ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 5 Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12871 times:
Ok, if you are not aware, the Queen of England is on a visit to Canada. But am amazed at the fact that she did not fly on an UK airline's aircraft, nor an RAF aircraft. Instead, she flew on a Canadian Forces A310! Does she not have her own aircraft? Or, where is BA in this situation?
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4605 posts, RR: 38 Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12859 times:
AFAIK, there has been quite a wide range of transportation choices for the Queen's travels in recent years. On longer routes, she usually flies with BA (either 767's and 777's have been used in recent years to my knowledge), while on shorter routes, the RAF's Royal Flight still offers a few other choices, e.g. the BAe-146 and maybe even the good ol'e HS-748 (correct me if I am wrong). Contrary to some people's belief, the Concorde has not been the primary aircraft of coice for the Queen's overseas voyages.
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777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 8832 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12853 times:
The royal family use BAE 146s for short haul and commercial airlines (some times BA and other times other airlines) for the other flights. She has flowen on RNZAF aircraft before, Prince Charles used an RNZAF B752 to fly to New Zealand from Australia, around New Zealand and to fly to Fiji from AKL. If the airline is the national carrier or an Air Force Aircraft of a commenwealth country then she and the rest of the gang will use them also
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Atmx2000 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4574 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12823 times:
Quoting ETStar (Thread starter): Instead, she flew on a Canadian Forces A310! Does she not have her own aircraft?
You do realize that she is the head of state in Canada, that she is the "Queen of Canada," and that Canadian military personel take an oath of allegiance to her as the embodiment of Canadian sovereignty. BA or RAF aircraft would not be appropriate as this is not a state visit on behalf of Britain.
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Those weren't actually HS748's, they were Andovers, which was a military adaptation of the old Budgie, with a rear ramp for loading Land-Rovers. The Royal Flight Andovers were retired yonks ago, when the BAe146's (are the called K1's by the RAF, something like that anyway) entered service.
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4605 posts, RR: 38 Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12781 times:
Please forgive my anecdotal memory, but didn't Charles manage to drive one of the Royal Flight BAe-146's into the bushes upon landing a couple of years ago?
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ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12769 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 4):
You do realize that she is the head of state in Canada, that she is the "Queen of Canada," and that Canadian military personel take an oath of allegiance to her as the embodiment of Canadian sovereignty. BA or RAF aircraft would not be appropriate as this is not a state visit on behalf of Britain.
True... but it's not her country. Did she ALWAYS fly into Canada on an RAF aircraft? If so, then ok.
Atco2b From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12752 times:
I remember seeing the Queen fly to Rome on a BA A319 a few years back! Of course, it had been chartered
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BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3141 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12605 times:
As far as I am aware The Queen's air travel is dictated first by the security aspects and then by economics (unlike that golfing son of hers who uses the most expensive form on every trip - private and public).
The Queen's flight has a fleet of BAe146, which are used principally for short-haul trips for members of the Royal Family and certain VIPs. The Queen's flight is flown and maintained by an elite part of the RAF. If it is cheaper to charter a BA A319 (or any similar aircraft) than fly the BAe146s and crew (not to mention accommodating the crew at the destination and parking the plane for the duration of the trip), then the charter aircraft would be used
When The Queen is on state visits, it is normally the host country that pays for her travel and it would therefore be cheaper for them to use their own presidential aircraft, passenger-configured military aircraft or even their flag carrier.
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Beany From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12577 times:
Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8): I think it was at Inverness (poss. Aberdeen) - somewhere in the land of the Picts anyway, I think he went off the end of the runway. Oops !
It was on one of the Scottish Islands, I believe you are right in saying he overran. He doesn't fly anymore
Wunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 880 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12542 times:
Quoting BCAL (Reply 10): When The Queen is on state visits, it is normally the host country that pays for her travel and it would therefore be cheaper for them to use their own presidential aircraft, passenger-configured military aircraft or even their flag carrier.
BCAL you beat me to it, this is what I believe too.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 6309 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12507 times:
She landed in Regina of all places, Good Lord!
Here's a question though. When she flies to Canada, does she have to fill out a declaration card? If yes, what would she write down for "What is the reason of your visit? Business, Pleasure or Study."?
RedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12355 times:
Quoting BCAL (Reply 10): When The Queen is on state visits, it is normally the host country that pays for her travel and it would therefore be cheaper for them to use their own presidential aircraft, passenger-configured military aircraft or even their flag carrier.
Is this a diplomatic convention that applies to most/all countries, or just Commonwealth or other countries that are receiving the Queen?
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 10481 posts, RR: 79 Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12301 times:
Quoting RedDragon (Reply 17): Is this a diplomatic convention that applies to most/all countries, or just Commonwealth or other countries that are receiving the Queen?
I can't think of any similar protocol. The Queen is not going to Canada in her role as the British Head of State, or as a representative of the people of Britain, she is going as the Canadian Head of State, the representative of the Canadian people - she's making a visit with her own.
I can't think of another Head of State for whom this would be true.
BA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12300 times:
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 14): Here's a question though. When she flies to Canada, does she have to fill out a declaration card? If yes, what would she write down for "What is the reason of your visit? Business, Pleasure or Study."?
no -- she doesn't even have a passport. It would have to be an amended one anyway, as all the blurb states that 'Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary requests and requires in the name of Her Majesty etc blah etc blah'. It would be funny if it said 'My Secretary of State requests and requires in my name....' it would sound as if she was a boxer, gievn that those guys always seem to talk about themselves in the third person "Right now Lennox Lewis is thinking about Lennox Lewis"...
AirNZ From United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), joined Feb 2005, 1709 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12216 times:
It should be noted that British Airways is a privatised company and thus, (irrespective of what some might like to believe) are not the NATIONAL airline of the United Kingdom.
By applying the same 'logic', does the President of the US fly United, AA, Delta or US Air? No, he doesn't!
Lazyshaun From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12177 times:
I saw that A310 the other day, but didn't realise that it was canadas airforce.
Wow!
BA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12039 times:
Quoting ETStar (Reply 7): True... but it's not her country
actually, she is Queen of Canada: when she took the Coronation Oath, Elizabeth II swore "to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of [her] Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs".
In Canada, the Queen's official title is Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of th
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