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AA Mainline Back To GSO; RDU-PNS Gone  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

American Airlines mainline is returning to Greensboro after being absent since 2002. They will operate one daily M80 Dallas-Greensboro service starting 23 August 2005:

AA 2576 DFW 1244-1613 GSO
AA 2591 GSO 1655-1855 DFW

Also, I don't know if it ever started as planned two weeks ago, but weekend Raleigh-Pensacola service is gone.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5744 times:
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what was the purpose of RDU-PNS?


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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

Also, JFK-MIA will get a 7th daily flight, using 767-300 eqp.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

Little bit of a surprise...I was talking to an AAgent at GSO a week or so ago, and the only speculation they were having was a possible MIA flight...nothing about a mainline flight. Still, very exciting news, and not unexpected...Eagle has really expanded since I moved down there, starting with 3 daily ERJ-140s, up to 3 daily CRJ-700s, and then up to 6 daily ERJ-140s. I'll be quite happy to see this plane in GSO. This will leave only CO as the only legacy not having mainline full time at GSO (DL has ATL and CVG comes back in fall, NW has DTW, US has CLT and PHL occasionally, UA has ORD; CO only does mainline during Furniture Market time).

Jeff


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
and the only speculation they were having was a possible MIA flight..

That will be a daily ERJ-140 and it is set to start in November.



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User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5602 times:

Yes, RDU-PNS-RDU started. To bad it didn't last longer. I guess AA just wanted to test the waters. Most people would rather drive to RDU then pay $240+ RT to fly.  Smile

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

RDU-PNS-RDU.. still never got that one. Oh well. They come, they go.. Expectations for AA/AE at RDU are running pretty low.

Hopefully, RDUAA will take back some more gates since they have decreased flights by ~20%. Offer those gates to someone new.. whomever would want to come..



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

I was pretty certain that the RDU-PNS service was cut prior to it ever starting. It was taken out of the timetable in early/mid April. Still hoping for a 2nd PVD-DFW and the elusive PVD-MIA this winter...

User currently offlineCASInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4796 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

RDU -PNS was interesting, but if AA ever wants to try to compete with Delta/Airtran in that market, flying through RDU is going to be inportant. It can't be a weekend flight either. It would need to be daily. With delta having given up the Dallas Market, it leaves AA with a chance to gain market share in those gulf coast states. However not offering good east coast connections is not going to help.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
Hopefully, RDUAA will take back some more gates since they have decreased flights by ~20%. Offer those gates to someone new.. whomever would want to come

Interestingly, I saw a Spirit jet there today near the Observation deck. Probably just a charter...but one can hope.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

Quoting CASInterest (Reply 8):
RDU -PNS was interesting, but if AA ever wants to try to compete with Delta/Airtran in that market, flying through RDU is going to be inportant. It can't be a weekend flight either. It would need to be daily. With delta having given up the Dallas Market, it leaves AA with a chance to gain market share in those gulf coast states. However not offering good east coast connections is not going to help.

The flight had one purpose: make use of an ERJ-135 that would otherwise sit on the tarmac and do nothing on a weekend because of reduced schedules on business routes. It clearly wasn't making enough money to make it worth the fuel.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4796 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
The flight had one purpose: make use of an ERJ-135 that would otherwise sit on the tarmac and do nothing on a weekend because of reduced schedules on business routes. It clearly wasn't making enough money to make it worth the fuel.

Yeah I get that part, but it just doesn't make sence to offer a Pensacola RDU flight for 2 days on the weekend. There is nothing driving that market. Perhaps make it daily and use it as a New York/London connector.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

Effective 23 August, AA will also be adding a daily ORD-Omaha, Nebraska flight to compliment their five Eagle CRJ-700 flights.

User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
The flight had one purpose: make use of an ERJ-135 that would otherwise sit on the tarmac and do nothing on a weekend because of reduced schedules on business routes. It clearly wasn't making enough money to make it worth the fuel.

That was the best they could come up with, PNS? If I had a plane sitting around I would send it to a destination that could make money. NAS, MIA, FLL, PBI. Plenty of destinations would have been better than PNS.
What are they doing with it now?



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User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 7):
I was pretty certain that the RDU-PNS service was cut prior to it ever starting. It was taken out of the timetable in early/mid April.

Flights started as scheduled May 7th. And ended after only four flights.

5/7/05
05-07 13:16 EGF489 E135 Arrived from RDU First Flight
RDU.PACK5.AZELL..SPA..CEW..PENSI..PNS

05-07 14:00 EGF490 E135 Departed to RDU
PNS..CEW..CAE.BUZZY6.RDU

5/8/05
05-08 13:18 EGF489 E135 Arrived from RDU
05-08 14:05 EGF490 E135 Departed to RDU Last Flight


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

I stand corrected...

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Nice to see mainline returning to some of these all-Eagle markets

User currently offlineGsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

DeltAirlines said:
"I'll be quite happy to see this plane in GSO. This will leave only CO as the only legacy not having mainline full time at GSO (DL has ATL and CVG comes back in fall, NW has DTW, US has CLT and PHL occasionally, UA has ORD; CO only does mainline during Furniture Market time)."

Uhm, CO has a daily 737 to Newark, or at least 5 days a week as I see it every day. US has PHL and CLT fulltime with LGA a few times a week.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 16):
US has PHL and CLT fulltime with LGA a few times a week.

