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New Airline @ Fort Lauderdale/Nassau?  
User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Hi, I found the following news on the www! It's a reoport about a new airline, but what me realy wondered was, that the first took place on February 11th 2005- but I couldn't find any information to this airline...  Confused

Anything about registration etc.???

ThanX chris

Passengers traveling the Fort Lauderdale to Nassau route now have a new flight service to choose from. Fly First Class, a new luxurious airline made its inaugural flight from Fort Lauderdale to Nassau on Friday February 11th, 2005. The concept behind the airline is to offer first-class service on the 45-minute, 185-mile flight. Fly First Class will utilize Boeing 737 Executive configured aircrafts, outfitted with 54 all leather, first-class seats. The introductory fare will start at $299.00 roundtrip and will include complimentary appetizers, an open bar, champagne and hot towel service. Passengers will be allowed Jetway boarding and three checked bags weighing up to 70 pounds each.

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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4142 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Wow, that sounds great and pretty affordable even if you aren't flying for business.

User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Another failed business plan i bet

User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

www.flyfirstclass.us

Thats all there is right now bout the airline.

[Edited 2005-05-18 05:43:51]


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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

Outside of the charter aspect, I don't see this company lasting. The sad fact is that most people can take a short flight (FLL-NAS or FLL-FPO) in a normal airline economy cabin (i.e., crammed in like sardines) and not pay $180 o/w or $250 r/t (and, most likely not even pay $180 R/T!). The prices are just too high for a short hop like this and the time allotted for in-flight service, doesn't permit much more than drink service, so why pay such a high, comparative fare?

While I'm a fan of innovation with service and cabins, I just don't see this as a viable scheduled-service offering, given the chosen short-haul market.

MxCtrlr  bouncy 



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User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

@Njdevilsin03

ThanX for the link, thats what I am looking for, the aircraft looks nice...  Cool

But one question is left, whats the registration of this bird???

chris


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Interesting there hasn't been anything on these forums about this airline before.

Only about a year ago Laker Bahamas went bankrupt and/or ceased operations.. they used to fly 727s from FLL to the Bahamas but I'm not sure about the details of their service; imagine it was low fare. They were doing casino charters weren't they?

You guys think it makes sense to have an airline with such high class service on this short trip to the Bahamas?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 4):
Outside of the charter aspect, I don't see this company lasting. The sad fact is that most people can take a short flight (FLL-NAS or FLL-FPO) in a normal airline economy cabin (i.e., crammed in like sardines) and not pay $180 o/w or $250 r/t (and, most likely not even pay $180 R/T!).

Absoslutely incorrect. Miami/Fort Lauderdale-Nassau is an extremely high yielding market, with fares averaging around $200 round-trip. I fly the route twice a year and have never paid less than $160 and almost always pay around $200 on American Eagle. It is a major business and leisure market. Since there is no competitive ferry service to New Providence, there is no easy way of getting there. Many businessmen in the Bahamas need to make weekly trips to Miami, and visa-versa. The Bahamas ties to South Florida - Miami/Nassau, Fort Lauderdale/Freeport, and Marsh Harbour/West Palm Beach - are extremely strong. The Miami Herald even publishes a daily Nassau edition of their newspaper.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 6):
Interesting there hasn't been anything on these
forums about this airline before.

There has been some talk of them.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 6):

You guys think it makes sense to have an airline with such high class service on this short trip to the Bahamas?

In theory, yes. There is a large amount of wealthy South Floridians that take frequent weekend trips to the Bahamas (hence they run an increased schedule on Fridays and Sundays) to go to the casinos and the beaches. However, they are still more likely to take AA/CO/DL for the miles or their yacht. So far, though, Fly First Class has been flying since February and seem to be doing okay.



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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

The funiest thing is that I was browsing the internet yesterday and found an airline offering B732 service between FLL and NAS as Sky King dba Fly First Class.

Stefano  wave 


User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2753 times:

@Komododx

...do you have still the link? would be great for me! chris


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2738 times:

Don't forget that Nassau is home to some decent casinos.... there ARE people who will pay for this service...

-n


User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Why fly first class to nassau when you can do what I did a few months ago and enjoy cramped all-economy service on an ancient 732 that arrives 3 hours late on a 40 minute flight... welcome to bahamas air! I fly this route about 3 times a year, I live in miami and I have family in nassau, and the best choice (cheapest, best service) has generally been AA Eagle... I think there was another airline that attempted to offer the same "first class" service from miami or FLL to nassau a few years ago, and they quickly went under? Anyways, there is indeed heavy traffic between south florida and the bahamas, I have scarcely ever been on a less than 90% full flight and the fares are always higher than MIA-MSY or BOS, which always seems crazy to me but that's basic economics for you...

User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

By looking at the site, its just corporate 737-200 that is being used to help diversify the company's operating expenses by making it available for "airline" use a few days a month. Its not a real airline start up.


Quoted from the site: "Fly First Class Flights are Scheduled Public Charters operated by Sky King"

There are 2 of these planes:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/834469/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/791601/M/

[Edited 2005-05-18 22:36:42]

User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Will B6 ever consider it??THey do pretty godd from JFK don´t they?

Heck, why not FLL-NAS with a E-190???



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 13):

There would obviously have to be a demand for it. I think B6 is a lot more concerned on expanding to the viable US markets first.


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1279 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 11):
I think there was another airline that attempted to offer the same "first class" service from miami or FLL to nassau a few years ago, and they quickly went under?

There was Trinity Air Bahamas in the early 1990s (1993, iirc), that went under in something like 2 or 3 months.


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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 2454 times:

Quoting LatinAviation (Reply 15):
There was Trinity Air Bahamas in the early 1990s (1993, iirc), that went under in something like 2 or 3 months.

