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Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?  
User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1523 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6581 times:

What would you think if Ryanair offered its services in the USA, with EU fares and with some subsidy by small airports to help keeping low fares?

Would you appreciate this kid of service?

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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

However I'm not American, I would like to shine my light on this topic.

In Europe Ryanair made a profit out of the situation of many underserved airports and regions who would like to have this economic impulse. Local governements where approached all individually and they all made a custom-deal with Ryanair on offering services.

It won't work like this in the US, as there are already regulations about it: Essential Air Support, EAS. This is a subsidy for carriers who want to offer airline service to underserved airports in the weaker regions. And all carriers already use this regulations to offer all kind of RJ- and turboprop services. AFAIK, getting an individual deal on sponsoring scheduled services by local governements, isn't that easy as in Europe. (however, the EU wants to make regulations about this too, which I think is good).

About the service offered on-board: well, I think that many people will say that they'd rather pay more for more legroom and better service, but in the end $0.99 fares can persuade many people.


User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

OH DEAR GOD NO!!!!! Not Southwest Lite. I'd like to think that people would spend the extra money, but I know that when people book the ticket they forget all about service and comfort and look for every dime they can get. That said, it would kill the legacies, and leave me with fewer choices. I want to keep my right to see hub-and-spoke airlines where I pay more for more.

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
It won't work like this in the US, as there are already regulations about it: Essential Air Support, EAS. This is a subsidy for carriers who want to offer airline service to underserved airports in the weaker regions. And all carriers already use this regulations to offer all kind of RJ- and turboprop services. AFAIK, getting an individual deal on sponsoring scheduled services by local governements, isn't that easy as in Europe. (however, the EU wants to make regulations about this too, which I think is good).

I believe this is quite different. EAS airports rarely have any more than twice to 3x daily 19 or 30-seat prop service (if that), and not for underserved airports, rather for rural communities that would otherwise have no commercial air service whatsoever. I can't think of a single route where an RJ does EAS service.


User currently offlineQxq400 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

NO!!!!!
WN has already destroyed the airline industry in the US.  hissyfit 



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

Been there and done that. An airline as extreme as to mimimial customer service and going to very outlying airports like Ryanair does has been tried and not accepted by the American public. There is also significant cultural and political differences in the EC vs. the USA.
Some of the airports WN and other LCC's offer service to are alternative airports in large metro areas. Islip/McArthur airport in Long Island, NY 'serves' the NYC area for WN as they cannot nor want to serve into the 3 major airports here. You also see the situation like with JetBlue serving Long Beach, CA airport instead of LAX. When the bulk of USA LCC's developed in the early 1980's some, like PeopleExpress, went into underserved airports (like EWR as their base) where today a number of those airports grew quickly and became much more important airports. Often local governments did fix up airports to accomidate those LCC's. Some airports that attracted LCC's or connector services (like Stewart AFB/Int'l Airport in Newberg, NY, about 60+ miles from NYC), wasn't able to sustain such services as too distant from a sufficent base market or those airlines failed (Southeast served Stewart for several years until it failed last year).
Many of those early LCC's also didn't offer food service or made you pay for sodas and had no IFE (like People's Express).
Like Ryanair whom uses what seems to be warehouse like sheds at some airports, some of those early USA LCC's used underused terminal buildings (like the 'north terminal' of EWR by PeopleExpress). In part for today's higher security standards, the demands of customers as well as local airport policies, one must operate via 'full service' structures.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

I think Europeans wanted a Southwest in Europe. That's how Ryan Air started if I remenber correctly.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 3):
WN has already destroyed the airline industry in the US.

Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?


Regards
Udo

[Edited 2005-05-15 15:11:09]

[Edited 2005-05-15 15:11:35]

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):
Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?


Regards
Udo

Could not have said it better myself.



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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1147 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

I like SLC1's term "Southwest Lite". I personally would not want to fly on an airline that was so "no frills" that their brand new Boeings have among other things, no window shades, no reclining seats, barf bags only available on requests,safety cards that are permanent placards on the seatback in front of you etc. I'm sure I left out a few things. Paying for a soft drink I could live with, like on say AirAsia where at least their much older used 733's have not only the standard basic amenities but some CLASS as well ! You compare, somewhat classy on the left, completely tacky/cheesy on the right !



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):
Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?

Perhaps because they turned air travel into something slightly less glamourous than cleaning lavatories.

Steve


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 9):
Perhaps because they turned air travel into something slightly less glamourous than cleaning lavatories.

