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Hawaiian Airlines To San Jose  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33009 posts, RR: 71
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Hawaiian Airlines will begin daily San Jose-Honolulu service on 1 October 2005.

This will help fill the gap being left by American Airlines, who is ending service from Mineta to Honolulu and Maui on 1 July 2005.

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User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

Why is AA pulling out of SJC-HNL/OGG? Poor loads?

Anthony


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

This will be a nice sight down at SJC. It will be interesting which terminal they use. I sure hope they are going to use and American gate so they have a jetway. It will be punishment to use air stairs to board a 767 down at the gloomy terminal C. Congrats SJC and HA.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Yet another mainline route abandoned by AA...  Yeah sure

Congrats to SJC! The HA flight is much better-timed in both directions than the AA flight has been. I'm sure it will do well.


User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Im waiting to see where the a/c is coming from??? HA is tapped out on 763's!!! Who is losing service??


You mad Bro???
User currently offlineMikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4607 times:
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I about spilled my coffee with joy when I read this...we'll gladly take another wide-body. This is a total surprise. Yippee!!!!!!

I could see HA using the A1A or A1B gates in the international side of Terminal A. I think C is pretty tapped out and really doesn't have the room for heavies.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Mikesairways: I think you may be right. I'll also guess that the Int'l gates will be used. They are not getting much use otherwise.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineQQFLYER28 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4564 times:

Sweet. Congrats to SJC. Just in time for my October trip to LIH.

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Now that HA is exiting bankruptcy, they will have the opportunity to expand both their fleet (with more 763s and possibly 762s), and more routes (either new cities more flights). Congratulations SJC!


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User currently offline777boy From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Is everyone forgetting that Hawaiian is an AA AAdvantage partner? I'd bet AA codeshares on this flight, and handles the checkin/ground work/etc.

Per this, they could park at the international terminal or AA could reconfigure either A8 or A15 to handle widebodies again. I remember back when the 777s to NRT and TPE and the 767 to CDG used A15 and the 767s to JFK and BOS used A8. Ah, the glory days of SJC!

-Matt


User currently offlineN659AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Perhaps this was a lost opportunity for AQ???

In AQ's defense, you can't blame them because the AA's exit from the market was not a reality a few months ago when AQ made the decision to return a/c back to lessors Even though they have returned (or are returning) 73Gs back to lessors, SJC COULD have been a real opportunity for them.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

I'd like to see where HA get a free 763 from to fly the route!

What other widebody flights are there at SJC, besides AA-772-NRT?

Rob!


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting Alexinwa (Reply 4):
Im waiting to see where the a/c is coming from??? HA is tapped out on 763's!!! Who is losing service??

Just what I was wondering too. I've already heard that they'll be short planes for the current service by this fall, so where are they getting the planes from? Every one of their current flights is full so there's no 'empty route' to pull a plane from.

Hopefully it means there's more planes on the way, but I haven't heard anything about it.

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2364 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see AQ come in with OGG-SJC. They did that sucessfully in SMF and SAN, and not so sucessfully in PHX. AQ should be out of Ch. 11 sometime in the next 6 months along with HA. Then they can take over the world (wouldn't that be nice  Smile)

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33009 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Quoting 777boy (Reply 9):
Is everyone forgetting that Hawaiian is an AA AAdvantage partner? I'd bet AA codeshares on this flight, and handles the checkin/ground work/etc.

AA and HA only codeshare on intra-Hawai'i, not mainland-Hawai'i.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2364 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

DL does all of HA's ground handling at atleast SEA, PDX, SFO, SMF (I've been to these) so they might be doing it at SJC also.

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4200 times:

Quoting Alexinwa (Reply 4):
Im waiting to see where the a/c is coming from??? HA is tapped out on 763's!!! Who is losing service??

Service to both SEA and LAX will be temporarily cut back until more aircraft are acquired.
Presently, HA has 3 times per week HNL-SEA-HNL flights 23/24 which will be suspended when the new SJC flights commence, leaving just the daily HNL-SEA-HNL flight 21/22 on this route.
In addition, HA will reduce the current daily HNL-LAX-HNL flights 3/4 to just 3 times per week once SJC starts in October.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 16):
Service to both SEA and LAX will be temporarily cut back until more aircraft are acquired.

That figures. More of Robbing Peter to pay Paul. I can't count the number of times I've heard passengers complain about HA starting a route then cutting or reducing service (PDX-OGG, SAN-OGG, SEA-OGG, LAX-OGG, SFO-OGG, ONT-HNL etc) to start a different route flying a few times per week.

Gotbaum/Dunkerley - GET MORE PLANES! YOU'VE NEEDED THEM SINCE YOU TURNED BACK THE LAST TWO 767's UPON ENTERING BANKRUPTCY! All you're doing is pissing off the passengers!

Rant off.

HAL



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33009 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 17):
That figures. More of Robbing Peter to pay Paul. I can't count the number of times I've heard passengers complain about HA starting a route then cutting or reducing service (PDX-OGG, SAN-OGG, SEA-OGG, LAX-OGG, SFO-OGG, ONT-HNL etc) to start a different route flying a few times per week.

You've got to be kidding.

This is business. They can't just fly more and more flights for fun. They need to maximize their allocation of resources, and that is clearly what they are doing.



