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User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 50
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4623 times:
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Hi guys,

Just wanted to hear from you: do you have any recent experience of a landing on the jump seat? The last time the captain allowed me to was back in 99 on an Egypt Air flight. Now, that door just stays closed. I tried aboard a TAP flight a month ago, but there was nothing to do. "I'll see what I can do for you". Followed by, "It's not going to be possible". This happened to me several times in the last months... sad!

I remember good old times where my father used to tell me how great landing with a CX 747 in Kai Tak looked from the cockpit!

Any airline where they accept more frequently? Good hints?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Sorry those days ended on Sept 11, 2001 and will never been seen again.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4574 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Sorry those days ended on Sept 11, 2001 and will never been seen again.

I heard some people talking about that about a year ago. The guys were allowed in the cockpit... Pictures posted on a.net prove it!


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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Sorry those days ended on Sept 11, 2001 and will never been seen again.

Not everywhere my friend. Flew on KLM a couple of weeks ago and spent sometime on the jumpseat while the reserve pilot and pilots went to rest.



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User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

I have been able to jumpseat on several occasions.

Many companies since 9/11 will no longer allow it.

There are some, however, who know for whom to allow it.

Let's just say that if you work for the airline, you have more chances of being able to experience a jumpseat.



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

The guys were allowed in the cockpit... Pictures posted on a.net prove it!

Did you ever think they might be active flight crews non-rev'ng...? They still can and many have hobbies as well.....some even like aviation photograph..!!! There have been some very rare cases in Europe mention here on A.net, but as it has been reported they are drying up. In the US, it an't gonna happen...and by the way, the last pic of the EMB-145 in that group of four was taken from the Capts. seat..not the jump seat..

[Edited 2005-05-18 00:57:12]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4554 times:


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User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4520 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
and by the way, the last pic of the EMB-145 in that group of four was taken from the Capts. seat..not the jump seat..

The comment on that one is: "Very short final to Marseilles 32R seen from cockpit of our ERJ145 ! Many many thanks to the friendly crew who allowed me to fly on the jumpseat !"



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

I know what it says... but take it from someone that has hours and hours in the cockpit of an Embraer...it's from the Capts seat, or he had the camera in the Capts ear. I guess I just want to know why this question keeps coming up time and time again and the answer never changes or is going to change. In the US a firm No, as reported in Europe...a slight maybe, but those seem to be drying up.

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"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4490 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
I guess I just want to know why this question keeps coming up time and time again

Because
1) we might be on an aviation forum
2) I suscribed to a.net to talk with people about aviation
3) spending a flight on the jumpseat is about aviation.
4) you just can't catch every thread on this forum!



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4810 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4345 times:
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I jump seated to Las Vegas on a ferry flight a few months ago. The aircraft was being positioned for the following day after being out for maintenance. Luckily it was late at night and I had just gotten off work and asked to go along. Absolutely an incredible experience. The pilots even requested the visual 19L approach giving me a nice view of the Las Vegas strip on approach.

In the US, the only way I know of for non FAA or deadheading crew to jumpseat is to be an employee and for the flight to be a nonrevenue flight such as a ferry flight with no passengers.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12144 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4340 times:
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Yes I have but I too amazed at the views to get any photos

User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

In the US, the only way I know of for non FAA or deadheading crew to jumpseat is to be an employee and for the flight to be a nonrevenue flight such as a ferry flight with no passengers.

Yep, ferry flights operate as Part 91 not Part 121 so the regs are different.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Yes I have but I too amazed at the views to get any photos

No kidding, eh? You've got the camera in your hand, but you just sit there, eyes wide open and just speechless. Oh, I know the feeling!  Big grin



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User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

Quoting PipoA380 (Thread starter):
I tried aboard a TAP flight a month ago, but there was nothing to do. "I'll see what I can do for you". Followed by, "It's not going to be possible".