Steve

The same can be said for almost every service industry, this is not something that is only applicable to the airline industry. Remember full service gas stations? Retail where people actually waited on you. Restaurants before the onslaught of fast food. The list goes on and on.



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 9):
Perhaps because they turned air travel into something slightly less glamourous than cleaning lavatories.

All people who can't live without glamour can still fly First Class or rent a BBJ.  bitelip 


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 11):
All people who can't live without glamour can still fly First Class or rent a BBJ

Yeah I think I am just going to buy a BBJ. That will make life considerably easier.


That Ryanair picture looks like hell!! Ten times worse than southwest. If we had a carrier like that here, the chances of my flying it would be slim. Could you imagime flying BNA-LAX (a common WN route) in those conditions!?

Yuck!



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6178 times:

To answer your question, NO we don't want a Ryan Air in the US. We have too many Ryan Airs already.

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

Any place is better off without Ryanair!

The only good thing about Ryanair is cheap fares!

Ryanair isnt anything on JetBlue, Southwest, Song.....

Rob!


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 13):
We have too many Ryan Airs already.

And these are...?


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

I am always puzzled by the yield/revenue management that Ryanair uses. They don't seem to have a standard fare for each route like WN does. They basically offer a price according to demand, which i find it very interesting. I don't have figures but it seems that their planes are always full. Isn't it better to have a plane full with a flexible price skim than just keeping the fares higher as you get closer to departure like WN and other airlines do?

I wouldnt mind a Ryanair in the US served by E170/190/195 with no middle seats for short hauls, lets say on a range of the East coast cities to East of the Mississippi and north and south. With a flexible fare structure like theirs, i am sure ill be easy to take cheap weeknd trips at very low prices.
I have flown Ryanair but because my expectations where so low, i just didn't mind. I had a good breakfast before going to the airport, had my ipod and slept the whole way down. I flew from London to Palermo and they were the only airline flying nonstop and had the best price too. My only complaint with them is the strict carry-on rules. They don't allow any roll-on bags regardless of the weight/size. Check in was madness at STN. They need online check in to make this process easier.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 14):
The only good thing about Ryanair is cheap fares!

isn't that what the whole business concept of FR is anyway  confused 

"Ryanair’s objective is to firmly establish itself as Europe’s leading low-fares scheduled passenger airline through continued improvements and expanded offerings of its low-fares service. Ryanair aims to offer low fares that generate increased passenger traffic while maintaining a continuous focus on cost-containment and operating efficiencies. The key elements of Ryanair’s strategy are:
Low Fares. Ryanair’s low fares are designed to stimulate demand, particularly from fare-conscious leisure and business travelers who might otherwise have used alternative forms of transportation or would not have traveled at all. Ryanair sells seats on a one-way basis, thus eliminating..."

"During its 20-year operating history, Ryanair has not had a single incident involving major injury to passengers or flight crew. Ryanair’s commitment to safe operations is manifested by its safety training procedures, its investment in safety-related equipment and the adoption of an internal confidential reporting system for safety issues."


source: www.ryanair.com



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

an airline with service even cheaper in cost and quality than WN???????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! That would be TRAGIC. We already have enough to deal here with WN so, Ryanair is NOT welcome here in the U.S.A!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):
Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 3):
WN has already destroyed the airline industry in the US.

Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?


Regards
Udo

Very well said.



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User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

I wouldn't want to be on a Ryanair jet, let alone work on one! Europe, you guys can keep Ryanair.

User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Just booked a flight on EasyJet from LGW-FCO-LGW. I just enjoy the low cost. 87 euro, r/t.

Regards.


User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2442 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 3):
NO!!!!!
WN

Only took 3 replies... more than I expected.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 18):
service even cheaper in cost and quality than WN

Quality is a perception. I've flown both CO and WN this year...and when all is said and done, I felt that WN had a higher quality of service. I'll forgo the details since this thread is not about WN, but I'll just say I felt like I was treated more like a real person on WN.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):
Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?

UDO!

What's up? You have been avoiding me lately!

WN has not ruined anything. They provide a no frills service. For the people that want to fly them then you can fly them. If not, then fly someone else.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 8):
I like SLC1's term "Southwest Lite". I personally would not want to fly on an airline that was so "no frills" that their brand new Boeings have among other things, no window shades, no reclining seats, barf bags only available on requests,safety cards that are permanent placards on the seatback in front of you etc. I'm sure I left out a few things. Paying for a soft drink I could live with, like on say AirAsia where at least their much older used 733's have not only the standard basic amenities but some CLASS as well ! You compare, somewhat classy on the left, completely tacky/cheesy on the right !

