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Independence Air/ Unbelievable Fare Sale  
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Whatever works. How long can they keep doing this?

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050516/dcm029.html?.v=10

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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6829 times:

That's $150 IAD-LAX or IAD-LAS round trip. I'm having a hard time finding DEN-MCI for less than $300 and that's only 540 miles, not 2300 miles for half the money.

User currently offlinePosti From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

FYI I've payed $19 each way on IND - IAD on DH in the past. The CRJ was half full, I have no idea how they make any $ but I like the fares.

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6712 times:

I wish they flew out to DEN. I'd try them for that kind of money, but not too far into the future.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11457 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Thread starter):
How long can they keep doing this?

Not very much longer.

Quoting Posti (Reply 2):
FYI I've payed $19 each way on IND - IAD on DH in the past. The CRJ was half full, I have no idea how they make any $ but I like the fares.

They aren't making money, they are losing it -- lots of it! They are just desperate for cash to keep their operations going but they are losing so much and drawing down so much debt that this equation (low fares, and still low load factors) won't be able to work too much longer.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6703 times:

I needed to fly to HPN this week, looked flying em out of DTW. $370 for a same day round trip. NK and NW are asking $250, DTW-LGA. I'm flying Spirit since Spirit Plus was only $17 more each way. Sorry FlyI, maybe if you were competitive on an everyday price, you wouldn't have to give seats away!

User currently offlineZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

I've flown FLYI a few times and found them to be very good and reliable....and about 75% loads.

That's $150 IAD-LAX or IAD-LAS round trip. I'm having a hard time finding DEN-MCI for less than $300 and that's only 540 miles, not 2300 miles for half the money.

You want to talk about inequity? How about a roundtrip PHL-BUF nonstop this summer. The 278 miles will cost anywhere between $495 - $582 on US. For $308 you can get nonstop r/t BUF-PIT (186 miles). What a bargain!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

And I-Air stated that its yeilds and financial performance would improve over the summer season due to higher demand and the introduction of the A319s.

These fares do have limited availability, but these very low prices are going to have a big impact on I-Air's finances....many do not think that I-Air will make it through the end of the year. I hope the analysts are wrong, but this type of wholesale fare sale is not a great sign.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

When an airline says limited availability, how many seats are they talking about? Would it be as much as half the seats?

I just can't see many bookings outside of these special deals. If the price and schedule are the same, most people go with a major. I'm not a fan of that because the little guy is often the reason for the sale fare on the major, but that's reality. However, I can't see anyone matching these almost give away fares.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Keep it up...and then we'll see more of this...  Smile



Shot this on the ramp of OKC last week - sorry for the poor quality, had to take a quick shot from SW 59th St.

Link to the photo itself: http://flytoledo.com/gallery2/main.p..._view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=3064


User currently offline1millionflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6484 times:

there are also 6 DH CRJ's sitting in Tucson. I just saw them there this morning. The tails had the "I" removed inside the white circle.

so that is 12 of these CRJ's parked plus the ones they sold.

I better use my free ticket on them very soon!


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Then only thing that's unbelievable is how they are still in business. I guess they must be doing something right, because they should have run out of money by now.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

Quoting 1millionflyer (Reply 10):
there are also 6 DH CRJ's sitting in Tucson. I just saw them there this morning. The tails had the "I" removed inside the white circle.

so that is 12 of these CRJ's parked plus the ones they sold.

There are actually 7 in OKC. It is hidden behind the 3rd and 4th tail if you look closely (count directly across).


User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Is it possible those are the ones returned in Feb?

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

When will we be saying "goodbye" to DH??

Thanks


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

What's that Lauda 737 doin' in OKC? Lease?

User currently offlineHavaloc From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

They need to adopt a WN pricing model. DH is either way too low, or way too high. There is never any fares in the middle.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 5):
Sorry FlyI, maybe if you were competitive on an everyday price, you wouldn't have to give seats away!


