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Who's Next To Join Skyteam?  
User currently offlineWingedarrow From Italy, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

A couple of months ago, I've been told by an airline representative that China Airlines is the next suitable candidate to join the Skyteam Alliance. In the recent past there were rumors about Aeroflot joining the group thanks to their agreements with Air France. Does anybody know something more about what airline could probably be added to Skyteam?


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7414 times:

It is indeed China Southern, with Aeroflot following.

There are a few others that are being massaged right now, but nothing coming to fruition as far as I've heard outside those 2.


User currently offlineDeltaA380 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

I have heard China Southern and Aeroflot as well; the other one I wouldn't be suprised to see is Emirates.


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

Good point about EK; there is a considerable amount of x-traffic CO gets, and I believe DL as well.

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7396 times:

I think Emirates might join Skyteam in the near future!

Aeroflot and China Southern are to join Skyteam, or so i've heard!

Rob!


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Aeroflot will be the next one to join. They have already signed a MOU, and will officially join later this year. Following them is likely China Southern. They (along with Air China and China Eastern) have long wanted to join an alliance, but "higher powers" blocked such moves. China Airlines is another candidate, however I think it could be a problem to have a Chinese and a Taiwanese airline in the same alliance. About EK, I doubt that. While they do have some codeshares and agreements, they prefer to do their flying on their own, as is obvious with their continuesly huge expansion.

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7375 times:

MH has expressed interest as well. I'd much rather see MH than CI, myself.

Steve


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

I really hope MH will join the alliance soon. It will help SkyTeam improve its coverage of Southeast Asia and Oceania. I don't know if Aeroflot will join soon, but China Southern has been repeatedly mentioned. Other airlines that have been mentioned are CM (but now it's uncertain whether it will join since CO might sell its stake in CM), UX (probably unfounded rumors) and AV. Maybe an airline from Africa would be a nice addition as well. The latest rumor is that Brazilian LCC Gol will join but I find that hard to believe.

Wingedarrow, I see you are new to a.net so I want to welcome you to the forums. I hope that you will enjoy beginning threads, posting replies and watching the pictures as much as I have since I joined. Look forward to reading your opinions.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

Probably will in the relatively near future:
  • China Southern
  • Aeroflot

    High potential to join:
  • TAM
  • Malaysia
  • Avianca
  • MEA

    Longshots, but with potential:
  • China Airlines [ Yeah sure]
  • Air India
  • Emirates

  • User currently offlineTrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

    Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
    I think Emirates might join Skyteam in the near future!

    Aeroflot and China Southern are to join Skyteam, or so i've heard!

    Rob!

    Is the period (full stop to you, I suppose) key broken on your keyboard? LOL (kidding...)


    User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

    To use Conc's list...

    Probably will in the relatively near future:

    China Southern - yes
    Aeroflot - yes

    High potential to join:

    TAM - no
    Malaysia - 50/50
    Avianca - no
    MEA - no

    Longshots, but with potential:

    China Airlines - no
    Air India - no
    Emirates - no, but man that would be awesome.

    You'd see Kenya in before any of those...

    B


    User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
    Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

    Freddie, I dunno about TAM. As much as I'd love to see them in SkyTeam, it seems they could go with oneworld instead.


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    User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
    Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7084 times:

    Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 10):
    You'd see Kenya in before any of those...

    a very good proposition. The best airlines in Africa after SA. Skyteam should start making inroad in Africa, unless they want to realize its potential at the very last moment.
    rgds
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    User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7072 times:

    Quoting Aseem (Reply 12):
    a very good proposition. The best airlines in Africa after SA. Skyteam should start making inroad in Africa, unless they want to realize its potential at the very last moment.

    Agreed, tho what I think is holding them back is Africa is already covered well enuff with AF and KLM, plus they don't serve the US yet. If I had to rank potential members tho, they'd be at the top of my list.

    Malev may have some type of association too, we'll see.

    Malaysia would bring in the Australasian continent, which is not covered yet

    Avianca maaaaaaay have a slim clance along with Copa, other than that, anything else named here is a pipe dream.