Hey Ron,

Loved meeting you last night and welcome to my respected user list!  wave 

I like that term too! I choose not to fly WN if I can help it unless I need to get to Vegas in a hurry and use their NS from ISP-LAS. Otherwise I would fly CO or Song. I don't mind paying a little more.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

Some of the aspects of FR's service has already been tried by airlines here in the US. PEOPLExpress charged for onboard amenities, charged to check bags, pretty much charged for nearly everything but reservations. While those aspects were not the cause of the airline's demise, no other airline in the US has tried to duplicate this with the exception of B.O.B. of food.

25 Post contains images Commavia : As an American, I would say thanks but no thanks! We already have Southwest which offers great fares and they even have window shades!
26 N766UA : Screw that. I love WN, but I'd never fly an airline that is so substandard that WN looks like super-premium service. Ryanair has ads on the overheads
27 Cleared2Land4 : listen to him
28 N317AS : I would love Ryanair over here. Give the riff raff something cheap to fly on and stay the hell off the legacy carriers.
29 Thomasphoto60 : Actually, Ryanair's operations remind me a great deal of People Express's operations back in the 80s. And we all know what happed to People Express. I
30 GaleaoCumbica : Hello, Ryanair is just great! Flew with them a lot of times and they are not bad. Never had a flight delayed even with terrible weather conditions, pl
31 GalvanAir777 : How by making air travel affordable without compromising safety and service? Oh yeah that's destroying the industry.
32 Post contains links Ib16uk : As a Brit ! Airlines like Ryanair, easyJet, bmibaby, Jet2.com etc etc - They have introduced a product / concept that allows the larger carriers to re
33 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Just look at those fares £.99 one way?!? Thats less than $2 bucks! Of course no tax or other fees yet included, but still I've never seen anything th
34 Fbgdavidson : Ryanair are great! For one reason. They are competition and force legacy carriers to bring their prices down which is good for me and other folk who d
35 Wdleiser : Southwest, by shaking up the legacies so much, who had a monopoly evenly distributed amongst several airlines, may very well indeed create their own m
36 MD-90 : I'm not sure if Ryanair USA would succeed. The USA tends to have longer routes than Western Europe does, which is bad for comfort. I wouldn't want to
37 HZ747300 : Williams airport in Phoenix/Mesa would finally see regularly scheduled air service. My guess is that flights on Ryanair are not that bad--or nobody wo
38 Malaysia : Air Asia, yeah I had wrong currency to pay for soft drink and it was over 2 hours flight and I got a bit frustrated and the A/C was broken... and I j
39 Qantasclub : Uh...they already do have several Ryanairs...AA,UA,DL,WN etc, except that they charge alot more for almost exactly the same travel experience in Y.
40 Post contains images Iwok : For any trip under three hours, I am willing to do anything for a cheap fare. Many of us already spend 3-4hours a day in a cramped seat with no meals
41 Deltabobo : We already have it here in the USA, its called Greyhound!!!!
42 Post contains images SWISSER : Well I rather travel in a nice comfi 777 from IAD to ORD instead!even witout a snack, you have inflight entertainment and now even reclining seats! I
43 Post contains images SWISSER : yeah! I remember the NYC trip to Buffalo quite good! only 8 hours of punishment!My ass was hurt like hell,
44 Post contains images Tatfsn : A Ryanair in the U.S.?? As one who works in close proximity to one of Southwest's major focus airports, I see every day an example of a company that s
45 JAFA : I never realized that people relied on airlines to feel like a real person.
46 Havaloc : Why do people always blame WN and FR? If you must blame someone for what WN and FR provide, blame the people who want low price and no frills. All tha
47 Xkorpyoh : I have flown FR twice and liked it better than WN just because i didnt have to hear to stupid jokes of the F/A. FR was very efficient transportation f
48 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : You must CSA at one of those carriers that loses ? Also guess you cannot stand them turning LARGE profits and succeeding as a carrier ppl like to fly
49 Flybyguy : Yuck!! Ryanair here? No Way!!! That O'Leary (or whatever his name is) is a CHEAP SCROOGE that would do anything to save nickels and dimes only to pass
50 Ruger11 : This is my first post BTW: I am an American, but I live in Europe, and have lived here for almost two years now. I admit when I go stateside, I don't
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