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A380 Evac Test  
User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13253 times:

So.. Is there a date yet for the A380's evac test? Also, is it going to be (hopefully) the full possible pax # in the test or only partial?

Chris


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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13222 times:

Didn't they advertise in local gyms for 700 odd people to volunteer?
Seems to defeat the object by getting fit healthy gym goers to do the test!

Matt


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13195 times:

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
So.. Is there a date yet for the A380's evac test? Also, is it going to be (hopefully) the full possible pax # in the test or only partial?

I has to be full load in order to be legal, I believe.


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13166 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
I has to be full load in order to be legal, I believe.

That's what I thought.. I Was just going thru my bookmarks and found this article http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?model...7174&pathId=52&page=1&archive=true and reading others that mentioned that Airbus wants to do a partial evac to "Reduce the risk of injury" among participants..

However, you've gotta see what can happen..

I'm curious to see what the outcome will be..

chris



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13151 times:

It has to be full load in order to be legal, I believe.

I'm not 100% sure about the CAA/JAA, but with the FAA it will establish the max number of passengers the plane can carry.

The passengers must evacuate the aircraft with limited light and several doors locked out. The number of passengers that can get off the aircraft in the allotted time without major injury will be the number of certified passenger the plane can carry. With the Boeing 777, several people where injured during the first test and Boeing had to reduce the max passanger load. Airbus is selling this as a 550 passanger aircraft but guess what, if only 400 can get off...400 will be all it can carry.

[Edited 2005-05-15 22:52:51]


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User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13034 times:

Would definately be interesting to see what would happen if it would only certifiy to 400-450 people max..

Chris



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User currently offlineImperialAero From Canada, joined May 2005, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13021 times:

The A380 will have the maximum load of 853 passengers for the evac test. At the end of 90 seconds, with only 8 of the 16 exits in operation, the number of people safely evacuated will be the number of people it is certified to carry.

Seeing as the 777-300 is certified to carry 550 people, who exited from 5 of the 10 available exits on the respective test, it seems logical that upto 880 people would be able to get out of the 8 A380 exits.

Forecasts of Doom for the evacuation test seem like A380-bashers grasping at straws...

It's all a little sad really...



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12938 times:

Quoting ImperialAero (Reply 6):
Seeing as the 777-300 is certified to carry 550 people, who exited from 5 of the 10 available exits on the respective test, it seems logical that upto 880 people would be able to get out of the 8 A380 exits.

Forecasts of Doom for the evacuation test seem like A380-bashers grasping at straws...

It would interesting to see how the upper deck evac goes. I think we'll see some folks frozen at the door.


User currently offlineITA350 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12908 times:

I still think that for airbus to conduct the test fairly they should get average people with a different age span.

User currently offlineVT977 From India, joined May 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12889 times:

As I understand Airbus has to complete the EVAC test in 90 sec. How did they come up with that time frame?


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User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12792 times:

Quoting VT977 (Reply 9):
As I understand Airbus has to complete the EVAC test in 90 sec. How did they come up with that time frame?

That's the standard FAA-and-equivalent allowance for evacuating a maximum passenger load through half the available exits.

Rich


User currently offlineImperialAero From Canada, joined May 2005, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12665 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 7):
It would interesting to see how the upper deck evac goes. I think we'll see some folks frozen at the door

That's the problem with the simulated tests, as I'm sure in a real emergency situation, a lick of flames behind them would un-freeze anyone questioning their resolve...



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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12590 times:

Quoting ITA350 (Reply 8):
I still think that for airbus to conduct the test fairly they should get average people with a different age span.

You're right.That's the reason why the authorities made regulations about certain numbers of a specific age group that have to take part in the evacuation test. Hence the probands will be of all ages and not only young men.

pelican


User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12529 times:

Quoting ImperialAero (Reply 11):
That's the problem with the simulated tests, as I'm sure in a real emergency situation, a lick of flames behind them would un-freeze anyone questioning their resolve...

How do people get paid?

Maybe this is a little cynical, and not to mention probably not ethical or legal, but the aircraft maker could say "if we get X number of people, everyone gets $100. but if we get 2X people, you all get $250".

This test must cost a lot of money! Well worth it of course.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17185 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12518 times:

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 13):

Maybe this is a little cynical, and not to mention probably not ethical or legal, but the aircraft maker could say "if we get X number of people, everyone gets $100. but if we get 2X people, you all get $250".

This test must cost a lot of money! Well worth it of course.

To simulate emergency behavior, it's better to give money to those who make it out first.



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 1):
Didn't they advertise in local gyms for 700 odd people to volunteer?
Seems to defeat the object by getting fit healthy gym goers to do the test!

I think thats the point lol


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

Quoting ImperialAero (Reply 11):
That's the problem with the simulated tests, as I'm sure in a real emergency situation, a lick of flames behind them would un-freeze anyone questioning their resolve...

Trouble is the guy with the flames licking at his backside is at the end of the line vs. the guy frozen at the door being at the front of the line.