    [Edited 2005-05-16 04:17:01]

    User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
    Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

    Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 13):
    MH would bring in Australasia, which is not covered yet

    Isn't this covered by KE?

    Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 13):
    Avianca maaaaaaay have a slim clance along with Copa

    Agreed, I think CM has a bigger chance than AV because of her big sister, CO Big grin

    Wouldn't AT be suitable enough to cover up Northern Africa? Or Africa as well?
    Otherwise I think SkyTeam should focus on the Asian network which needs a tiny bit more attention Big grin

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    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

    Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
    Freddie, I dunno about TAM. As much as I'd love to see them in SkyTeam, it seems they could go with oneworld instead.

    ...why?

    Their relationship with AA has been stand-offish at best, and they'd have the advantage of being the only SkyTeam member in S.America (barring Avianca) should they strengthen their ties with AF and then join.


    User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
    Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

    But I believe that their relationship with AF is not that good either. I am not sure about it but it seems that AF is angered by the fact that JJ is adding more CDG-GRU frequencies. Hopefully someone from Brazil can give more details (despite my flag, I am not Brazilian, nor do I live there).


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    User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

    Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 14):
    Isn't this covered by KE?

    Just Auckland, and you have to conx via Seoul.

    Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 14):
    Wouldn't AT be suitable enough to cover up Northern Africa? Or Africa as well?

    Africa is covered well with AF and KLM.

    Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 14):
    Otherwise I think SkyTeam should focus on the Asian network which needs a tiny bit more attention

    With Korean, China Southern, and possibly Malaysian, I think it's covered. Australia and South America are the only holes in the network.

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 15):
    Their relationship with AA has been stand-offish at best, and they'd have the advantage of being the only SkyTeam member in S.America (barring Avianca) should they strengthen their ties with AF and then join.

    If an airline is gonna represent South America in SkyTeam, it'll be Avianca, that that's still a long shot. TAM isn't on the radar.

    B


    User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

    Kenya airlines will join for sure... i think even before China Southern and Aeroflot, because KL has a stake in them....

    i see these airlines , in order of most probably, joining SkyTeam:


    Kenya airlines
    China southern
    Aeroflot
    Malaysian airlines
    Royal Air maroc/Ethidad/ and maybe EK to strenghten the african continent, were Kenya is a bit to small to cover the whole continent.


    i actually think that AZ will pull out soon, since after numerous requests they still can't join the AFKL alliance and the strong rumour about EK taking over AZ.......


    User currently offlineDeltaA380 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

    EK taking over AZ? That sounds like a thread in and of itself. On another forum someone mentioned UA taking over Atlas. Well, if all that can happen maybe Delta really will get A380's!

    In any case, with CZ in SkyTeam and SU seeming very likely, Malev would seem redundant to me.

    Even if CO sells Copa and Air Mike no reason they couldn't still join Skyteam.

    I agree with those that call for more Asian presence; that needs to improve. At least we have NW now to help with that (along with KE.)



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    User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6765 times:

    Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 10):
    High potential to join:

    TAM - no
    Malaysia - 50/50
    Avianca - no
    MEA - no

    Re ME, I would beg to differ. Info we've had from ME indicates a strong wish and a reasonable likelihood of joining Skyteam. Maybe only as a regional partner, but still. We shall see.


    User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
    Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

    Quoting EddieDude (Reply 16):
    am not sure about it but it seems that AF is angered by the fact that AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ is adding more CDG-GRU frequencies. Hopefully someone from Brazil can give more details

    I would love to see TAM part of Syteam.

    TAM would be a major addition to SkyTeam, and AF has tried very hard to attract TAM to Sky. TAM now is the biggest domestic airline in Brazil, with 40% market share. TAM as a member of Sky would boost Sky operations in Brazil, which currently have the folllowing flights: AF - 2 daily; KL - 1 daily; CO - 2 daily; DL - 3 daily; AZ - 1 daily; AM - 1 daily Total: 10 daily flights to Brazil. [CZ - operates 2 x week charters to Northeast Brazil].