All GSO-LGA flights on USAirways Expres are ERJs.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

I don't remember seeing a US mainline flight up to PHL for some time now...schedule currently shows all CRJs and ERJs as well (this is through September). CLT does stay at mainline all the time...currently, I believe it's all 733s (with Express flights mixed in), but I have seen 734s on this route.

As for CO, all I see on mainline on them right now is a once a week (either Saturday or Sunday evening) 735 departure up to EWR...everything else is ERJs (including IAH).

Jeff


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

All CO service at GSO is ERJ except a Sunday night departure to EWR on a 735. All US PHL service is RJ as is LGA.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Also being loaded this Sunday, May 22:

- Eagle is reentering the DFW-CLT market
- Eagle is exiting the DFW-BNA market
- Eagle is exiting the RDU-STL market


User currently offlineGsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

I flew a mainline US Air flight to PHL three weeks ago.
I was at the airport two days last week and both days CO has 735s going to Newark for the evening flight around 6pm.

Iwas told that both of these are normal.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 20):
- Eagle is exiting the RDU-STL market

Interesting, so all flying will be done from the STL end on Connection ERJ's??


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 22):
Interesting, so all flying will be done from the STL end on Connection ERJ's?

I am not positive, but I think that the route will be discontinued completely. We will have to way and see when the schedule is loaded this weekend unless somebody else knows for sure.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 23):

I am not positive, but I think that the route will be discontinued completely. We will have to way and see when the schedule is loaded this weekend unless somebody else knows for sure.

Wow. I would be shocked to see it gone for good.



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25 BHMNONREV : As would I. I understand those flights to be very popular and the STL-RDU route was one rumored to possibly get some mainline re-instatement...
26 ERJ170 : This is a very interesting move by AA/AE.. seems they are dropping a LOT of routes during a time when traffic at RDU has grown by 8.7% in the past 4 m
27 Flyibaby : Since when did AE use CRJ-700's? I have never seen one of these in Eagle colors? Its sad to think that AE would pull out of PVD, CMH, PHL and FLL as t
28 ERJ170 : Sorry FliBaby.. I never flew Midway.. and someone I didn't like worked for them.. so I kinda boycotted them.. but would love for another airline to ma
29 A330323X : I'm sure US/HP would love to move their 5 gates to Terminal C with UA.. I'm sure they wouldn't. The US Airways Club at RDU is one of the newest in the
30 ERJ170 : Ahhh... forgot all about that club.. Well they will have to move eventually anyway because Terminal A is supposed to come down circa 2010 (even though
31 Commavia : Their first went into service in 2001 and today they operate 25, the maximum allowed under the AA pilot scope clause.
32 Post contains images Flyibaby : I remember back in 1997ish...when Eagle first bought the ERJ's, they made a big deal about why they decided to go with the ERJ instead of the CRJ..ec
33 LambertMan : If true, I will simply be shocked. After the AA St. Louis reorganization, Raleigh initially did well out of St. Louis and serves as one of the primar
34 Flyibaby : LambertMan How is Corporate Airlines doing out there as AA connection since the incident in MO a few months back?
35 Commavia : I agree. I would be surprised to see it cut as well, and I don't know for sure if Connection will reenter the market. All I do know for now is that E
36 LambertMan : Commavia, If that is the case, then I guess its discontinued for good unless it becomes: A. Strictly mainline (Doubtful) or B. Am. Conn. (Very possibl
37 RDUDDJI : It's good to see AA mainline back at GSO. Add me to the list of surprised to see RDU losing STL service (if that is the case). ERJ170, Unfortunately,
38 Commavia : I totally disagree. First of all, AA did not ever codeshare with Midway, only had a marketing and FF alliance, and they did not drop it by choice, th
39 MAH4546 : The changes have been uploaded. RDU-STL is staying, it is just switching back to AmericanConnection.
40 CasInterest : Makes sense that AA wouldn't drop St Louis, unless the O&D is really bad. Right now, RDU's traffic numbers indicate that anyone dropping service is nu
41 Commavia : That settles it then -- RDU-STL will remain intact, just revert back to American Connection.
42 Post contains images BHMNONREV : If this is the case, with the shortage of airframes that LambertMan noted, which routes out of STL will take the hit? Can anyone check the numbers of
43 Commavia : There is no way AA RDU could support flights to places like Pensacola, Mobile or Tallahassee. At ATL, DL has 757s and 767s from the Northeast feeding
44 CasInterest : There is no way AA RDU could support flights to places like Pensacola, Mobile or Tallahassee. At ATL, DL has 757s and 767s from the Northeast feeding
45 MAH4546 : Eagle and RegionsAir (formerly Corporate) have nothing to do with each other, so it is not the latter. The idea is shelved because the flights are on
46 Flyibaby : AAdvantage was a huge reason. Keep in mind, it wasn't just about earning miles or anything, Midway was hauling American's AAirpass holders around wit
47 ERJ170 : Au contraire.. AA does have a contract with RDU for 10 gates in Terminal C.. but much like the other airlines, it has been reverted to month-to-month
48 MAH4546 : They will be at 65 daily flights in July. The maximum they were at recently was 78.
49 LambertMan : I knew it, they wouldn't drop RDU at the LF's they have been getting. Reasonable logic would dictate that there aren't many leisure passengers on that
50 Womack17 : Just got back in town. Flew the ISO-ATL-PBI Delta Flight - Wish it was from EWN but ISO is certainly better than driving to RDU to redeem my Skymiles
51 Delta767 : I see a couple of days the next week or so with CO mainline on the last evening departure from GSO-EWR, but then I dont see it anymore. Has it been pu
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