User currently offlineASAFA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11746 times:

Quoting VT977 (Reply 9):
As I understand Airbus has to complete the EVAC test in 90 sec. How did they come up with that time frame?

Studies were done showing that after 90 seconds the odds of survival if you're still inside a smoke-filled cabin drop to almost zero. This has been the amount of time used for every passenger aircraft in the sky.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11673 times:

Quoting ITA350 (Reply 8):
I still think that for airbus to conduct the test fairly they should get average people with a different age span.

IIRC there has to be a certain number of people over age 60. Even so, they'll probably be healthier and more fit than average, as older people with significant physical limitations aren't likely to volunteer for the test. There also won't be any children, which I suppose is unavoidable as it would be unethical to use children in a potentially dangerous test, and I would doubt if there'll be any disabled people.
Of course, these test limitations undoubtedly held true for tests of other aircraft types, but given the A380's sheer size they may be of greater concern.



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 7):
It would interesting to see how the upper deck evac goes. I think we'll see some folks frozen at the door.

I could have sworn I read an article, perhaps on Airbuses site itself, that the upper deck slides basically inflated with canopies over them, so that you couldn't really see how far down you were sliding, and how fair in the air you were. You would look down, and see the slide curving outward, and that's it. Makes great sense to me.



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10440 times:

what about mothers with young children? will they be included?

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10377 times:

Quoting ITA350 (Reply 8):
I still think that for airbus to conduct the test fairly they should get average people with a different age span.

Again, in order for the test to be certifiable, there are set age/mobility requirements and the amount of people necessary from each group.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10125 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 16):
Trouble is the guy with the flames licking at his backside is at the end of the line vs. the guy frozen at the door being at the front of the line.

quick kick up the backside would sort that out


User currently offlineZKEYE From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9974 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 22):
Quoting SATL382G (Reply 16):
Trouble is the guy with the flames licking at his backside is at the end of the line vs. the guy frozen at the door being at the front of the line.

quick kick up the backside would sort that out

And that's what anyone diddling around in front of me would get. No manners required in that situation!



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User currently offlineTavve From Sweden, joined Sep 2003, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

I read somewhere, probably on a.net, that the A380 evac will be carried out in a non dark environment. This to reduce the risk of injuries. Does anyone know more about this?


