Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Delta 777 And 767-400  
User currently offlineDeltaMan From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

I know that this is asking a lot...

Alright, I need all the info you guys (and girls) have on the Delta 777 and 767-400. I'm doing a major report on it and I don't know a lot about it. How many are they ordering of each? What routes will they be flying? Will there be anymore L-1011s left? Questions like these and more are the kind I'm looking for. Please please please help me! If you don't want to post it on here now, e-mail me, hank@lovetofly.com Thanks!!!! You guys (and girls) are the best!!

Hank

20 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

Howdy fellow Delta lover,

Boeing launched the 777 in 1989. There were ten airlines in the design team, including BA, UA, AA, AN, JA and, of course, Delta.

However, despite their early participation, Delta did not make an order for the 777 until sometime in early 1997. The original order was for fourteen aircraft, seven of which have been delivered. Delta has 'rolling options' for fifty more of the aircraft over the next five years.

Delta had the intention of eventually replacing both the McDonnell Douglas MD-11 and the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar with it's new airliner, both of which will be fulfilled. (the L-1011 will also be replaced by the 767-400ER)

The L-1011s are being retired at a rate of 2 per month until April 2001 when they will all be gone. This would work out at there being, erm, 24 left as of April 1st.

The 777-232 in Delta Air Lines service is powered by two Rolls Royce Trent 892 engines, producing 91,000lbs of thrust per engine.

The aircraft seats 277 passengers in two classes; 52 passengers in Delta's (multiple award winning) BusinessElite cabin and 225 passengers in the main, economy, cabin.

All passengers in the main cabin can experience three channels of video entertainment and eight music channels, along with the AirShow in-flight map and information service. Seats consist of footrests, in-seat personal televisions, and roomy (HA! Yeah Right) 32" to 34" seat pitch, along with in-flight telephones at every seat.

Passengers in BusinessElite are treated to five course meals with a choice of four entrees. They have the choice of up to ten video channels, ten audio channels and the AirShow in-flight map and information service. The seats have a luxurious, industry-beating seat pitch of 60" and contain six-motor controlled footrests and headrests.

The 777-200 can fly over 8,000 miles non-stop.

Delta's 777s initially served London from Atlanta and Cincinnati, with service being inaugurated on May 1st, 1999. At this time Delta only had such two aircraft in service.

However, now, with seven aircraft in service and more to follow, Delta uses the 777-200 to serve London, Paris and Frankfurt from Atlanta, Frankfurt and London from Cincinnati, and Paris from New York. However, with more aircraft coming in the future, Delta will serve cities with the 777 that are currently served with the MD-11 - cities such as Manchester, Beijing, Shanghai and Rio de Janerio. If service is started to Buenos Aires, service will also be served with the 777.

I am afraid I know very little about the 767-400ER except that it is due to enter service in May 2000, fly domestic routes that were once served by the L-1011, and some of the aircraft will be flown with the BusinessElite cabin in, to serve cities such as Honolulu non-stop from Atlanta. There will be 24 in initial service with the airline when the total initial order is completed.

Hope this helps at all!

Any more questions, you can email me at hiben8@aol.com

Happy reading, and
FLY DELTA JETS



DLMD-11.


User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

DLMD-11 wrote:
-------------------------------
Howdy fellow Delta lover,

Boeing launched the 777 in 1989. There were ten airlines in the design team, including BA, UA, AA, AN, JA and, of course, Delta.

So was quantas and cathay pacific, the whole group was called working together and the piont was to create an airplane around what the airlines wanted and not what boeing wanted.



User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

If we are going to get picky, the ten airlines in the Working Together team were:

Qantas (not Quantas!)
Cathay Pacific
All Nippon Airlines
Japan Air Lines
Delta Air Lines
American Airlines
United Airlines
British Airways
Emirates
Thai Airways International.



DLMD-11.


User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

If we are going to get picky, the ten airlines in the Working Together team were:

Qantas (not Quantas!)
Cathay Pacific
All Nippon Airlines
Japan Air Lines
Delta Air Lines
American Airlines
United Airlines
British Airways
Emirates
Thai Airways International.



DLMD-11.


User currently offlineDeltaMan From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

WOW!!! Thank you so much!! Where'd you find all that out??? That's amazing! DLMD-11, thank you so much! I could use some more if anyone has anymore!

P.S. Delta RULES!!!
Hank


User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Sorry I made a slight mistake in the first load of info; here is the correction....

Delta Air Lines ordered 10 Boeing 777s on November 14th, 1997, in an order worth about $1.42 billion and reserved options for 50 more airplanes, elevating the total potential value of the deal to nearly $8.5 billion.

The airline likely will pay a discounted price under terms of a long-term agreement it signed with Boeing earlier this year.

