Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5269 times:
Yes, it sucks, once the station manager at EWR told my girlfriend and me that he has a double upgrade for us, I was already seeing us in First until I realized that they have this damned class between Eco and Biz.
Anyway, very kind from BA, will always remember this because it was my first long-haul Biz Class flight.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5240 times:
BA has four classes on most longhaul flights....why, to offer something for everyone and try to increase yeilds and revenue on flights.
BA retains F class (unlike many other carriers) because out of its LHR home base, there is a market for this premium service, and if BA can keep those F class sleepers filled up, there is a huge amount of profit in the product.
BA's premium economy product offers something for business travellers who, due to company budget rules, can no longer use business class. It offers just enough extra room and service to keep many business pax happy, and those sitting in premium economy would otherwise be in coach paying a lower fare.
Ansett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4950 times:
A lot of airlines are introducing premium economy now. Virgin and British both have it and Thai and Air NZ are going to be introducing it shortly.
I think its a BRILLIANT idea. Especially for flights like Sydney to London (over 22 hours flying time).
UA's premium product is nice on short haul i.e. extra leg room to full Y pax and premium Frequent Flyer members. But the seats still the same. Even on Long Hall Y, Premium Y on UA is not really noticable.
My hat goes off to BA for doing this and I have and will continue to fly this class. It seems the way the airlines are heading and I think the US airlines should follow suit.....
RTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4894 times:
BA only have 4 L/H classes:
World Traveller Plus
There are still a few a/c with the old style Club 'cradle seats' flying around but the L/H fleet is nearly all fitted out with the sleeper seats; no difference in class, just older and newer versions of it.
Why? Well, same reason that BMW sell a 1 Series, a 3 Series, a 5 Series, & 7 Series - some people want more room and have more money to spend. It allows you to servier a broader market.
Fastenseatbelt From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
As far as I know EVA AIR was the first one to introduce an upgraded Economy class. They have been flying around with their Evergreen Deluxe Class (formerly Economy Deluxe) for about ten years now if not longer.
Who else has an Economy+ ? I can only think of United and Thai ( on their new A345).
LO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4767 times:
Quoting Fastenseatbelt (Reply 9): As far as I know EVA AIR was the first one to introduce an upgraded Economy class. They have been flying around with their Evergreen Deluxe Class (formerly Economy Deluxe) for about ten years now if not longer.
China Airlines on their 744's. Now substantially upgraded to business, but with economy plus prices. Yayers! Flying AMS-BKK in September!!!
Got both LO 788 frames already, next LO E95 and 734 BRU-WAW-BRU
Djmatthews From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4529 times:
I believe the idea of Premium Economy came from Virgin. It's an excellent idea. It bridges the gap nicely between economy and business. Ideal for leisure travelers with a little extra cash, or for business travelers that cannot afford business but want more than economy cabin.
Flyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 856 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4435 times:
Well ,it was Scandinavian Airlines that introduced economy class first back in the days.And now they have 3 classes on European flights Business,Economy Flex,Economy and also they have seats sold as snowflake (few rows in the back).so you can say its 4 classes on European flights,BA is nothing compared to SAS and their confused marketing
I prefer to be crazy and happy rather than normal and bitter
Expressjetphx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3208 times:
I'm actually quite happy that BA has the 4 classes that it does. I recently booked a seat on BA0288/0289 (PHX-LHR/RETURN), and since I was booking very late there were no seats available for purchase with frequent flyer miles in the Club World or First cabins. My parents didn't want to pay almost $5,000 for a Club World ticket, since I will be travelling alone, so World Traveller Plus ($1,488) fit us perfectly- a nicer, more spacious cabin with footrests etc., and only about $400 more than World Traveller. Can't wait for the trip!
Well you've simply got to separate the lower class from the working class from the lower middle class from the upper middle class from the nouveau riche from the upper class from the aristocrats from the nobility from the Royal family haven't you. It just wouldn't be right otherwise!
Monkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
Why do we have so many classes? The answer is simple!........................... We responded to customer demands.
There are not 4 classes on all long haul flights, only on those flights where there is a demand for it.
Many passengers say they want a slights bigger seat with more leg room etc but do not want to pay the fare for Club or First. Or there companies do ot allow them to travel Club. Hence the introduction of World Traveller Plus. WTP has been a huge success, as a 'class' it is the second highest revenue earner for BA after Club World.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
Quoting Fastenseatbelt (Reply 9): Who else has an Economy+ ? I can only think of United and Thai ( on their new A345).
Uniteds Economy+ isn't really a Premium Economy product, as it doesn't have dedicated selling classes and fare structures. It's just a nicer bit of the Economy cabin for high-tier frequent flyers and full fare passengers.
The airlines that I'm aware of that have a premium economy cabin (we've just updated 1A to allow agents to request Economy/Coach premium classes)...
AC Air Canada. . .Club
AF Air France. . .Alizé
BA British Airways. . .World Traveller Plus
BD bmi. . .Premium Economy
BR EVA Airways. . .Evergreen Deluxe
CZ China Southern
DM Maersk. . .Medium
NH All Nippon. . .Premium Economy
NZ Air New Zealand. . .Pacific Premium Economy
SK Scandinavian. . .Economy Extra
SQ Singapore Airlines . . Executive Economy
TG Thai Airways . . Premium Economy
VS Virgin Atlantic. . .Premium Economy