TP still lets people fly in the jumpseat if the Captain says it's ok. I have a good spotting friend (who is 17) who got to sit for the landing on an Airbus 310-300 in LIS just a few months ago. The fact that he was a student, very enthusiastic about flying, and knowledgable about the industry probably helped. This was the case with me when I was his age, but it was a 707  Smile

TP nas never been enthusiastic about adult passengers getting up front unless they were a personal friend of an employee. This helped me get a jumpseat on an L1011-500 from TER to BOS back in 1985 (wow I can believe it's been that long!). My next door neightbor here in TER was station manager for TP here in TER. He knew I'd get a kick out flying in the cockpit so he offered the Captain's daughter (who was flying in the jumpseat) a first class seat (which he initially gave to me) if she would trade with me. She hated flying in the cockpit, so her dad agreed to the switch. Well, to make a long story short, I had a great 5 hour flight across the Atlantic.

Keep trying, it never hurts to ask.

LPLAspotter



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User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Try flying your national airline if it's possible, I think that helps.
On BA flight from LHR-BEY I was denied my request to jumpseat or even have a look at the cockpit, I can understand BA.
On an MEA flight I had my first ever jumpseat,it was a couple of years ago.The crew had no problem allowing me to jumpseat from takeoff to landing, sure it was a 20 minute hop from Cyprus. Even if it were a different flight, I don't think they would've denied my request.
Good luck to all jumpseat seekers out there!

MEA310



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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

i recently jumpseated on a turkish airlines flight from IST-ESB
it happens quite frequently, especially down in australasia i believe!!



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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Hi guys,

I several a jumpseat landings. Once, with SunExpress back in 1999 in Dalaman / Turkey.(Night landing)
Even on the way back in Saarbrücken, I could sit on the jumpseat even till the landing. Was very nice!
The turkish pilots have been very kind and happy that somebody visited them!

But the very best was a jumpseat flight back in 1996 in an LX Avro 85 from BSL to LHR.
It was amazing, since we had about 30 other a/c approaching with us. The ATC controller warned us to keep our eyes open, due to the traffic.
As we lined up on the final, we could see four other a/c in front of us. There was even a 767 right behind us. I'll never forget this approach!

Regards,
Patrick



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12144 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4206 times:
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
No kidding, eh? You've got the camera in your hand, but you just sit there, eyes wide open and just speechless. Oh, I know the feeling!

And listening to ATC on a spare set of headphones


User currently offline10MID From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 4067 times:

Last Sunday went EWR-LAX in a CO 757. Even though it was a proper seat, it was uncomfortable because the FO´s seat went right up against my knees, so I had to sit sideways the whole way. I thought I hated the 737 jumpseats, but I might take a 737 jumpseat any day over a 757, even though the 737 has little padding on the seat bottom.

User currently offlinePJS800 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 242 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 4066 times:

Last week I flew on Estonian Air from LGW-TLL and thought I'd ask since we never get the opportunity in the USA. The flight attendant asked and said the particular captain doesn't like people up in the cockpit. So I think it depends on the country's regs, the company's regs, and the pilot's own preference.

PJ


User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 4038 times:

I think that Swiss shouldn't have a problem with letting a passenger in the cock-pit. They seem to be everybodies friend and hold everybodies money too.
SR



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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2697 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

I have been very fortunate to have been granted permission from the FAA, airline, and whoever else oversees the process, to occupy the cockpit jumpseat on any domestic flight at the major airline that I am an intern for. A dozen other interns and I have been here since January and it ends next week. I have learned SO MUCH from observing the operation it is amazing. The crews are very friendly and informative. Every flight goes by really fast, even if it's a long one. The view is something that starts to be taken for granted by once in a while I see something that makes me and the pilots look at for a moment and just admire, like the sight of another airliner going by. I haven't gotten tired of that yet and I don't think I ever will. Tomorrow I will fly six flights; I'm curious to know what it's like to be a pilot at a regional airline or flying a smaller airline and do six legs a day with three different airplanes, changing at the hub airport each time. Should be fun.

