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US To Drop Mesa  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

This is pretty much what we've already known, but now its being said by the man himself.

http://www.timesonline.com/site/news...=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478569&rfi=6

US to end agreement with Mesa, and to pick up Air Wisconsin instead.
Mesa aircraft will be reallocated to additional flying at United and for the new Delta contract.

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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

"Though passengers might not notice, alliances being forged, renewed and broken in the airline industry will change which regional operator is flying for major airlines."

Passengers most definitely will notice. US Airways Express flights will finally be on time!



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3492 times:

Granted Johnny O gets back in to the US gig through HP. I think it is safe to assume the HP agreement was cheaper than the US one, unless someone has the numbers to say otherwise.  Smile

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5230 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Regional airlines are sleeping around like Paris Hilton, I hope they have protection.

[Edited 2005-05-18 23:18:01]


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User currently offlinePiedmontbrat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Finally, someone at US Airways woke up and smelled the coffee! Mesa has been one of US's biggest problems for the past three years. Their flights haven't been on time or they cancel all together and their service, when operating, is lousy at best.

The sad part about it is that now Delta is going to have to go through the same trauma that US Airways did with Mesa.

Quick...could someone at US Airways give Delta a phone call and let them know what's about to happen????


User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

It's about time US dropped Mesa. I fly Mesa pretty frequently and they're the shoddiest carrier I've ever seen. I can't even name the last time I've been on one of their planes that departed on time.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

I am curious to find out what will happen to the Mesa flights out of MCI, which were US Airways codeshares.

They are EAS, so they are not going anywhere, but I wonder if DL or UA will pick up the code, or if Mesa will be opearting them on their own.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

If they are B1900 flight, they should remain US flights..


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User currently offlineGroundstop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Aren't the MCI flights operated by Air Midwest, which is a seperate entity owned by Mesa? Air Midwest was flying for USAirways Express before Mesa RJ's were.

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

ok. so all mesa flights will be repaced by wisky? what about piedmont how are they doing for us?

User currently offlinePiedmontbrat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

IMUO, they should bring back the Piedmont name to the side of the planes along with a little of the old "can do" spirit that made Piedmont a great carrier up until the Piedmont/US Air merger in the mid 80's.

Of course, I'm just a little prejudiced to Piedmont...first flight on them and all. They did know how to fly and kick butt back in those days though!


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User currently offlineORDZW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 1):
Passengers most definitely will notice. US Airways Express flights will finally be on time!

Thanks buddy, you just added one more person to your "Respected by:" list!

It's nice to see that someone has noticed the job we've been doing!



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

i guess you could say that... but the air wiisconsin flight out of crw is ususally late... but i gues its an exception because its going to ord. the plane is always boarded and ready to go though Big grin even goes and sits on the taxiway at the end of the runway throughout the delay.

anyways.... do you think they'll replace the mesa scheduel exactly, at least in the 50 seat markets?


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

I've flown quite a few USAirways Exp/Mesa flights and they were ok.... nothing out of the ordinary. Maybe the ERJs are just a bit more delay prone?

-n


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Quoting ORDZW (Reply 11):
Thanks buddy, you just added one more person to your "Respected by:" list!

You're welcome. It's amazing how Mesa ends up being 2005 Regional Airline of the Year with their slipshod operation, when there are other regional carriers (Air Wisconsin and Chautauqua come to mind) who are absolutely outstanding. Unfortunately, so much has gone the way of the bean counters in Fort Worth, Elk Grove, Atlanta, Eagan, Houston, and Arlington that those airlines don't realize (well, the ones in Arlington finally are, as evidenced by the title of this thread) that with the amount of money they are saving by having consistently-late Mesa running routes instead of usually-on-time, always-pleasant Chautauqua, it is costing them that much money in rebooking passengers (particularly if flights are full, and a little-known provision in US' CoC is that if a flight goes out full and passengers misconnect, those misconnected passengers are treated as involuntarily-denied-boarding), as well as meal and hotel vouchers for their (be it USX-US connections, or USX-USX connections) passengers...BTW, and somebody else would know this, if a legacy has to spend a hotel room because a regional affiliate has a misconnect because of maintenence, do the regional carriers have to reimburse that legacy?