As expected, the Atlanta-based airline converted options it had reserved earlier into the 10 firm orders.

But the company added 20 regular options and 30 others termed "rolling options" to give itself more flexibility on deliveries and models of the new widebody twinjet.

Hope this helps!



DLMD-11.

(PS. the source for the correction was the Seattle Times.)


User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

The 767-400ER was launched April 28, 1997, when Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines announced its intent to order 21 airplanes. First delivery of the new derivative is scheduled for mid-2000.

Once again another piece of information......



DLMD-11.


User currently offlineEzra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

DLMD-11,

If you could entertain one more question, I'd be most appreciative.

I know that some kind of labor-dispute (for lack of a better term) with the airline's pilots delayed Delta's initial plans for delivery of the 777. In fact, I remember reading in one of the company's annual reports that the "777 was no longer part of Delta's current fleet plan."

Obviously this dispute has been resloved. Could you give a brief history of the conflict, and of how it came to solution. Also, if you know, how was Delta planning to implement the 777 before the delay vs. its current implementation plans.

Many thanks,

Ezra.


User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

In May 1999, DALPA (Delta Air Lines Pilots Assoc.) (aka the Delta Pilots Union) members decided that they were unhappy with the proposed pay-levels to be paid, for pilots flying both the 777-232 and the newer 767-432ER.

Fortunately, Delta knew that surely it would take less than a year and a month to resolve the situation, so the 767-432ER would not be affected immediately, but two 777s had already been delivered and three were sitting at Everett waiting to be delivered, with two more in the process of being built. The aircraft at Everett and the ones being built were 'mothballed' soon after completion.

The union threatened to strike as of November 1st 1999 if the airline did not 'up' the wages as of that date for said aircraft types, and, at that time, (May 1st) and for a long time after, there seemed to be little chance of resolving this problem.

This was a major blow for the 777 fleet plans, as they were all due to be in service by November 1st, and so this would have dealt a major blow for the airline's long haul services, and Delta could not sustain itself without major flights to Europe and Japan.

As a stop-gap measure, the three held-over not-yet constructed orders for 777s (the difference between the seven constructed and the ten ordered) were turned into 767-300ERs in the hope that some MD-11s could be displaced by them and put on previously-777-scheduled routes.

Delta, even at that time, payed their 777 (and MD-11) pilots more than any other airline in the world - Delta prides itself on this fact, as it does for Flight Attendants and Crew of all aircraft types. The 777 earned $305 per hour plus benefits and the the MD-11 earned $294 per hour, again plus benefits.

Eventually, the airline got desperate as the MD-11 was needed on other routes - so there was a serious shortage of aircraft predicted, after about December. The airline gave in - in late July - to an extent - and met DALPA about two-thirds of the way to their demands.

The wages increased from $305 per hour for the 777 to $325 plus benefits, and the 767-400ER increased from the projected $265 to $289 per hour. DALPA was sastisfied, and the aircraft were requested from Boeing.

It took a few months to intergrate the aircraft into service, but they got there, starting in November and extending into February. All the aircraft that had been built were de-mothballed and delivered to Hartsfield. The two that had been in construction remained unpainted. (one became Soaring Spirit and the other became N863DA - the aircraft in the 'new' livery.)

The reason for a time Delta considered the 777 'no longer part of the current fleet plans' is because they could not be sure when the aircraft would be delivered, or if the problem would ever be resolved.

Hope this helps!

More questions? Email me at hiben8@aol.com



DLMD-11.


User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Some word of rumor. Large 777 order from Delta coming soon, probably with the announcement of the ETOPS extension. Probably around 15-25 airframes or more. So far they are using them whenever they can on flights to Europe and Florida.

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Actually, the group that originally participated in the design of the 777 consisted of just eight airlines, not ten. They were: (current orders)

United Airlines (61)
American Airlines (37)
Delta Air Lines (13)  
British Airways (45)
Qantas (--)
Cathay Pacific (11)
All Nippon Airways (29)
Japan Airlines (23)

Don't forget that Delta has converted 3 option 777s into firm orders, 2 in March 98, 1 in Dec. 98.

Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineDeltaMan From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Thank you so much! This stuff is great!!! Gosh, DLMD11, you are well educated!! 8-}

User currently offlineDelta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

Actually, the rates for the 777-200 is $265/hr and not $325/hr as previously stated.

Doug Taylor
Delta 737 Pilot
http://www.jetcareers.com


User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

Apologies to Delta737,

The figures came off my head as I was trying to remember what the rates were having read the actual facts in May last year - I had read it on the Delta (old-style) web-site from about a year ago - when the dispute occured.




DLMD-11.

Any more questions - email me.


User currently offlineDeltaMan From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Alright! I could not get enogh off the 764. So... if anyone has anymore info on the DELTA 777, please let me know!!! Thanks!

