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After 20 Years Air India Flies To Canada  
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

TORONTO: After the bombing of its passenger airliner Kanishka two decades ago, Air India will start its service from Toronto to India from tomorrow, fulfilling a long-standing demand of Indians living in Canada.

Air India's first service from Toronto to New Delhi via Birmingham and Amritsar will take off on Sunday fulfilling a long-pending demand of Indians living in Canada, a spokesperson for the airlines said.

The flight will operate three days a week. Special security measures have been taken to protect the aircraft and passengers and to prevent incidents like the 1985 bombing, said the spokesperson.

Kanishka, a Boeing 747 flight from Toronto to Mumbai via London was blown off the Irish coast in the Atlantic ocean on June 23, 1985, killing 329 passengers, mostly Canadians.

The new Boeing 777 Air India aircraft will land at the Toronto's Pearson International Airport on May 15 evening with special guests Trilochan Singh, Chairman, Minorities Commission and parliamentarians M S Gill, Rita Sodhi and Balwant Singh Ramuwalia.

The Economic Times

The article has got facts wrong. My cousin took AI YYZ-DEL-YYZ in 1995.
Here is a 1997 photo

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rgds
VT-ASJ


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User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9175 times:
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Interesting that you post that pic as I believe that is the ex-SQ plane that replaced the fallen Kanishka.

User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9096 times:

Well, Aseem Can U tell me which AI777 is it to do the honours at YYZ.
The AIK


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or the AIJ


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JOY



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 2):

the buzz in the other thread is about VT-AIJ aka Neelambari
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9037 times:

I wonder if they will check in at the desks at the far left end of T3 where LY does and use that special security room in the back like LY makes their pax use. The room has a special x-ray machine and you have to take your baggage there to get x-rayed before it goes down to be loaded.


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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8976 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 4):

very likely as AI will be docking at T3 till they join Star Alliance, after that GTAA will have to make arrangements at T1.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8922 times:

Just saw it on ZEE News, they are reporting AI is going to use a 747 heh

What will the return routing look like? the same reversed? or would it be YYZ-BHX-DEL-ATQ instead?

[Edited 2005-05-15 06:01:49]


"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8903 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 6):
What will the return routing look like? the same reversed? or would it be YYZ-BHX-DEL-ATQ instead?

it is going to be exact reverse, else they'll have to make arrangements for crew at ATQ, and bring empty plane to DEL to start journey afresh.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Quoting Aseem (Thread starter):
TORONTO: After the bombing of its passenger airliner Kanishka two decades ago, Air India will start its service from Toronto to India from tomorrow, fulfilling a long-standing demand of Indians living in Canada.

After 20 Years Air India Flies To Canada

Air India did serve YYZ in the 90s - so all these headlines etc are misleading, an too much hype is made in connex to the 1985 bombing. Of course, it is breaking news.. See also

Crappy Aviation Journalism! (by Mrniji May 13 2005 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

True Aseem.

For some reason my brother keeps telling me that the ZEE reporter said YYZ-BHX-DEL-ATQ on the return! to me it didnt make sense other than perhaps they want the UK/Canadian passengers on the return flight to go through customs at DEL.

Would it be possible to do the Crew change in DEL, load up DEL pax and head to ATQ and so on more like a DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ-BHX-DEL cycle?

How are the facilities looking at ATQ? I saw the huge construction project going at the airport in january.



"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
User currently offlineBA777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 674 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 6):
Just saw it on ZEE News, they are reporting AI is going to use a 747 heh

Really??!  Wow!

Is that true? Anyone confirm?  faint 



I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 9):
For some reason my brother keeps telling me that the ZEE reporter said YYZ-BHX-DEL-ATQ on the return!

Zee reporters!!! they're bunch of nuts. Man, you'll fell over laughing how they try to sensationalise things in stupidest of manner. Frankly I am not at all surprised.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 11):
Zee reporters!!! they're bunch of nuts. Man, you'll fell over laughing how they try to sensationalise things in stupidest of manner. Frankly I am not at all surprised.

Completely agreed


User currently offlineFDH From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

Quoting Aseem (Thread starter):
Kanishka, a Boeing 747 flight from Toronto to Mumbai via London was blown off the Irish coast in the Atlantic ocean on June 23, 1985, killing 329 passengers, mostly Canadians.

The flight routing was Toronto to Mumbai via Montreal and London.

FDH


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8606 times:

Quoting FDH (Reply 13):
The flight routing was Toronto to Mumbai via Montreal and London.

yes, good ol' YMX



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User currently offlineWingedarrow From Italy, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8587 times:

Anybody knows if AI is about to resume its services to FCO too? A few months ago a Milan-based AI representative told me they probably would have flown to Rome again, but I heard nothing about that since then...


