AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2443 posts, RR: 27 Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6429 times:
I know that UA before pulling out of AKL had 772 service from AKL to LAX. Now, I know that the 777 has the range but is it allowed to fly LAX-SYD? Or is there a ETOPS problem? I also know that NZ will add their 777s to the Americas from New Zealand, but what about other airlines?
Can it work? And will any airline ever even consider such a route for the 777? Not that I am planning the death of UA, but if they are gone I would think that AA,CO, and/or DL, would like to jump on the chance.
AA could maybe fly LAX-SYD, but I don't think it would happen anytime soon!
I agree, AA is just fine with the code-share arrangement with QF.
LAX-SYD is a high demand route, it seems that QF multiple 744s from LAX to SYD and other Australian destinations go out to capacity nearly everyday....thus, while there would not be a problem operating the 777 on the route, flights between the US and Australia are flown by the 744 for capacity reasons. Look for QF to use its A380s on the LAX-SYD/MEL routes for this reason.
Its been a long time since we heard about the proposed DFW-SYD route that was to be launched by either QF or AA (on a code-share basis) with 777-200LRs. Will it ever happen?
777STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6181 times:
AA would never encroach on QF's turf with the LAX-Australia flights. AA is doing quite well feeding QF's routes anyway.
DL and CO don't have west coast hubs and neither could spare the 777s for Australian routes anyway. Though I guess CO could conceivably run something out of HNL but then again they'd also be in competition with HA on that route.
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6047 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4): Its been a long time since we heard about the proposed DFW-SYD route that was to be launched by either QF or AA (on a code-share basis) with 777-200LRs. Will it ever happen?
I wouldn't lose sleep over it, as it has been discussed in this forum before and QF and/or AA would probably go to ORD anyway.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10512 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5958 times:
The B777-200ER cannot operate LAX-SYD with a commercially viable payload. The B777-200LR and B777-300ER can. It's not terribly difficult for an airline to get ETOPS 180 certification for the B777 which is all that's needed.
Note that SQ are expected to start this route soon, which will reduce or eliminate UA's profitability on this route. Since UA doesn't have the option of buying B777-300ER or any other aircraft while they are in Chapter 11, UA's only options are to either continue operating the B747-400 on this route or drop it entirely.
Aussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5408 times:
More than likely when SQ get permission to operate it will be initially from Secondary cities (MEL/BNE etc). The Australian government is very protective giving SQ rights to operate SYD to USA, and will most likely be part of a second tranche of rights down the track IMHO. SQ obviously are dissapointed at this and will exercise full force to get rights to SYD.
This hasn't been mentioned, if QF order the 773ER/772LR later this year, what would be the chances of QF performing the hub buster philosophy that GEoff Dixon was talking about last month and using it for new city pairs.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 15363 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5318 times:
how about SFO-LAX...besides UA..there aren't any direct flights to SYD/MEL from the Bay Area...........one would need to fly down to LAX from SFO/SJC/OAK to fly a competing carrier (or fly NZ from SFO to New Zealand) .......looks like UA has a monopoly on this direct flight from SFO..
Ozair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 1359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5177 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13): In the case of UA, on the other hand:
doing the route with 648K PW4090s wasn't exactly their optimum choice.
Agree, they used to fly out of LAX heavily weight restricted, not only due to distance but weather as well. The storms that would occur in the South pacific were often a cause for concern.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12): Since SQ won't have B777-300ERs yet, I expect the route will be operated using the B747-400.
I would imagine SQ would use their 744s at the earliest opportunity even if they had spare 773ERs. They have a greater seat capacity which on SYD-LAX would benefit them greatly! I cannot see them requiring too long to gain the customer base required for the 744, and the SQ CEO has previously mentioned the route as an A380 option if rights are granted.
Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 14): This hasn't been mentioned, if QF order the 773ER/772LR later this year, what would be the chances of QF performing the hub buster philosophy that GEoff Dixon was talking about last month and using it for new city pairs.
What city pairs really offer anything better than LAX. SFO is a possibility but JFK would only ever see a premium service similar to SQ's A345 services. I don't think this would effect their LAX runs in a significant manner. Can't see DFW, just not enough demand for a long run like that.
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2718 times:
Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 21): IIRC, SQ also stated the desire to operate from SYD to other US citiesbesides LAX. I could see SFO, HNL, ORD, or NYC as possibilities if SQ orders the 772LR as anticipated.
HNL??? probably the most unlikely, as I don't think there's enough front of plane travel to justify it.
I would think SQ's wishlist looks a little like this;
Anyone care to comment?
The above list takes into consideration possible flying distances with SQ's current fleet, as well as possible domestic link with UA over LAX and SFO.
Jupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 1017 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2687 times:
6th Freedom, you have given me a good laugh with that SQ wish list !!!
They will be lucky to get the rights to do US flights from Australia. Far more likely will be Virgin Blue operating the route under whatever guise they come up with long before SQ will ever get the rights. In fact I would go on to say that SQ 744's will fly the route, but they will be wearing Pacific Blue colours or whatever they end up calling themselves.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10512 posts, RR: 63
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
I can't see SQ operating BNE-USA for the same reason that I can't see SQ operating SYD-HNL: these are low-yield markets. If SIN-HNL is not interesting for SQ, it's difficult to imagine that SYD-HNL would be interesting.
The only routes I can see interesting SQ are:
Given the need for daily service, I'm not sure any of the latter three would support the addition of more than B777-200 capacity.
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