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11972 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

This RJ orgy among the legacy carriers (sans AA and CO) with regional operators like Mesa, Chautaqua and Air Wisconsin is such a mess!

An excellent analysis of the situation in Michael Boyd's Aviation Hot Flashthis week.


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

boyd is a idiot........and good luck to usair....zw crews have a tendency to have no concept of time(that great idea to not equip the a/c with accars)to make them more accountable....lets see what tune your singing a yr from now....im sure it will be to some extent what is being said today about mesa....


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 16):
boyd is a idiot........and good luck to usair....zw crews have a tendency to have no concept of time(that great idea to not equip the a/c with accars)to make them more accountable....lets see what tune your singing a yr from now....im sure it will be to some extent what is being said today about mesa....

Thats not true. We are in the process of retrofitting our RJ's with ACARS, and the responses have been positive from both the crews and dispatchers alike. I would say that a little more than half of the airplanes have been retrofitted. The 146's will not be fitted, as they will be retired by the end of next winter, in fact ZW is already in the process of closing down the ATW crew base and reallocating a bunch of 146 pilots to the CRJ's, which should be very interesting.

And according to statistics and letters that United has sent us, we were number 1 in on time of all the UAX carriers last month, on time more often than even United themselves.


User currently offlineGroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 16):
zw crews have a tendency to have no concept of time(that great idea to not equip the a/c with accars)to make them more accountable

First of all, it's ACARS. You might want to know how to at least spell what you are speaking of if you intend on making a point that people might consider worthwhile. Second, ZW is in the process of having its entire fleet fitted with ACARS now, a process which I believe is more than half way complete. And third, having worked Mesa flights while at USAirways and Air Wisconsin flights while at AirTran...there is absolutely no comparison. Talk about a concept of time? Mesa crews continually showed late for our CRJ originator to CLT, the dispatch was rarely ready at departure time, and the flight attendants all seem to feel that starting the boarding process five minutes prior to departure is standard. ZW crews that I encountered in ATL were always professional, friendly, and very understanding of issues which may have caused them delay...i.e. our gate space problems. In any event...hope you enjoy your experience with M(aking) E(veryone) S(tranded) A(lways). USAirways landed a far superior product.

JP


User currently offlineMonkey From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

if mesa does stop flying for US. What a/c will be used on the now be1900 runs into smaller cities like pkb or ckb?

john


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

apodino&groundstop,
just because you have acars, doesnt mean that zw and ua have a common link when it comes to unimatic,apollo.....how many times have you gotten calls from zw OR mesa for that matter and were given times(out,off)and the plane IS still sitting at the gate???ALOT....you wanna be the cheerleaders for zw then fine...i call it like i see it...im no means a mesa fan.ual should have learned the first time but money talks....you think ord is congested???ord is like a walk in the park to compared to what you guys are going to go thru on the east coast....good luck



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User currently offlineMidway2AirTran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 16):
boyd is a idiot........

A little crazy sometimes, his comments can be quite entertaining if not humorus. I do agree with him that the RJ glory days are hitting the downward spiral with the current over-saturation of regional aircraft, many of their high frequency routes will be dropped for one-way trips to the desert.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 2):
Granted Johnny O gets back in to the US gig through HP.

Unless Mesa does something soon, its flying for HP may have a chance of being replaced altogether by Air Wisconsin and Republic for the sake of their financing offers with the combined US Air, should it happen. Kudos to Air Wisconsin management as they certainly thought outside-the-box to create the opportunity with US; it now offers even more should the merger go through. The situation could have been ugly otherwise.



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

UAL rejects ZWs bid as it is more than MESA&GO JETS....US says to mesa that they are not renewing anything with them as they are going with ZW.....was the deal breaker the 125milllion????im sure it was...but i wonder what US is paying ZW to fly those routes that the king of low cost(mesa) was willing to charge????i find it hard to believe that usair in BK was able to sign ZW and their high costs lower than ORNSTEIN and his minions were able to do it...obviously ua was blind sided with "east shores"biz move and in order to save some type of face said ok....let usair pay those rates...we will take mesa and the lower rates....wonder how long usair will keep ZW?????even with 125 bones invested in them.....


