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EU Ministers Agree Tax On Flying  
User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

A voluntary air travel tax to fund aid for the world's poor was agreed in principle at the European finance ministers' meeting on Saturday.
The ministers are using the two-day session to talk about European economic growth and redesigning euro coins to reflect the larger European Union.

The Franco-German proposal for an aviation tax will see a tax on airline tickets.

Another option - a tax on jet fuel was rejected.


Full article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4545123.stm



Is this such a good idea? As it is global commercial aviation has barely recovered from 9/11... and now more tax? And tax to aid poor countries! Money hardly ever solves problems related to povert. Billions of dollars are already forwarded in the form of aids and loans via UN, World Bank, IMF and hundreds of other "taxes" to poor countries. Problems such as corruption, etc can not be solved with money.

How does our European friends feel about paying another tax that seems to go no where? Will non-EU nationals flying into Euro zone be also forced to pay this tax? Interesting that tax on jet fuel was rejected, but direct tax with purchase of an airline ticket was not. What's the difference? Ultimately cost of all taxes are eventually passed on the end buyers - customers.


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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

I much prefer the suggestion by EasyJet...."look to the oil industry if they want to solve world poverty."

I would say more so than trying to tax the flying public. Or even better, if they are real serious, take a percentage of their taxes on gasoline to create this " Tackle Poverty in Africa Fund".

The thing is, we elect these bozos and if they really cared about poverty in Africa, they would do something about it. It seems that they really want to get a tax going on aviation fuel.......I can just see them rubbing their hands....and the horrendous thing is, not one dime will ever see Africa!


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

I couldn´t find any indication on how much this tax will be ...
Any word on this yet ?



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Yet again the poor bloody air traveler is the milsch-cow for the tax coffers. When will they realise that air travel is no longer a luxury, but for many people, its the only way to get around ?

I think a windfall profit tax on the oil industry and privatised utilities is far more appropriate.


User currently offlineSNBru From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1950 times:

I thought i was a voluntary air travel tax. It is up to the passengers to decide if they want to pay the tax or not.

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

I just love how the politicians try to cover their bases. They want to increase taxes, so they pick a cause that is hard to argue against (African relief). If someone is against it they are either heartless or a racist. They realized that there was no way the idea of an aviation fuel tax would be approved (even with the support of the luddite greeens), so they went to an additional ticket tax. They realize that even this tax will not be approved, so they change it again to a "voluntary tax", with the stated intention of making it manditory over time.

This has nothing to do with EU verses USA, as our politicians are the same.

I submit that if this has almost nothing to do with African relief, and everything to do with taxing authority, political power, and building bureaucracies.

The EU could redirect the same or more monies from thier budgets that is presently being wasted on politico's fact finding beach trips, or blue ribbon commissions looking into mating habits of cockroaches....And the average Joe gets suckered out of his money again under the guise of good intentions.

Sorry, spell checker is not working.


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Tend to agree with you DLPMMM.


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User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting SNBru (Reply 4):
I thought i was a voluntary air travel tax. It is up to the passengers to decide if they want to pay the tax or not.

Nothing is ever volutary. If you read the article it says France, Germany and Belgium intend to make it a MANDATORY tax. I think it says 2-3 Euro range. Nonetheless, when companies like ExxonMobil, BP, etc are making sky-high profit why is it that us the air travelers have to pay yet one more tax? Especially for a reason that makes no sense - throwing MORE money at poverty won't solve.



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User currently offlineAMSSpotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Most EU countries have agreed on spending 0.7% of their annual budgets on development aid but only a few countries currently meet that standard. I can very well live with that standard but raising money as development aid by taxing air travel makes no sense and is unwise. The aviation industry is having a hard time already and imposing extra taxes is not going to make things easier.

According to an article in today's newspaper "De Telegraaf", the extra tax is indeed voluntarily and Finance-minister Zalm commented that probably nobody is even willing to pay this voluntarily tax.

[Edited 2005-05-16 19:39:29]

User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Oh great, another tax by the EU. Because 20% sales tax isnt enough. Airport taxes arnt doing it either. Hmm, another fund financed by the hard working europeans, so some corrupt or inept gocernment officials can just reach into the charity pot and laugh all the way to the bank. The EU needs to realize that it is was created to serve the interests and the needs of Europe, not the third world. It is up to the individual member states to decide these matters. Now, they want to invade a necessary part of commerce (air travel) and stick us, who make the wheels of comerce turn, with the bill! The EU needs to re-evaluate its initial mission. EUROPE. There is still plenty of work it can do here.

[Edited 2005-05-16 20:38:19]


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User currently offlineWhiskeyHotel From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

EU Ponders New Tax On Flying (by Joni May 14 2005 in Civil Aviation) for additional arguments. Most of us seem to be opposed...but that doesn't seem to stop politicians. At the root of most human behaviour you'll find money. It's fungible power. The more taxes the politicians collect, the more collective power they have. Bend over, Europe...the parasite army's on the march. I'd like to propose a 10% VDT (Value-Deducted Tax) levied on politicians personally which charges them a percentage of the bloat and drag they add to the economy with each successive hare-brained scheme.

Isn't it cool that in a Democracy you can expect a vote to choose your leaders about 10 times in an average lifetime. Seems fair to me. Oh well, guess it's the best system out there...but that ain't saying much.


User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

There is less agreement on this tax among European Ministers than is being suggested.

Ireland, for one, has said it is not interested, and there was a report of an interview with the Irish Minister for Finance in the Irish Times today which is worth a look.

That site requires registration so cannot lgive a link.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

If they want to help to reduce povery how about eliminating export subsidies on agricultrual products?Could it be that Chirac owes his political life to the farm lobby?

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