Gosh, I remember that airline! I thought it was supposed to be an LCC startup, though (kind of like the Valujet/Airtran for the Bahamas). The main problem was, however, that it was competing directly with UP instead of trying to co-operate...as a local entity, trying to compete with the government-run monopoly could be seen as suicide. It's a shame; I never got to fly them, but I would've liked to see it succeed.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 11):
Why fly first class to nassau when you can do what I did a few months ago and enjoy cramped all-economy service on an ancient 732 that arrives 3 hours late on a 40 minute flight... welcome to bahamas air!

Hahahaha! This is why I fly AA. Although, to UP's credit, I actually have flown on some *very* ontime flights (as in arrived at the destination before the scheduled time). It's rare, but it happens. Are you originally from the Bahamas, Dan?

I'm guessing that the FLL-NAS market is starting to become a little saturated now. Gulfstream offers numerous flights/day with B190s and E120s, UP flies 732s and DH8s, AA flies AT7s, NK flies MD-80s, and now this new carrier? Whatever happened to the deal with US Airways starting commuter service to the Bahamas from FLL? Is that still going to happen?

[Edited 2005-05-19 16:20:56]

[Edited 2005-05-19 16:21:25]


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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 16):
Whatever happened to the deal with US Airways starting commuter service to the Bahamas from FLL? Is that still going to happen?

Since US is codesharing with UP, I guess that won't happen.

One of the main problems with Trinity was its religious attitude, which may be deeply rooted in both the Bahamas and the US, but has no place in air travel.

Of course the main problem was that the owners believed that the new government that got voted in in '92 would give them the license straight away, so they went and got planes, which then sat on the ramp for months and months costing money but not generating income.

As far as Fly First Class is concerned, they may have a market IF they can provide reliable on-time service and get the bagagge from FLL to NAS on the same plane. A lot of shoppers might just fork out the extra money for that.

Remember, Nassau is not just Casinos but also the home of some very rich people who do fly first class, if available.

Having said that, I still have my doubts. Next time I have to go to Florida, I would like to give it a try (just as I would love to fly Chalk's again), but at the end of the day I usually go for the cheapest fare, simply because my pay is pretty lousy  Sad



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 16):
Whatever happened to the deal with US Airways starting commuter service to the Bahamas from FLL? Is that still going to happen?

Yes, they are planning on it. It was put on hold, along with FLL-PLS and FLL-TPA, because of aircraft allocation issues.



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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 16):
Are you originally from the Bahamas, Dan?

No, my grandparents moved there from panama, but that was about 40 years ago and since then everyone in my family has spent so much time there (or simply moved there like my uncle) that it is a second home for us... You're a nassau spotter, so I have to ask a question that I have wondered about for a over a year now. On one of my departures, this time on AA, we took off and much to my amazement I noticed a Northwest B742 sitting near the general aviation aircraft... this must have been in maybe june of last year, and to this day I have no idea what that plane was doing there, as I didn't even know the runway at nassau could support such a large aircraft... wish I had a camera with me that day!


User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 2177 times:

@Waterpolodan "Northwest B742 sitting near the general aviation aircraft"

No idea what it was doing there, but RWY 14/32 can take 747s. In fact, we used to get scheduled service from BA with a 747 before they downsized it to a 763. Next month - if they finish repaving the runway in time - Virgin will start service to Nassau with a 744.

However, as Nassau is one of the airports where flights might have to divert to if MIA is closed, we have to be able to take big planes. The airport was rather crowded on Sept. 11, 2001, as you can imagine.

Not scheduled service, but I have seen big Antonovs at the airport, and the Saudis sometimes fly in on 747s to go to the casino.

But as far as that NWA plane is concerned... charter? diverted plane? no idea, sorry.



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User currently offlineACVitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 2169 times:

Rumor is that Fly First Class was a non event and has already cancelled/suspended ops after much fanfare with the startup.

This came from a secondary source so I cannot swear it on my life as I am on the other side of the world now.

I know that they were pulled out of Worldspan a few days ago and a stop sale was issued.


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
On one of my departures, this time on AA, we took off and much to my amazement I noticed a Northwest B742 sitting near the general aviation aircraft... this must have been in maybe june of last year, and to this day I have no idea what that plane was doing there

I wish I could help you there, Dan. I was a Nassau spotter till I moved up to Maryland, so now I'm pretty much into BWI. As for the NW 742, I had seen a post about that before, and I believe it was a charter flight. I have seen some interesting planes out of NAS though - in particular, I noticed an AN-124, a Saudi MD-11, and of course, the Cubana fleets, which have brought in everything from IL-62s to TU-154s to YAK-42s!

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
I didn't even know the runway at nassau could support such a large aircraft

11,000 feet is plenty long enough for a jumbo. BA used to fly their 742s into NAS back in the mid 80s, as did Pan Am and TWA for a short period. Since then, however, the conditions may have deteriorated, which may be cause for the construction going on at the moment (and for the record, it's soooo annoying having to taxi allll the way down the old rwy 23, then rwy 9 just to get to the starting point of 32! - I flew outta there back in January on AA and had to do that).



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User currently offlineACVitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months ago) and read 2152 times:

From Worldspan day before yesterday...

Fly First Class (F3) - (May/24/2005)


Worldspan regrets that Fly First Class is no longer an airline participant in the Worldspan system.
NW/MD


It looks poorly for the future of Fly First Class.......


Can anyone advise if they are still flying or did they die?


User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Their website - http://www.flyfirstclass.us/ - is up and running, and I *think* I saw their plane taking off last week. However, I was not spotting, I was sitting in the swimming pool drinking a nice cold Kalik - and I didn't wear my glasses... So it could have been some 732 that was not UP (that's definitive).


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