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25 Finkenwerder : The evac mock up is being used continuously at the moment prior to the real test. Will let you know more when there is more
26 DOC : I was told, that they used water tank, equivalent of the weight of 700 people.
27 Finkenwerder : They use people to the equivalent weight of ............people. Just like EASA asks them to.
28 Eha : The test will be done with Airbus employees, 800.
29 Morvious : Why in the world would it be interesting to see? Airbus would loose a fortune again just to set the plane's goal! Strong steward(es) at the door will
30 Post contains images Lightsaber : I would be very surprised if Airbus tests with less than the 880 target. That way if any passangers get scared and are unable to evacuate, the total
31 HT : The current issue of german aviation publication "Aero International" (not available online) has a feature article about the pending evac test. Some e
32 RedDragon : In other words, they can round the resulting time to the nearest ten seconds? Interesting that the upper and lower deck tests will be tested separate
33 UAalltheway : Is the cabin even fully outfitted yet?
34 HT : They will outfit one of the a/c used in the certification tests for this; I think it was #4.
35 Sabenapilot : Indeed HT, your source is correct: Airbus will NOT run a full show in which you will see an evacuation being demonstrated like you would (hopefully ne
36 Finkenwerder : Whilst I'm sure this is an august peridoical, I can confirm having actually been inside the mock up that ... 1. It's very high 2. Sports club members
37 AR385 : I was once in a 727-200 REAL evacuation due to no. 2 engine blowing up at V1. I exited via the R-1 slide. 1. I can tell you that unless the test inclu
38 HT : Nothing to worry about; I really appreciated reading your post ! HT
39 Jamesbuk : lets work this out 853 / 8 = 106.625 106.625/90=1.18472222R / = divide so that means they have to get pax out 1.18 a second sounds a little hard espec
40 MKEdude : Totally on topic, and more relevant than most. How can you accurately simulate an emergency situation? The 380 will get certified no matter what, but
41 AeroPiggot : I participated in the 777 evacuation test, and a passenger did freeze up at the door. The stewardess promptly pushed her out on the slide. The test is
42 Eg777er : I'm reminded of the Billy Connoly sketch: Ladies and Gentlemen, when we hit the water at 200mph calmly remove your lifejacket from its container and p
43 Post contains images 2H4 : I've always wondered....if you're evacuating in heavy rain, does this: Turn into this? 2H4
44 AR385 : 2H4, No, that's why you burn or chaff your lower extremities, including the one between your legs if you are unlucky. The slide is designed to prevent
45 NorCal : LOL that would be awesome!
46 Luv767s : That's why you shouldn't wear pants that are made of synthetic material because they will no longer be pants when you make it to the end of the slide
47 AJRfromSYR : On the slide or in a cabin fire you don't want your polyester melting to your legs.
48 Greasespot : Think of the fun careening off the end of the slide accross the pavement.....(while leaving a trail of skin behing) Jumping up and screaming .....Agai
49 PipoA380 : So would I! Anyway, 880 people out of 8 doors makes just about 110 per door, and if I count well 110 people in 90 seconds makes over one person per s
50 RedDragon : The doors are wide enough to (apparently) allow two people to exit at once, onto dual-laned slides, so it's not quite as difficult as it seems - alth
51 Airlinelover : Leave it to Airbus to find a way around a FULL evac.. Doing each deck seperately. I can see it now... ( In an emergency ) ALL PAX ON LOWER DECK- WE CA
52 Clipperhawaii : These tests are very necessary to determine the ultimate safe loads and should be run as realistically as possible. The fate of the success of this ai
53 KLM685 : As far as I know the A380 will be used among the so-called "First world countries". LHR-SIN-SYD...hmm very third world actually. And also I think you
54 RamerinianAir : This test is flawed! For all A/C not just Airbus. If you are jumping out of a door down a slide for the first time, there will be some hesitation, pro
55 Lincoln : I beleive this was one of the reasons why the testing style got changed from "parked on the ramp in full daylight with no smoke" to "more like actual
56 Ha763 : I don't have experience on full pax evac tests, but I was involved in an airline's evac test for a new aircraft type. This test required the FAs to o
57 Schooner : A little bit of food for thought for those criticising Airbus for carrying out the two deck evacs seperately: when Boeing certified the 777-300 they d
58 Supersonicsid : From an ex Boeing 747 captain, long since retired: The number of people safely "ejected" from the airplane in 90 secs will determine the maximum passe
59 Airlinelover : Schooner, that is a different situation. The 777 was already an established airplane, with the new version just being an "addition" to the family. The
60 Schooner : My point was to illustrate that in an ideal world proper realistic evacs would be carried out but it is evident that there can be a certain amount of
61 Brido : There is urgency!! Professional, motivated, well-trained FLIGHT ATTENDANTS. Rest assured that (quality) Flight Attendant training includes lots of in
62 AR385 : Clipperhawaii, As KLM685 said, you should learn more about the third world before making those unfortunate comments. The so called "third world" is c
63 Finkenwerder : There exists an interesting bit of software in the UK called AirExodus which can model evacuation scenarios very well. So well in fact it has been rec
64 RedDragon : Of course, if there was no link between the two decks - no grand staircase - then there would be little point in running the two decks' tests togethe
65 Airlinelover : Part of my F/A training was to make sure people got out FAST. And if it involved pushing or having someone push, then damn it that's what would be don
66 Schooner : Theres that word "theoretically".
67 Avek00 : Does anyone have a link indicating that the FAA will indeed accept two single-deck tests in lieu of a dual-deck test? I could've sworn reading somewh
68 Airlinelover : Avek- I heard that the FAA will NOT support a partial evac, which I guess this could be considered... Chris
69 MD-90 : Ever seen a flimsy MD-80 or 727 slide? I think one would be in far greater danger of falling off of one of those than exiting the A380. I can just pic
70 Airlinelover : Yes, actually, I have. AND, considering the importance of having a large # for certification, I'd think Airbus will make damn sure those slides aren't
71 Post contains images MD-90 : I think the 727 slide looks a little more substantial than the MD-80 one.
72 Airlinelover : From the pictures, I agree. However, it looks like the MD-80 slide is in the process of inflating. And, with airplanes as low to the ground as a 727 o
73 Hawker : Is it also a requirement for all evacuations that some flight crew be at the bottom of the slides to (a) keep passengers from piling up at the bottom,
74 Daus : The TLC channel program on the A380 shows the testing of the slides. the top part of the slide inflates as a wall straight across from the emergency
75 Ikramerica : Also, that was for the main deck, not the upper deck. That test was interesting. They beat the time for one door on the first try. But to get them sta
76 Post contains images Wingnut135 : Can you imagine if a.net was around when the 747 was going through certification? I remember seeing something on TV about one test that was performed
77 Airlinelover : Most airlines that I am familiar with assign pax to the bottom of the slides. They are part of the emergency prep (if we know we're going to be evacu
78 Ikramerica : That was at least 3 cents worth. IIRC, the reason the original 747 had a lounge upstairs and not seats was that it had no emergency slides and they wo
79 Post contains images Airlinelover : Hmm.. Then maybe if some of the airlines are looking to use one deck or the other for "extras" for pax (food/whatever) and the other for seating, the
80 Post contains images Litz : As shown in the TLC "First Flight" show on the A380, they do this for a couple of reasons ... 1) reasonably fit, healthy people are less likely to ge
81 Boeing7E7 : Just a simple though tor two on the matter: 1. During evac tests of the 747-400 people from the upper deck were in fact injured. It's a known liabilit
82 Lincoln : I know this is OT for this thread, but on the 737NG aren't the over wing exits permanately attached to the aircraft? (I believe they open out and up,
83 Post contains images FlyAUA : Anyways, whatever they are doing (or decide to do) for these evacuation tests, I am SURE there will be some kind of regulatory body that monitors the
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