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3977 times:
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Quoting HAL (Reply 17):
That figures. More of Robbing Peter to pay Paul. I can't count the number of times I've heard passengers complain about HA starting a route then cutting or reducing service (PDX-OGG, SAN-OGG, SEA-OGG, LAX-OGG, SFO-OGG, ONT-HNL etc) to start a different route flying a few times per week.

Except for LAX, the OGG flights were always started as seasonals and rarely daily. They tried to make SEA and SFO daily year-round, but couldn't keep loads at a profitable level. HA hasn't flown SFO-OGG for awhile now.

23/24 has been seasonal for the past two years. Except for the short time between the end of ONT and the start of SYD, 23/24 was not a daily flight. Even before the 767s, this flight was only 3 or 4 times weekly. BTW, HA was able to bring this flight back as a seasonal flight due to the end of ONT flights.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
You've got to be kidding.

This is business. They can't just fly more and more flights for fun. They need to maximize their allocation of resources, and that is clearly what they are doing.



Quoting Ha763 (Reply 19):
Except for LAX, the OGG flights were always started as seasonals and rarely daily

Sorry, but I have to differ with you. On most of those routes the flights were full. Highest load factors in the industry. So why pull the planes to start a part-time route?

The passengers were there. They were in the seats. They were buying the tickets and HA was making a profit (on most of those routes). You don't go pissing off the passengers by cutting the flights and leaving them no choice but to go to the competition. What I'm saying is that since the last 767 was delivered (well before the bankruptcy), HA has not added one single seat to their fleet, yet they keep adding routes by cutting others partially or completely, thereby ticking off the passengers who now can't get a seat.

Admittedly some routes didn't work that well, such as SFO-OGG which never could get filled. PDX-OGG was not daily but was always full. SAN-OGG was daily and full. I flew SEA-OGG regularly for over a year and the flight was well over 90 - 95% full 7 days a week, every week of the year! I saw it, I flew it.

Right now I'm still furloughed from HA, but in talking to my friends still there, flight 23/24 to SEA is also full! Every time! It's an existing route that is profitable and needs to be expanded.

And that is my complaint. MAH4546 said they are 'maximizing their allocation of resources'. No, they are not; they are playing a shell game with the few planes they already have. The existing flights are full, and passengers are asking for more capacity on those already profitable routes. Instead management cuts those already existing flights and adds a new route that will take time to become established and profitable. As I said before, they need new planes. Now!

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

I can understand how a frequent user of Hawaiian could feel disgruntled, but there is always another side to a story.

In this case, an opportunite presented itself, and Hawaiian seized upon it. The aircraft they are using for this new service, come out of markets that will maintain service, just not as much as they had before...maximising the revenue earning potential of the existing flights...and probably fewer rock-bottom priced seats to boot. They are not abandoning anyone...from what I can tell.

If Hawaiian didn't jump on AA's exit...Aloha would have been right behind them.
But then again, I don't know squat.



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User currently offline777boy From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
AA and HA only codeshare on intra-Hawai'i, not mainland-Hawai'i.

From AA.com, under the "Airline Partners" page:
Hawaiian Airlines
Service between the U.S. mainland and Hawaii and within the Hawaiian Islands.

I guess you're saying that currently they only codeshare on flights between the Hawaiian islands, but since AAdvantage members would get mileage credit for this flight, I think my point still holds. This could become the first mainland-Hawaii codeshare.


User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 17):
Gotbaum/Dunkerley - GET MORE PLANES! YOU'VE NEEDED THEM SINCE YOU TURNED BACK THE LAST TWO 767's UPON ENTERING BANKRUPTCY! All you're doing is pissing off the passengers

Our upper management has tried to acquire more 767s. Each one they find and enter into negotiations for a lease, another airline beats us to the punch. Being in bankruptcy slows everything down and now that we will be emerging soon, I won't be surprised if we do get more aircraft sometime this summer.I recently heard through the grapevine that we could have gotten EX-SAS 767s but were deemed too expensive to reconfigure. The galleys were bigger than our present 1st class cabin.

My brother has also been on furlough the last 2 1/2 yrs from the inflight dept and I am hoping for his sake that we will be getting more aircraft.


pualani


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33009 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

Quoting 777boy (Reply 22):

I guess you're saying that currently they only codeshare on flights between the Hawaiian islands, but since AAdvantage members would get mileage credit for this flight, I think my point still holds.

Correct.

Quoting 777boy (Reply 22):
This could become the first mainland-Hawaii codeshare.

I doubt it. There is no reason they would codeshare on this, and not on SFO or LAX, where AA actually now has more significant pressence. AA at SJC is nothing now. 17 mainline and 28 Eagle flights.



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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 1):
Why is AA pulling out of SJC-HNL/OGG? Poor loads?

I herd that the aircraft is needed for another route for the summer. . . Not sure what one but then again I cant imagine it having poor loads, it could have been the aircraft, even if the aircraft is full that doesn't mean they are making money especially Hawaii . . .NEED CARGO . . . But Congrats to HA its nice to see them growing . .


IMAGIN 787 for HA JFK - HNL, FLL - HNL who will be the first to fill these holes . . If A DAL employee would look at the loads from FLL TO ATL CONT. to HNL over half loads on some days are just for HNL . . . Check CO loads as well weird but true . . . JFK im not to sure but im quite supprised NW doesnt have a JFK HNL route continuing to NRT or HKK Better yet how about TPE - - - JUST WISHING ~

[Edited 2005-05-18 13:44:28]

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