    However, TAM is much closer to OW because of its important association with AA, and AA's MIA hub is vital for TAM. That's why at the end there are strong indications that TAM will decide to join OW instead...sad news...

    Rgs,


    User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

    Kenya Airlines is just as likely to join as Northwest would after the merger between KL/AF.

    Malaysia, China Southern are co-operating with KL, so I wouldn't be surprised seeing them join.


    User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
    Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

    Does anyone know if Air Europa has any plans to join Sky Team? They have pretty good connections with Continental, Air France, KLM, and Alitalia.


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    User currently offlineWingedarrow From Italy, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

    Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
    Wingedarrow, I see you are new to a.net so I want to welcome you to the forums. I hope that you will enjoy beginning threads, posting replies and watching the pictures as much as I have since I joined. Look forward to reading your opinions.

    Thanks a lot, EddieDude, that's very kind of you. I've surfed on a.net for a long time before deciding to register and I'm glad I'll have forum mates like you!

    [Edited 2005-05-16 13:43:10]


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    25 Wingedarrow : I don't want to appear parochial, MauriceB, but I think Alitalia seems to be doing fine in the Skyteam Alliance. We've just started a new codeshare a
    26 KEno : MH has a total of 54 flights a week to Australasia, serving SYD, MEL, BNE, PER, ADL & AKL. The first two on the list are served twice daily. KE on th
    27 Zone1 : MH already has codeshare agreements with DL and KE. They are probably going to be number three in joining SkyTeam, behind China Southern and Aeroflot.
    28 WorldXplorer : What about Qatar Airways? Their network is impressive, their fleet is new, the service is excellent (from what I here, I have not flown them), and sev
    29 KEno : MH only codeshares with KL & KE. There are no DL nor NW flights that carry MH codes, or vice versa. DL's Skymiles members however, can accrue mileage
    30 NonRevKing : CZ and SU are for sure going to join. They've already been invited, so they are the only sure things. Let that be clear. Kenya has a lot of potential
    31 Post contains links Afay1 : Aeroflot has a press release from May 12, 2005 on its website annoucing codesharing on the SVO-MXP route and describes it as another step towards Skyt
    32 MEA330 : NonRevKing Working for Delta is not enough to negate everybody else's analysis on future SkyTeam partners.This is an internet forum and everybody has
    33 RCS763AV : About TAM. Very unlikely. Pathetic international network and more ties with AA than AF. About UX its been rumoured. MH has a tough relationship with A
    34 NonRevKing : Your right, this is an internet forum. Where people can spout off whatever they want with no basis in fact, and those with actual information are que
    35 Hjulicher : Aeroflot would have already joined except that they do not meet the skyteam entrance requirements, which is what hinders their invitation. Yes, they a
    36 Hardiwv : What do you mean "pathetic"? TAM and its subsidiary TAM Mercosur operate flights to Paraguay, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia plus two daily fligh
    37 MauriceB : with all the respect , but AZ isn't doing fine at all..... they had money from the government and they are going to need a new plan, wich is already
    38 Chinaeastern : any possibility than Air Tahiti Nui might join that alliance as well?
    39 JoyA380B747 : Hey Guys, You must have missed out Jet Airways. It has a lot of probability to join the SkyTeam although I've learnt on the Forum that it may join STA
    40 Wingedarrow : Just different point of views...
    41 RCS763AV : So you call like 9 destinations a good international network for an airline that size.....
    42 Post contains images MD11junkie : Hardiwv is naming countries not actual destinations.There could be several destinations in one country. And if it's 9... it's MUCH more than what the
    43 Kahala777 : CI - China Airlines, has improved their service like night and day. The airline has recently revamped its premium products and increased its presence