User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

This is a news release straight off of Delta when the 1st 777 was delivered; (I just found it today!)

ATLANTA, GA., March 24, 1999 – The first of thirteen custom-designed Boeing 777 aircraft from an order valued at more than $1.4 billion arrives at Delta Air Lines’ home base in Atlanta on Friday. For more than a year, Delta has worked with the manufacturer to develop the new wide-body flagship, which has been designed exclusively with the airline’s long-haul passengers in mind.

Unique on the Boeing assembly line, Delta Ship #7001 is the first 777 outfitted with the airline’s new BusinessElite cabin with 52 seats for premium passengers. Not only has Delta introduced the first intercontinental business class with five feet of space between its sleeper seats, it has also taken the unusual step of choosing a two-by-two configuration in the premium cabin of the 777 with no middle seats.

Delta’s passenger-friendly design extends to the 225 seats in the main cabin as well, where long-haul passengers will enjoy personal video screens, plus adjustable footrests, headrests and lumbar supports. Thanks to the 20-foot diameter of the 777’s fuselage, passengers throughout the aircraft experience a unique sense of spaciousness created by nearly vertical walls and pivoting, hide-a-way overhead storage bins.

“Delta’s 777 is more than a new flagship for our fleet,” remarks Leo F. Mullin, CEO of Delta Air Lines, who will personally inspect the airplane at Boeing and then fly with employees on the delivery flight from Seattle to Atlanta. “It symbolizes our commitment to excellence, to leadership in the industry, and to becoming the very best airline in the eyes of our customers.”

Many of Delta’s specifications for the aircraft will never be seen by passengers, like the advanced technologies installed to ensure safe operations. Delta’s 777 will be equipped with a satellite communications system, a Global Positioning System for navigation, Predictive Windshear and Collision Avoidance Systems, as well as the latest Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System to provide flight crews with early warning of potential threatening terrain.

The power for Delta Air Lines’ 777s is delivered by twin Rolls-Royce Trent 800 engines, each generating a maximum thrust of 92,000 pounds. Although they are 40 percent more powerful, they actually produce less noise than the engines on the Boeing 767. Entry into service of the 777 marks another milestone in the established and expanding relationship between Delta and Rolls-Royce, now in its 26th year.

Although Delta plans to deploy its 777 fleet primarily on flights to Europe, the aircraft’s range of more than 8,600 statute miles allows it to serve all of the airline’s current transatlantic and transpacific route system, including Atlanta-Tokyo. With cruising speeds at Mach 0.84, the 777 also flies faster than other aircraft types in its class, reducing travel times for passengers.

“One reason the 777 is such a good match for Delta is the flexibility of this airplane, “ according to Fred Sandow, Program Manager for the 777 at Delta. “As a member of the family, the 777 shares the same flight deck, airframe, systems, spares and ground equipment as other Boeing aircraft in our fleet. That reduces the cost of training, operations and maintenance.” 767 flight crews, for example, need just 11 days of additional training to fly the 777.

Teams of Delta engineers, pilots, in-flight service personnel and suppliers have been working intensely for the past 12 months to integrate specific enhancements into Delta’s 777. Because of this meticulous work, the aircraft will arrive at Delta in near service-ready condition. Following delivery, the airline’s crew, support and service personnel will spend another month of training on the aircraft before it enters revenue service.

Starting May 1, Delta will offer 777 service on its Atlanta-London route, and between Atlanta and Orlando during domestic training on the airline’s second 777, scheduled for delivery March 30. In September, Delta will expand 777 services on the Atlantic with flights on the Cincinnati-London and Atlanta-Frankfurt routes.

Named Airline of the Year by Air Transport World magazine, Delta, Delta Express, the Delta Shuttle, the Delta Connection carriers and Delta’s Worldwide Partners operate 5,187 flights each day to 353 cities in 56 countries. Delta SkyMiles members earn mileage by flying Delta, the Delta Connection carriers, Delta Express, the Delta Shuttle and Delta’s airline partners. Delta also offers SkyMiles in conjunction with many participating hotels, car rental companies, cruise lines, more than 2,000 restaurants, through investments with Charles Schwab & Co., Inc., by utilizing the SkyMiles Optima Credit Card from American Express and using MCI’s services.