[Edited 2005-05-17 22:27:22]


DC-9
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Like him or hate him, Mike Boyd has some related comments in this week's "Hot Flash" at:

http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm

Check out: "Survivor: RJ"


User currently offlineIADguy73 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

Why is everyone wish DH to fail? Ok so they are not doing so great right now, but they are not the only one in bad shape. Besides United has been in Ch 11 for 30 agonizing months with no end in sight. I'm tired of propping up ailing airlines with my tax dollars.

User currently offlineMidway2AirTran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

"So far, the big winner seems to be Sherwin-Williams."
This refering to the Regionals shifting operations from carrier to carrier from the Mike Boyd "Survivor RJ" link above. Quite funny and realistic approach to the situation!



"Life is short, but your delay in ATL is not."
User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

The "amazing fare sale" is a classic sign of an airline in its final death-throws. I remember the same thing happening at Eastern Airlines, Pan American World Airways, Braniff and so many others. If history repeats itself, Independence Air is not long for this world. I give it one or two months at the most. I feel badly for the staff who went for the ride on this now-sad experiment in growing from a regional to a major.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

DH failing...just in time to help UA for the summer at IAD.

Keep lowerin' them fares, boys...Glenn and Jake will take time out to attend your funeral.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12904 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5250 times:
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Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):

They aren't making money, they are losing it -- lots of it! They are just desperate for cash to keep their operations going but they are losing so much and drawing down so much debt that this equation (low fares, and still low load factors) won't be able to work too much longer.

Well said. Enthusiast or not, one must accept that an airline is a business that must be run as a business.

Quoting Havaloc (Reply 16):
They need to adopt a WN pricing model. DH is either way too low, or way to high. There is never any fares in the middle.

Interesting. While I have no facts to back you up, it does seem like DH fire sales or charges more than the market will bear. I have liked the idea of this plucky little airline since day 1. But... The market is brutal. Is their enough demand anywhere to accept their CRJ's? Does anyone know what the resale market for CRJ's is right now?

Quoting Midway2AirTran (Reply 19):
"So far, the big winner seems to be Sherwin-Williams."

 rotfl  Good one!

While I don't want any one airline to fail, I do wish those that lack a viable business case to get out of the game to make room for those that are managed half decently. Yes, I know people will loose jobs, but businesses should be run with decent return on assets and decent income vs. revenue (~15% in such a mature industry).

I'm sticking with my prediction that DH has 60 days. Oh... that would be about 53 left...

Lightsaber



Societies that achieve a critical mass of ideas achieve self sustaining growth; others stagnate.
User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 12):
There are actually 7 in OKC. It is hidden behind the 3rd and 4th tail if you look closely (count directly across).

I think there are 8 DH CRJ'S in OKC, cause another one arrived today 16May



I don't care who you fly just as long as you fly
User currently offlineDOC From Canada, joined May 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

They won't last too long, look what happenned at Jetsgo in Canada

25 Bicoastal : Actually, I don't know how UA can absorb the passengers. Their flights and those of Express are full, full, full out of Dulles. Of course, without In
26 IFly4UAL : Some of you would have had Independence out of the game a month after they started, but yet here they are, almost a year later, still airborne. Until
27 BNE : I thought it was hilarious, though I thought that Episode 1 should have been United Bankruptcy and Independence Air going it alone. In the past Air W
28 Flightopsguy : Any comments on FlyI's 10-Q statement just filed? I can't quite figure out their cash position from the statement, other then their resources are subs
29 Lindy : We had a discussion between ourselves (group of aviaton nuts from DC area). We think that Indy wanted to loose those CRJs in favor of 319s. They didn'
30 Lightsaber : Read the Boyd report and I have to say I agree that there is going to be quite a dance to place RJ's when this is done. Yes, but until they can find
31 Ouboy79 : That would make 8 then. Not sure on the Laudia 733...we get a lot of interesting birds in OKC all the time. Usually heading to the AAR facility for m
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