    44 Post contains images KEno : Agree. But MH offers excellent connection for travellers travel between EuropeAustralasia, EuropeSE Asia, SE AsiaAustralia, South AfricaFar East etc.
    45 RCS763AV : Really? CO in south america: GRU GIG BOG CLO soon CCS LIM UIO GYE EZE soon (i think) DL: SCL BOG CCS LIM GRU GIG soon EZE Sodeshare with AV: MDE CLO
    46 Hardiwv : RCS763AV: Sorry to say, but Skyteam is more interested in TAM's domestic network in Brazil (half of South America) rather than their "international ne
    47 RCS763AV : An alliance rarely welcomes a member for their domestic network. (unless its star) Really? I want to see the press release...
    48 MAS777 : I seem to recall that MAS and NWA still have Antitrust Immunity which was never exercised as a fallout after 9/11. MAS and NWA had originally planned
    49 LipeGIG : Agree. And note, TAM stopped accrual miles in AF flights (keep with code-share) and increase their relationship with AA. I do believe they become a n
    50 Post contains images NonRevKing : Hmmm, that's all news to me. No, they are not already in ST. That would be cool, but unfortunately they are not on the radar. No they don't. Neither
    51 Hardiwv : TAM is so uninportant that AA, the airline that dominates US-Latin America traffic, has selected only two partners in South America: LAN and TAM. Rgs
    52 RCS763AV : They selected JJ so they could sell more seats to Brazil as all of ther slots are already being used...the only partner they really use for connectio
    53 Hardiwv : Wrong! AA selected JJ to cover destinations in Brazil, since they codeshare on several domestic routes in Brazil. JJ provides AA with an important pl
    54 RCS763AV : B/C AA does not have any more slots to serve this cities!
    55 Hardiwv : You are really unware of the long-standing cooperation between AA and JJ: both airlines signed their codeshare in 1997. US-Brazil bilateral only star
    56 KLM685 : IMHO,for me it's actually kind of hard to think that Aeroflot would be of high relevance to the Skyteam network. I was watching most Aeroflot's route
    57 Justapassenger : Joy (Reply 39), I think that you are right. I would rank Jet as the most useful potential new member after SU, CZ and MAS. With AI looking to join ano
    58 Post contains images Flyer732 : As far as MEA goes, I think a lot of passengers from many portions of the world would frown on a connection to the middle east via BEY, the past and i
    59 Hardiwv : You are completely correct, the main interest of Sky in Aeroflot is because of its domestic network in Russia, the biggest country in the world. The
    60 B757 : Skyteam is looking for a member in South America, I heard a rumor (which I hope isn't truth) that Aerolineas Argentines could become the next Sky TEam
    61 Kahala777 : Why not? They service many cities including Sydney, and Auckland. You seem to have forgotten they intend to serve Peking? Regards - Kahala777
    62 KLMcedric : RCS763AV, You forgot that AF also serves Cayenne and KLM Paramaribo in South-America.
    63 KLM685 : That part of the world is decently covered by Korean. Decently because they don't have the presence as Star Alliance with SQ and QF.
    64 RCS763AV : Oh yea sorry its just the Guynanas are kinda separated from the rest of the continent cultural and economical wise. I still dont agree with the JJ th
    65 Hardiwv : Of course it will be OW. JJ ended its codeshare with AF some time ago. Rgs,
    66 EddieDude : Hey José (B757), welcome to the forums; look forward to reading your posts and discussing the threads with you. The rumor about AR is interesting. I
    67 B757 : Hi EddieDude!! Thanks for your welcome... Yesterday I went to the airport and a friend told me about Aerolineas Argentinas joining Skyteam. In Mexico
    68 KLM685 : Now you've got mail
    69 EddieDude : Yeah, the counter is probably in the SkyTeam check-in area mostly for space reasons. I mean, MX is next to UA, RG, US, etc. and it is clear that MX wi
    70 Post contains images Dolphinflyer : Austrian (OS) would be wise to join Skyteam. They'd be a much bigger player in that club than they currently are in Star Alliance, esp. in light of LH
    71 Fewsolarge : I never really got why they joined Star in the first place. MUC and FRA cast long shadows on VIE.
    72 EddieDude : Perhaps they did so in the expectation that belonging to a major alliance would increase their market value, and being ultimately acquired by Lufthans
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