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Could Airbus Go Military?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Hi folks,
Didn't know whether to post this thread up in the military or civil aviation forum since it concerns a bit of both. I decided to post it up here.


Many aircraft mnufacteres are active both in the military and civil air market. Such an example is Boeing or then again Lockheed!
Airbus has always focused on civil aviation as far as I know, but I was wondering if plans for it to build military planes have already been discussed!

Regards

BM


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User currently offlineAntiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

They've pitched a tanker version of the A330 to compete with Boeing's 767 to the US Air Force, if I recall correctly.


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Yes they are actually bussy with Some military projects on the moment...

1 is the A330 tanker
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Photo © Kristof Jonckheere




and the second is the C-130 replacement, with over 190 orders or so , its called the A400

http://www.airbusmilitary.com/

[Edited 2005-05-16 10:01:01]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2358 times:
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As what has been said already, Airbus do build military aircraft.

A330 fuel tanker to compete with B767 fuel tanker
A400 military transport


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Currently Airbus has the following military planes on sale:

*A310MRT
*A330MRT
*A400M

Now I could see the Eurofighter project being put under the Airbus Military program in the future as it's being build by the same companies that form Airbus. Eurofighter can also use the big Airbus PR-machine.

Cheers!



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User currently offlineVS74741R From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 2):
and the second is the C-130 replacement, with over 190 orders or so , its called the A400

I thought it was too big to replace the C130. I heard it was to compete with the C17. Is that right, or did I get it wrong?



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 4):

Now I could see the Eurofighter project being put under the Airbus Military program in the future as it's being build by the same companies that form Airbus. Eurofighter can also use the big Airbus PR-machine

Alenia isn't an Airbus company, and Italian companies don't own a part of Airbus, though they do contract work for both Airbus and Boeing. Moreover, there is no French participation in the Eurofighter, and I don't think the French would want the Eurofighter to be able to benefit from the "Airbus PR-machine" since it would interfere with Rafale and Mirage sales.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting VS74741R (Reply 5):
I thought it was too big to replace the C130. I heard it was to compete with the C17. Is that right, or did I get it wrong?

It fits somewhere in the middle capacitywise, but rolewise it is supposed to be a C130 replacement.



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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

A400M is an Airbus military A/C.

It will be developped and built like a commercial A/C (certified like a civil and military A/C). Some equipment will be taken from existing commercial A/C (I believe, APU is A320 one and some flaps will be from A340)...

avionics/cockpit developped in Toulouse. Again, expect re-use/derivatives from A380 IMA (Integrated Modular Avionics).

E.


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2728 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Not wanting to criticize anybody in person, but I must say I am stunned by the lack of knowledge many of us have about the existence of the A400M.

On numerous occasions I have met people who can tell you all possible details about the Airbus product line and their progress on all-new developments like the A350-800/-900 or the A380-800/-900, yet have never heard about that other all-new plane airbus is designing in parallel to all those above: the A400!

The A400 is set to be a modern, multi-role airlifter aimed at replacing the fleets of C-130 Hercules and C-160 Transall in service with the air forces around the world. The A400 has more than twice the payload and volume of the aircraft it will replace. The A400 is designed to civil certification standards complemented where appropriate by specific military requirements. The aircraft design incorporates leading state-of-the-art technology including:

-) High performance turboprop engines, allowing operation in civil air traffic control environment.
http://www.airbusmilitary.com/gallery/a400mfinalsturn1024.jpg

-) Fly-by-wire Flight Control System with sidestick control and Flight Envelope Protection, already proven in Airbus commercial aircraft.
http://www.airbusmilitary.com/gallery/a400mcockpit1024.jpg

-) High flotation landing gear, allowing operation from short, unpaved airfields.
http://www.airbusmilitary.com/gallery/a400mdesertland1024.jpg

-) Advanced structural design incorporating extensive use of composite materials, more so than on the 787 even!
http://www.airbusmilitary.com/gallery/a400mfrancazal1024.jpg

Once certified, the A400 will also be offered to civil cargo airlines and Airbus expect modest sales.

edit: added some pictures

[Edited 2005-05-16 12:18:28]

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

They kind of are already. Airbus is a subsidiary of EADS and EADS does alot of military work, among other things. Although not as directly involved as Boeing, Airbus certainly does do some gov't and military work already.


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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
Moreover, there is no French participation in the Eurofighter, and I don't think the French would want the Eurofighter to be able to benefit from the "Airbus PR-machine" since it would interfere with Rafale and Mirage sales.

Word is that Dassault and Eurofighter are looking into more cooperation. So, who knows what the future will hold. Both companies realise that they are to small to survive on their own.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11):
Both companies realise that they are to small to survive on their own.

And with that I mean the military division of Dassault, not the executive jets. However, Airbus businessjets.... Big grin

Cheers!



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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
Moreover, there is no French participation in the Eurofighter, and I don't think the French would want the Eurofighter to be able to benefit from the "Airbus PR-machine" since it would interfere with Rafale and Mirage sales.

But EADS is part of Eurofighter. So...your assumption ("no french participation") is wrong. Even if the EADS part of Eurofighter is german, EADS is a company with "french" shareolders.


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Airbus has always focused on civil aviation as far as I know, but I was wondering if plans for it to build military planes have already been discussed!

They have sold at least 5 A330MRT's to the Royal Australian Air Force, as well as developing the A400M. There are also several A310 Military aircraft flying...



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11):
Word is that Dassault and Eurofighter are looking into more cooperation. So, who knows what the future will hold. Both companies realise that they are to small to survive on their own.

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/050511/323/filem.html

So if Dassault buys into EADS, only Alenia on the Eurofighter side is outside. Of course the problem with Alenia is that it is a major Boeing contractor as well.



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User currently offlineLazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Airbus are too safe to go military!!!
Bombs away!!!
No because it might hurts someone...

-lazyshaun-



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 15):
So if Dassault buys into EADS, only Alenia on the Eurofighter side is outside. Of course the problem with Alenia is that it is a major Boeing contractor as well.

Well, Stork in The Netherlads is a big Airbus contracter, but also won a big Boeing contract for the new B747 Supertransporter. I think a company can work on both things, you just need to make good and clear rules.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 17):
Well, Stork in The Netherlads is a big Airbus contracter, but also won a big Boeing contract for the new B747 Supertransporter. I think a company can work on both things, you just need to make good and clear rules.

As long as they aren't a shareholder in EADS, it isn't likely to be a problem. The question is how does EADS fully integrate the Eurofighter into its offerings with Alenia (and BAE) outside.



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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Airbus has always focused on civil aviation as far as I know, but I was wondering if plans for it to build military planes have already been discussed!

Airbus Military has been around for years. . . There are now eight European Countries involved in the 400m Program, South Africa I belive is number Eight.





I have a cuple questions - -

Where do they build the aircraft? (Obviously if you take a look in the pictures that is not Farbrough or TLS . . )
Where are they tested?


User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 19):
Where do they build the aircraft? (Obviously if you take a look in the pictures that is not Farbrough or TLS . . )
Where are they tested?

FAL is in Spain, close to Sevilla (EADS-CASA).


User currently offlineCymro From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 19):
I have a cuple questions - -

Where do they build the aircraft? (Obviously if you take a look in the pictures that is not Farbrough or TLS . . )
Where are they tested?

Try this link it gives an idea of work share.

http://www.defence.com/prog5.aspx


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