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

I am very surprised that AI hasn't served Canada for all those years. Yes, there was an act of terror upon AI with flights from Canada (and a close call as to a second a/c of AI) but I find the long time without such service to have been a very bad business decision. Perhaps the stricter requirements for transit visas in the USA along with increasing demand, drove AI to finally return service to Canada.

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
I am very surprised that AI hasn't served Canada for all those years. Yes, there was an act of terror upon AI with flights from Canada (and a close call as to a second a/c of AI) but I find the long time without such service to have been a very bad business decision.

See the thread starter and my Reply # 8.. AI did serve YYZ in the 90s and withdrew due to operational reasons (fleet constraints) - so the time is not so long as assumed (but definitely long enough  Wink )


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

of all, even BBC site got it wrong. And the funny part is that their English site doesn't say anything about it, but their Hindi site again says "after 20yrs". Common' guys give me a break!!
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8419 times:

Current Status:

Air India Flight AI188 arrived at BHX at 11:10 and is currently at BHX's T1!
Air India Flight AI188 is due to depart at 16:15!
Sheduled arrival time at YYZ is 18:45 at T3!

Rob!


User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8386 times:

Didn't AI want to remove first class on one 777 for this route (just have business and coach)? Does anyone know the loads in first?

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8335 times:

Two things -
1. As of 11:45am EDT, FlyteComm is showing AI187 arriving at YYZ at 5:54pm
2. Assuming the date on the A.net photo is correct, Air India flew to YYZ until at least September 1997.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8319 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 21):
Assuming the date on the A.net photo is correct, Air India flew to YYZ until at least September 1997.

AI opened Canada service in 1982 operating 2x weekly on Wednesdays and Saturdays to Montreal Mirabel.

Service to Toronto was inaugurated in January 1985 and the service became once weekly with a routing of BOM-DEL-FRA-YYZ-YMX-LHR-DEL-BOM operating on Saturdays.

Service to Canada was suspended indefinitely from June 30, 1985 following the bombing of AI 182 operated by VT-EFO by Canadian-based extremists.

Toronto services were reinstated in 1989 with a twice-weekly routing of India-LHR-YYZ-LHR-India.

In summer of 1992, the services were operated as daily flights with routings of India-LHR-JFK-YYZ-JFK-LHR-India on 5 days of the week (no 5th freedom JFK-YYZ and pax in sterile transit) and India-LHR-YYZ the remaining two days(may actually have been 5x total with 3x via JFK and 2x via LHR, I don't recall for sure).

Service was cancelled in the fall of 1992 and reinstated in summer of 1993 using a mixture of 742s and 743s. The service switched to a 742/744 mixed operation in 1993. VT-ESO even made her maiden revenue flight as AI 188 from YYZ-LHR-BOM in December 2003 after a ferry PAE-YYZ.

The last flight to YYZ was in Octover 1997 when the service was suspended due to lack of LHR slot availability when Air India's Chicago service began to be routed via London.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Detailed Flight Information:
Air India Flight 187 to Toronto, ON, Canada
(YYZ-Pearson International Airport)

55° F
Sunny
Airline Air India
Flight Number 187
Departure City (Airport) Birmingham, England, Great Britain (EGBB)
Departure Time 05/15/2005 04:25 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Toronto, ON, Canada (YYZ)
Arrival Time 05/15/2005 05:54 PM
Remaining Flight Time 06:29 (scheduled)
Aircraft Type
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Scheduled


here is the info from FlyteComm at 12:30hrs ET
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
Air India Flight AI188 arrived at BHX at 11:10 and is currently at BHX's T1!
Air India Flight AI188 is due to depart at 16:15!

Do they have a 5 hr layover in BHX? What a pain in the butt.. btw, any pics, Rob?

Quoting Aseem (Reply 18):
of all, even BBC site got it wrong. And the funny part is that their English site doesn't say anything about it, but their Hindi site again says "after 20yrs". Common' guys give me a break!!

Careful... people like AeroWesty (or whatsoever this dude is called) and STLGph might argue that AI did the mistake in giving them wong infomation..  Wink