Here's where I've been on the jumpseat so far:

01/27/05 MSP DTW A-320
01/27/05 DTW MSP A-320
01/28/05 MSP MDW B-757-200
01/28/05 DTW MSP B-757-200
01/29/05 MSP HDN A-319
01/29/05 HDN MSP A-319
01/30/05 MSP GRR DC-9
01/30/05 GRR DTW A-319
01/30/05 DTW MDW A-319
01/30/05 MDW MSP A-319
02/02/05 MSP MKE B-757-200
02/02/05 MKE MSP B-757-200
02/04/05 MSP PDX A-320
02/04/05 PDX MSP A-320
02/05/05 MSP DCA A-319
02/05/05 DCA MSP A-319
02/06/05 MSP MCI DC-9
02/06/05 MCI MSP DC-9
02/09/05 MSP EGE B-757-200
02/09/05 EGE MSP B-757-200
02/12/05 MSP SAN B-757-200
02/13/05 SAN MSP B-757-200
02/19/05 MSP MSY A-319
02/20/05 MSY MSP A-319
02/25/05 MSP PHL A-319
02/27/05 PHL MSP DC-9
03/05/05 MSP SLC A-319
03/05/05 SLC DTW A-319
03/05/05 DTW MSP B-757-200
03/06/05 MSP DTW A-320
03/06/05 DTW ORD DC-9
03/06/05 ORD MSP DC-9
03/11/05 MSP ABQ A-320
03/13/05 ABQ MSP A-319
03/20/05 MSP LGA A-319
03/20/05 LGA MSP A-319
03/26/05 MSP SFO B-757-200
03/27/05 SFO MSP B-757-200
03/31/05 MSP EWR A-319
04/01/05 JFK ANC B-747-200F
04/03/05 ANC LAX B-747-200F
04/04/05 LAX MSP B-757-200
04/07/05 MSP SAT DC-10
04/07/05 SAT MSP DC-10
04/09/05 MSP DTW DC-9
04/09/05 DTW MHT A-319
04/10/05 MHT MSP A-319
04/16/05 MSP RNO A-319
04/16/06 RNO MSP A-319
04/17/05 MSP MSO A-319
04/17/05 MSO MSP A-319
04/20/05 MSP FAR DC-9
04/20/05 FAR MSP DC-9
04/21/05 MSP DEN A-320
04/21/05 DEN MSP A-320
04/22/05 MSP MSN DC-9
04/22/05 MSN MSP DC-9
04/23/05 MSP BWI A-320
04/23/05 BWI MEM A-320
04/24/05 MEM SEA A-320
04/25/05 SEA DTW B-757-200
04/26/05 DTW MSP B-757-300
04/28/05 MSP HNL DC-10
05/02/05 HNL SEA DC-10
05/03/05 SEA MSP B-757-300
05/06/05 MSP SAT A-320
05/07/05 SAT MSP A-319
05/08/05 MSP LAX B-757-300
05/08/05 LAX MSP B-757-300
05/09/05 MSP FSD DC-9
05/09/05 FSD MSP DC-9
05/10/05 MSP COS A-320
05/10/05 COS MSP A-320
05/12/05 MSP SEA B-757-300
05/13/05 SEA OGG B-757-300
05/16/05 OGG KOA B-757-300
05/16/05 KOA SEA B-757-300
05/17/05 SEA MSP B-757-300

Tomorrow: MSP - OMA - MSP - DLH - MSP - GRB - MSP.

I will miss it a lot at the end of next week and for a while after.


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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6857 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

Well, I just jumpseated an F100 ride on Pelita, PK-PFG last month to fly into a new airport. It's always enjoyable to ride up in front... talk to the crew (but not pester them)... on the way back I flew on Merpati F100, but a colleague's Captain had to go extra crew on that flight and he wanted to "lean the FMC" so no landing jumpseat... Instead I had a nice long "professional" chat with the cabin crew  Smile

Talking to the crew away from the cabin (galley or flight deck) is always a good method to gauge the morale and friendliness of the crew and is a useful tool to see the airline's "temperature"...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

Yes all the time pre 9/11.