=================================

There is also a press-release about BusinessElite, included in the 777, so I will include that too:

ATLANTA, GA, December 14, 1998 -- Delta Air Lines announced today that it is investing approximately $314 million in customer service improvements with its new BusinessElite service for intercontinental business travelers.The new product features a number of industry-leading "firsts" and is designed to provide a world-class travel experience at a business-class fare.
Features include:
·Revolutionary new sleeper seat designed exclusively for Delta by B/E Aerospace;
·Each BusinessElite seat (on all B-767ER, MD-11 and B-777 aircraft) offers more personal space than any other airlines' business class with 60 inches of pitch (ten inches more than industry standard), a full 160 degrees (or 17 inches) of recline, and a highly desirable 2x2x2 seating arrangement (never a middle seat);
·Fully electric controls for recline, lumbar support, leg rest extension for full leg and thigh support, leg rest height and foot rest;
·Redesigned seat backs for a more private environment;
·Battery-saving EmPowerTM system for laptop computers, a dataport for online access and a personal telephone at every seat;
·Enhanced in-flight entertainment shown on a personal TESTM (Total Entertainment System) video screen designed by Rockwell Collins;
·Easy to use TES controls with integrated telephone;
·A streamlined airport experience with priority check-in, baggage handling and boarding;
·A completely redesigned catering concept that features more personalized service and a selection of four different entrees including a vegetarian choice), premium cheeses, and popular ice cream sundaes;
·New self-service snacking station and enhanced Express ClassicsTM flexible dining option;
·New wine selection from Delta's award-winning VinumTM program; and
·Larger pillows, new blankets and improved amenity kits.

"Our customers helped us design this product," says Frederick Reid, executive vice president and chief marketing officer of Delta. "BusinessElite provides what they asked for: an environment that offers more personal space, attentive service and amenities to allow for maximum productivity and relaxation, priced at a business-class fare."

Extensive research was conducted with customers in the development of the seats. More than 80 frequent international business travelers participated in eight-hour seating sessions to provide feedback on seat comfort and features. The BusinessElite seat offers the most recline and leg room for a business-class fare as well as six-way, adjustable headrests, unique one-touch Controls for "sleep" and "land" positions, a personal in-seat reading light, increased console space and a pullout cocktail tray. Additional customer benefits include complimentary access on day of travel to BusinessElite lounges in Atlanta and New York's Kennedy airports and all Delta Crown Room Clubs. SkyMiles members will earn 125 percent of actual mileage flown on all paid Delta business class fares.

Delta customers will see BusinessElite introduced in phases starting later this month. It will replace Delta's existing first class and business class on all flights to Europe, Asia and Brazil.
·The interiors of Delta's intercontinental fleet, including 42 B-767ER aircraft and 15 MD-11 aircraft, are being redesigned. The 14 B-777 aircraft Delta has on order will be delivered with the new two-class interior.
·The ground and in-flight elements of the product will be introduced spring 1999. (Until Spring 1999, Delta's current business-class service will replace first-class service on affected flights.)
·Completion of aircraft modifications and consistent product delivery is scheduled for summer 1999.

Delta Air Lines is committed to excellence in serving our customers. Delta, Delta Express, the Delta Shuttle, the Delta Connection Carriers and Delta's Worldwide Partners operate 5,187 flights each day to 353 cities in 56 countries throughout the U.S., Canada, Europe, Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean from 12 U.S. gateway cities. Delta, which carries more passengers worldwide than any other carrier, is the leading U.S. airline across the Atlantic.

=================================

Hope this helps! Any more and I will let you know!



DLMD-11.


User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Hi!

Just another question...
Do you know if the 767-400s will be fitted with PTVs at every seat like the 777?

Thanks

Louis  


User currently offlineDeltaMan From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

WOW!!! That's amazing! What is the site that you found all that???

User currently offlineDeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3705 times:

All i know is that they are fazing out their L1011' s in the next three years and 777's and 767-400's will replace them and the md-11.

User currently offlineDeltaMan From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

 No offense DeltaRNOmd-80, but that is common sense. The L-1011s will be gone really soon...the MD-11s are going to be around awhile though! 

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
The Great Race Is On -Delta 777 And 767 To Athens posted Tue Aug 31 2004 00:40:06 by Skibum9
Boeing 777 And 767-400 Cockpit posted Thu Aug 24 2000 04:27:31 by Delta777-XXX
Delta, Pilots Discuss 767-400 And 777-200 posted Wed Aug 18 1999 21:32:27 by DeltaAir
AA Flies 777 And 767 From IAH Today! posted Thu Sep 22 2005 22:28:38 by DeltaFFinDFW
757 And 767-400 Cockpits posted Sat Jul 30 2005 03:30:34 by Patches
New Delta 757 And 767 Interiors? posted Wed Jun 29 2005 06:12:36 by Jrlander
CO 777 And 767? posted Sun Apr 18 2004 07:47:40 by COEWRNJ
Comparing CO 777 And 767-400ER In Coach posted Tue Sep 30 2003 19:33:58 by TranStar
Wow, 737-900 And 767-400 In One Day posted Thu Feb 27 2003 08:06:02 by Futurepilot
UAL 777 And 767 posted Sat Aug 4 2001 19:49:10 by Brett80211