25 WestWing : AI 187 scheduled arrival @ BHX is 14:45 ; scheduled departure is 16:15. (1:30 allocated). It looks like today's flight departed BHX nearly 1 hour late
26 Lnglive1011yyz : DOC Are you in Toronto? Cuz if you are, it isn't raining yet in the east end hahaha 1011yyz
27 Aseem : hope our YYZ sharp shooters are lined up at FedEx hill. Waiting to see the results on database. rgds VT-ASJ
28 EmiratesUK : Just returned from my day out to BHX, Saw the AI 777 arrive around 14:45 for some unknown reason it departed BHX around 17:10 almost 1 hour late. I've
29 Post contains images Lnglive1011yyz : The FedEx hill is out of commission right now Aseem --> they're adding lighting to 23/05 so there's nothing landing or departing from it right now. I
30 Mrniji : Bad loads (but OK for inaugural flight???) - good 5th freedom BHX-YYZ! Somehow an irony that with the new bilateral (and even with the old) only AI i
31 MotorHussy : Have AI started flying back to Australia as well yet? Regards MH
32 Post contains images B742 : MotorHussy, AI have plans to serve Sydney via Singapore, it's mentioned in one of the other treads! Anyone been able to get some pics? I could'nt get
33 Post contains links EmiratesUK : Sorry...my error according to www.BHX.co.uk the flight came in full with 272 passengers and departed for YYZ with a full load too....
34 Post contains links and images B742 : Here's a story on the first flight, also includes pic! http://www.bhx.co.uk/page.aspx?type=...=VmrgiAt2X44=&article=py60e2Ba764= It says fares start f
35 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : "Wong" information? Air India's press releases are generated out of China now? Inconceivable! However, according to this article (from China, interes
36 Post contains links Aseem : guys the GTAA website says that the flight is delayed, and is expected to arrive at 19:05hrs EST. posted 17:00hrs EST. http://tinyurl.com/c86we rgds V
37 Post contains links Aseem : can call me kinda' crazy, but the weather in Toronto at the time of arrival shall be fine. Hope some of our fellows over there can get a good snaps of
38 Post contains images Aseem : Congrats!!! yes it has arrived here at 19:11hrs. rgds VT-ASJ
39 STLGph : AI might have errored in giving them the wrong information. but at least they spellchecked their work.
40 Post contains images MrNiji : Thx.. interesting Of course, I agree. these primitive 3rd World bumpkins don't know that they have served YYZ in the 90s Sorry, the "R" on my keyboar
41 Jaysit : Why do these flights even have First Class? Frankly, I'm not sure why AI even has First Class any more. They should merge J and F into a premium J Cla
42 Shawnnyc : Tough call on that. Right now AI's first class fare from the US to India is roughly the same as business on most euro airlines. So you could say thei
43 Olympus69 : 23 had 7300' available for landing so there were some planes using it. The heavies were all coming in on 24R. The large crowd in the big parking lot
44 RicardoFG : wow wut a day at pearson, the flight arr/dep from c37, which after my travel left was completely closed off from anyone basically going near it, a 1 h
45 Post contains links and images BA777-236 : Yup! I got the chance to see her come in yesterday.. She looked fantastic. I also grabbed this shot of her at the T-3 gate: {You'll need to click on t
46 Post contains links and images Mrniji : Though I agree with Jaysit on shunnuing the first class (indeed, I do not see any reason for keeping 1st at all: see http://www.airliners.net/discuss
47 Post contains images Aseem : she looks awesome!! thanks for making my day. Please no more arguements about AI livery on B777. rgds VT-ASJ
48 Post contains images JAGflyer : AI is using the desks in the 400 section of T3. That is at the very far left end. Usually only LY, MA, KL, AF check in there. If you go all the way to
49 Lnglive1011yyz : You know what? I totally was thinking of somewhere else -- I was at Arizona's with everyone else hahaha. I was thinking of the spot on whatever road
50 RicardoFG : Actually, no they werent...AI was checking in from counters 214-221 (Air Transat counters - where most handlex airlines check in)
51 Post contains links and images Jet-lagged : According to this link: http://www.airindia.com/page.asp?pageid=86 Air India flies to another city in Canada too, called 'New York' in eastern Quebec.
52 Post contains images Olympus69 : Actually, it's more like New Brunswick or Nova Scotia. It's hard to tell from that rather inaccurate map. Newfoundland has completely disappeared and
53 Olympus69 : Silver Dart Drive. Ten years or so ago there was off-street parking and even a hot dog stand.
54 Thunderbird1 : Btw, anyone know where the DASH of Air-India has disappeared? They "forgot" to paint the dash on the 777s. Rather bad error if you ask me. Although th
55 Post contains images Mrniji : Incredible.. no comment I completely agree.. I was sitting with friends on a rock on JNU campus and 'watching the plane' while they were drinking vod
56 AeroWesty : Oh sweet mystery of life, at last I've found you. What a perfect morning this has been. Maybe this is just the new, updated livery for Air-India, and
57 Skywatcher : It's great to have AI back in Canada. This is part of the long healing process after the bombing.
58 Aseem : maybe you didn't quite go through the thread. AI has been off and on since 1985. The last time they cancelled service(1997) was due to operational re
59 Thunderbird1 : Maybe this is just the new, updated livery for Air-India, and they'll lose the dash from now on? Ha, that's quite an updated livery! Seriously, the da
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