I used to ask the pilots or F/As as I boarded or the F/A prior to decent, and most of the time they allowed me to. I've had full flights from takeoff to landing in the jumpseat of B732, B733, B762, B763, and B744 Aircraft.
And also just for landing or takeoff on all of the above + the B742. My longest jumpseater was from AKL to NAN on more than a few occasions with both Air NZ and Air Pacific for the three hour flight, even used to give up my business class seats for it.

But I now have to wait at least 5 years before I can sit in the flight deck again.


25 Apodino : Jumpsat a United 777 the other day into SEA. Was a great experience, crew was great as was the FAA guy who occupied the other Jumpseat. Landing was pr
26 ZOTAN : A jumpseated in a 744 between SFO-DEN on UA a few years ago. I was a UM, and the FA asked me If I wanted to see the cockpit. I will be flying SWISS la
27 Post contains images Jeb94 : Flying on a 'rescue' mission, (going to fix a broke airplane and send the pax back on this one), a couple weeks ago to Missoula Montana I got up close
28 Flighttime : God, I jumpseat on my airline so often when commuting I think I could actually fly the damn airbus! When I know the flight I am going for is full my h
29 AeroWeanie : I got a jump seat ride on an Air Canada A319 back in 2000. We were on a flight from Montreal to Denver and I noticed the cockpit door was open. I gave
30 Sanjet : It all depends on country/airlines/pilot... That's the best answer. SOP's, laws all come into consideration and a lot of pilots these days just avoid
31 Post contains links LHR27C : I was very lucky to be able to jumpseat out of LHR to ATH with Olympic in February, who (sometimes-didn't get it on the way back) allow it after 9/11.
32 Cat3ils : nov 2004 klm 1667 737-800 ams-bcn. fl370 all the way to the gate... Nice fellows up front. I was a thrill
33 Ken777 : I was able to sit in the jump seat of a QF Airbus departing SYD one time and it was an interesting experience - especially as the plane rotated far so
34 Alias1024 : Many airlines in the US still allow their pilots, dispatchers, mechanics, and many management employees to jumpseat. Some also have internship program
35 B744F : GoBoeing, That's a big list! What airline did you fly with for those freighter flights?
36 Post contains links and images LooneyToon : Hello I flew flight PZ707 from ASU-SCL in Tam's F100 back in December 2004. I flew in the cockpit the whole flight. Here are some pictures... Thanks t
37 KaiGywer : Seeing the types of aircraft and routes, I think it is pretty obvious it would be NW.
38 Andz : LooneyToon it's interesting that your boarding pass says "jump", when I have flown jump seat with SAA they have created a seat in the system that does
39 B742 : How do you get to sit in the jumpseat, who and where do you ask? Rob!
40 Goldenshield : In the US, we are not given a seat at all. What we do have is a boarding card, similar to what Looneytoon posted, but with a LOT more information. In
41 PipoA380 : Thanks for all those experiences guys! Hope I'll get my jumpseat next time!
42 LooneyToon : It helps if you ask the captain of the flight right before you board the plane. If you cant get a hold of him/her, ask a flight attendant to visit th
43 Adamhaw : hi go boeng,just a quick question and forgive my ignorance.on approach on a 757/767 do you know the flap settings for 180knts then what is the general
44 TUGMASTER : Hi All, Jumpseated..? LHR-CPH-LHR last year on the Varig Scud..... best bit was switching from 04R to 04L with only 1200ft to go ..........absolutly a
45 AlitaliaMD11 : I have sat in the jump seat before but never on landing or taking off. The most recent time was on a VS flight from LHR-JFK on a B747-400. I have trie
46 Post contains images FlyAUA : It doesn't only depend on the airline but more so on the captain him/herself. Getting into the cockpit is quite easy actually. All you need is one of
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