14):
Tunica, the 3rd largest gaming hub just an hour south of MEM, now has a runway capable of landing 737s. Hmmmm....

plus, it's in Mississippi.



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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Double up on the "hmmmmmmmm...." I didn't think about that. There are many charters into Memphis on the weekends just to gamble in Tunica!

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

The trouble is, most of Southwests new aircraft are spoken for in the next few years. They will expand in Philledelphia and out of Chicago Midway. These will be huge expansions, with many long-haul flights.


They do keep mentioning that there will be one new city this year. I'd be very surprised if that new city is Memphis. Memphis would be a good opportunity if Northwest was in the same financial state as Usair is now. Southwest does not usually look to fill holes in its network. It seeks the best opportunities wherever they are. More recently, they have been influenced by the need to preempt Jetblue and Airtran. Both their entrance into Philidelphia and their codeshare with ATA (which got them some all-important Midway gates) were done for this purpose.

IN SHORT.... If WN does indeed enter a new city this year it will be either CLT or someplace like Fresno or Colorado Springs. They won't go for Memphis unless Northwest gets so weak they can't fight back.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 17):
or someplace like Fresno

It would be nice but I think we'll be seeing WN focused on the CLT and some of the other major cities in the eastern half of the US for the next year or so.

Then again, a HP/US merger could also make WN think about going after cities in the West where HP is strong. Hhhhmmmmm, so maaayyyybeeee.  pray 



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

As I said in the other thread....

...the biggest thing MEM could ~EVER~ do to royally f^ck up its level of aerial services, would be to usher WN in at the expense of NW.




Yes they'd get cheaper fares, and yes Joe Family & Wife might save a hundred bucks of so on their annual trip to MCO...... but that city could then forever forget about ever having nonstop service to Mexico, the Carribean, Europe, and most significant USA business markets ever again.


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19):
but that city could then forever forget about ever having nonstop service to Mexico, the Carribean, Europe, and most significant USA business markets ever again.

There is currently no non-stop service from MEM to the Carrribean or Mexico.

Also, the lone European flight is a single DC10 to AMS.

A single flight to AMS is not justification for the entire city of MEM to pay exhorborantly high fares and have to drive to LIT or BNA to avoid being price gouged.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 20):
There is currently no non-stop service from MEM to the Carrribean or Mexico.

When did they discontinue the CUN and MBJ flights?? Don't keep up with the MEM schedule much these days, used to fly thru there quite often..

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 20):
A single flight to AMS is not justification for the entire city of MEM to pay exhorborantly high fares and have to drive to LIT or BNA to avoid being price gouged.

Maybe not that single flight to AMS, but those N/S flights to the major business centers I would bet are, even if a lot of it is on smaller regional jets..


User currently offlineTxagkuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

You really want to know what Memphis would look like if Southwest were there?

Look at Nashville or Kansas City.

Neither of those cities have had to put up "going out of business" sale signs due to not being a hub/having a large WN presence.

International flights? That's already been covered. One per day to Amsterdam.

Major business centers? Southwest will gladly carry folks to Chicago, South Florida, Dallas (assuming WA goes away), Houston, KC, St Louis, Phoenix, they blanket the west coast, and the Washington DC area. You can get to the Boston area, you can get to Philadelphia, you can get to Pittsburgh.

The carriers flying from Memphis to NYC are not going to discontinue service because WN has a flight or connection to Long Island.

If you are addicted to O'Hare, DCA, BOS, or ATL.....there will still be carriers to fly you those places.

I doubt that NW would close up their hub due to the arrival of Southwest. By their own admission, the bulk of the traffic at their Memphis hub is all connecting stuff....not a whole lot of O&D.

Southwest never gets in to the connecting stuff anyway...all their business, for the most part, is O&D.

Folks have said there is insufficient O&D at Memphis to get anything better than the air service they currently have.

One reason the O&D is so woefully insufficient is that the prices are so high. Lower walk up fares stimulate additional traffic, lots of it.

BTW in addition to AWM (West Memphis) another really neat airfield on the outskirts is Olive Branch, Mississippi. It is right over by the suburbs of Memphis where people have quite a bit of money and spend a chunk of it flying around. The downside is the airport and the infrastructure (roads to airport, parking facilities, etc etc) would require quite a bit of work.

