RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4179 posts, RR: 45 Posted (8 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1724 times:
Hi folks,
Didn't know whether to post this thread up in the military or civil aviation forum since it concerns a bit of both. I decided to post it up here.
Many aircraft mnufacteres are active both in the military and civil air market. Such an example is Boeing or then again Lockheed!
Airbus has always focused on civil aviation as far as I know, but I was wondering if plans for it to build military planes have already been discussed!
Regards
BM
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LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1880 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1521 times:
Currently Airbus has the following military planes on sale:
*A310MRT
*A330MRT
*A400M
Now I could see the Eurofighter project being put under the Airbus Military program in the future as it's being build by the same companies that form Airbus. Eurofighter can also use the big Airbus PR-machine.
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1472 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 4):
Now I could see the Eurofighter project being put under the Airbus Military program in the future as it's being build by the same companies that form Airbus. Eurofighter can also use the big Airbus PR-machine
Alenia isn't an Airbus company, and Italian companies don't own a part of Airbus, though they do contract work for both Airbus and Boeing. Moreover, there is no French participation in the Eurofighter, and I don't think the French would want the Eurofighter to be able to benefit from the "Airbus PR-machine" since it would interfere with Rafale and Mirage sales.
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Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1467 times:
Quoting VS74741R (Reply 5): I thought it was too big to replace the C130. I heard it was to compete with the C17. Is that right, or did I get it wrong?
It fits somewhere in the middle capacitywise, but rolewise it is supposed to be a C130 replacement.
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Eha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1467 times:
A400M is an Airbus military A/C.
It will be developped and built like a commercial A/C (certified like a civil and military A/C). Some equipment will be taken from existing commercial A/C (I believe, APU is A320 one and some flaps will be from A340)...
avionics/cockpit developped in Toulouse. Again, expect re-use/derivatives from A380 IMA (Integrated Modular Avionics).
Sabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2697 posts, RR: 49 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1475 times:
Not wanting to criticize anybody in person, but I must say I am stunned by the lack of knowledge many of us have about the existence of the A400M.
On numerous occasions I have met people who can tell you all possible details about the Airbus product line and their progress on all-new developments like the A350-800/-900 or the A380-800/-900, yet have never heard about that other all-new plane airbus is designing in parallel to all those above: the A400!
The A400 is set to be a modern, multi-role airlifter aimed at replacing the fleets of C-130 Hercules and C-160 Transall in service with the air forces around the world. The A400 has more than twice the payload and volume of the aircraft it will replace. The A400 is designed to civil certification standards complemented where appropriate by specific military requirements. The aircraft design incorporates leading state-of-the-art technology including:
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7993 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1397 times:
They kind of are already. Airbus is a subsidiary of EADS and EADS does alot of military work, among other things. Although not as directly involved as Boeing, Airbus certainly does do some gov't and military work already.
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1880 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1376 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6): Moreover, there is no French participation in the Eurofighter, and I don't think the French would want the Eurofighter to be able to benefit from the "Airbus PR-machine" since it would interfere with Rafale and Mirage sales.
Word is that Dassault and Eurofighter are looking into more cooperation. So, who knows what the future will hold. Both companies realise that they are to small to survive on their own.
Eha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1333 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6): Moreover, there is no French participation in the Eurofighter, and I don't think the French would want the Eurofighter to be able to benefit from the "Airbus PR-machine" since it would interfere with Rafale and Mirage sales.
But EADS is part of Eurofighter. So...your assumption ("no french participation") is wrong. Even if the EADS part of Eurofighter is german, EADS is a company with "french" shareolders.
Monteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 31 Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1325 times:
Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter): Airbus has always focused on civil aviation as far as I know, but I was wondering if plans for it to build military planes have already been discussed!
They have sold at least 5 A330MRT's to the Royal Australian Air Force, as well as developing the A400M. There are also several A310 Military aircraft flying...
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11): Word is that Dassault and Eurofighter are looking into more cooperation. So, who knows what the future will hold. Both companies realise that they are to small to survive on their own.
So if Dassault buys into EADS, only Alenia on the Eurofighter side is outside. Of course the problem with Alenia is that it is a major Boeing contractor as well.
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LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1880 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 15): So if Dassault buys into EADS, only Alenia on the Eurofighter side is outside. Of course the problem with Alenia is that it is a major Boeing contractor as well.
Well, Stork in The Netherlads is a big Airbus contracter, but also won a big Boeing contract for the new B747 Supertransporter. I think a company can work on both things, you just need to make good and clear rules.
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 17): Well, Stork in The Netherlads is a big Airbus contracter, but also won a big Boeing contract for the new B747 Supertransporter. I think a company can work on both things, you just need to make good and clear rules.
As long as they aren't a shareholder in EADS, it isn't likely to be a problem. The question is how does EADS fully integrate the Eurofighter into its offerings with Alenia (and BAE) outside.
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Squirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter): Airbus has always focused on civil aviation as far as I know, but I was wondering if plans for it to build military planes have already been discussed!
Airbus Military has been around for years. . . There are now eight European Countries involved in the 400m Program, South Africa I belive is number Eight.
I have a cuple questions - -
Where do they build the aircraft? (Obviously if you take a look in the pictures that is not Farbrough or TLS . . )
Where are they tested?
Eha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1147 times:
Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 19): Where do they build the aircraft? (Obviously if you take a look in the pictures that is not Farbrough or TLS . . )
Where are they tested?
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