Wright needs to perish, and then WN can begin Memphis. I liked the idea of OLV for a long time (if you'd ever been to West Memphis, you would understand why that is a bad idea) but an even better idea is DAL-MEM-BWI and DAL-MEM-ORF and HOU-MEM-PIT and HOU-MEM-MDW etc etc


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 13):
no gouging change fees

Gouging change fees, wtf are you talking about a whopping $25?

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 13):
Say Wright is repealed and Southwest does start Memphis. Think it will change? Me thinks so

Just because Southwest comes to down doesnt mean fares will drop.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting Txagkuwait (Reply 22):
Major business centers? Southwest will gladly carry folks to Chicago, South Florida, Dallas (assuming WA goes away), Houston, KC, St Louis, Phoenix, they blanket the west coast, and the Washington DC area. You can get to the Boston area, you can get to Philadelphia, you can get to Pittsburgh.

Yes, you will be able to get to these cities, but there will obviously be connections involved on WN. If NW carried thru with their threat to pull out of MEM, do you think WN will jump in with N/S service to all the cities you mentioned above?? I personally don't think so. At best you might see 12-15 flights a day to MDW, PHL, BWI, etc, no more than they set up at other locations to start with.

Quoting Txagkuwait (Reply 22):
I doubt that NW would close up their hub due to the arrival of Southwest. By their own admission, the bulk of the traffic at their Memphis hub is all connecting stuff....not a whole lot of O&D.

I believe I have read here that the MEM O&D numbers for NW are around 20%. I guess those outrageous fares they charge to locals in Memphis are enough to keep the whole operation afloat.

Quoting Txagkuwait (Reply 22):
One reason the O&D is so woefully insufficient is that the prices are so high. Lower walk up fares stimulate additional traffic, lots of it.

I agree, and would love to see the ugly birds at MEM and every other airport in the US, because I believe they do absolute wonders to stimulate air travel for all. I think that the threat by NW to pull out is an idle one, and at worst I could see them scaling down their operation to something along the lines of IND, with mainline to DTW and MSP and several daily CRJ's to LGA, DCA, etc catering to the business client. Although the O&D is small, I believe it is sufficient to warrant flights to these cities, and let NW gouge their customer for whatever they can get away with....

FWIW, I believe you will not see any WN metal in MEM for a long time, if ever. As a few have already stated, their focus seems to be elsewhere..


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 23):

Just because Southwest comes to town doesnt mean fares will drop.

Ever hear of the "Southwest Effect"?


25 FLAIRPORT : I third that! WN is not going through all this trouble to lift the Wright Ammendment just to fly to an airport just across the river. They'll probabl
26 Luv2fly : WOW then why do the board the flights everyday to MBJ and CUN, where are those planes actually flying to?
27 Northwestair : Why would WN spend their Cash on opening up MEM when they can get the MEM Psgr to drive to LIT to catch a flight. If WN wanted to hurt NW then WN woul
28 ConcordeBoy : ...do they know that?? which is a hella lot more than they're going to have if they send NW packing.
29 Northwestair : Don't forget about the MEM-NAS
30 Ejmmsu : My bad on claiming that there were no carribian flights.... But i mean really, is it worth not having to connect in IAH to get to the carribian in exc
31 Avek00 : No, you will be making connections to go pretty much ANYWHERE except for flights to legacy hubs + whatever cities WN served ex-MEM on a nonstop basis
32 Ejmmsu : If MEM is a much better airport, amazing international gateway, etc. than BNA, why do so many more people fly from BNA over MEM, two cities of almost
33 Avek00 : They DO fly into MEM - MEM lives almost exclusively off of connecting traffic, while BNA relies much more heavily on O&D. Hence, MEM can support nons
34 Ejmmsu : I think the thinking here is that even though MEM is a connecting hub with lots of nonstops, its still much less O&D friendly airport than BNA. Its gr
35 Ejmmsu : I think the thinking here is that even though MEM is a connecting hub with lots of nonstops, its still much less O&D friendly airport than BNA. Its gr
36 N200WN : From the horses mouth..."there's a reason all of those gates at COS are empty." (HK) So no, COS is not coming anytime soon. FAT is not ready yet...th
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