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 20):
apodino&groundstop,
just because you have acars, doesnt mean that zw and ua have a common link when it comes to unimatic,apollo.....how many times have you gotten calls from zw OR mesa for that matter and were given times(out,off)and the plane SA) and Eagle Air/Arnaflug (Iceland)">IS still sitting at the gate???ALOT....you wanna be the cheerleaders for zw then fine...i call it like i see it...im no means a mesa fan.ual should have learned the first time but money talks....you think ord is congested???ord is like a walk in the park to compared to what you guys are going to go thru on the east coast....good luck

I don't understand what you are trying to say. I work in dispatch and the way it works is simple. If a plane has acars, the times are automatically sent to the stations and dispatch. If it doesn't, the plane radios in to ops who then puts the times into apollo or unimatic. Usually they give out times right as they are being pushed back from the gate, or are about to taxi out. They give off times right before taking the active, because they can't call off times until well after takeoff as the crew has other issues to worry about at that time.

As far as them calling in times to ops, you are partially correct. But since the station ops does the load planning for SA)">ZW flights, they tend to get their numbers in the same call, as well for weight and balance. We like to get this done right before leaving the gate, but sometimes we have to do it on the taxi out. And I can't tell you how many times I have gotten calls from crews saying that the ops freq at ord is congested.

And in the planes that have acars, the on time performance has been exactly the same as before acars if not better. I can't speak for mesa, but totally agree with you about Mesa based on everything I have heard.

As far as ORD being a cakewalk compared to the east coast lets see. Anytime the weather is bad in ORD they put in a delay program, and assign slots, which United seems to trade into and make all the express slots worse. PHI may be a problem in real bad weather, but not as often as ORD. Ditto at LGA. CLT and PIT are rarely delay proned. I have never seen a delay program at DCA before. And also remember that much of our current flying is in the east already. We won't be in IAD much, but Potomac Approach is notorious for long vectors and holds into IAD, plus they have what seems like a daily ground stop there.

Quoting Midway2AirTran (Reply 21):
Unless Mesa does something soon, its flying for SA)">HP may have a chance of being replaced altogether by Air Wisconsin and Republic for the sake of their financing offers with the combined US Air, should it happen. Kudos to Air Wisconsin management as they certainly thought outside-the-box to create the opportunity with US; it now offers even more should the merger go through. The situation could have been ugly otherwise.

The rumor on the street is now Wexford Capital, which is the one providing the money from the republic side of the deal, may not be involved in this after all. Apparently there are lots of sources willing to pony money into a merger, including Airbus in exchange for A350 orders, and Air Canada, which is better for the company than the Republic deal, so Wall Street seems to think this may be off the Table. SA)">ZW is definitely happening, and the deal is for ten years, so we will be an express carrier until 2015 at least.

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 22):
UAL rejects ZWs bid as it is more than MESA&GO JETS....US says to mesa that they are not renewing anything with them as they are going with SA)">ZW.....was the deal breaker the 125milllion????im sure it was...but i wonder what US is paying SA)">ZW to fly those routes that the king of low cost(mesa) was willing to charge????i find it hard to believe that usair in BK was able to sign SA)">ZW and their high costs lower than ORNSTEIN and his minions were able to do it...obviously ua was blind sided with "east shores"biz move and in order to save some type of face said ok....let usair pay those rates...we will take mesa and the lower rates....wonder how long usair will keep SA)">ZW?????even with 125 bones invested in them.....

The bottom line is that United wanted SA)">ZW to cut their costs by nearly 40 percent to retain our business, which would have put Air Wisconsin out of business entirely. United thought they could do that, but as you said, were caught off guard with the USAirways deal, which they did knowing that an Indepedence Air type deal would have been suicidal. As long as Mesa continues with their current way of doing business, (which includes having a new hire class of dispatchers in three weeks, and starting the interviewing process in that time, then giving you a week to relocate on your own expense without any help before class when you can't even quit your current job), they will continue to be the Kia of regional airlines. And you might take Mesa and Gojets, but Gojets doesn't have their operating certificate yet, and Mesa just sucks. And USAir can't dump us for ten years per the agreement we signed with them. Good luck to United, I would like to see the company survive with different leadership. It will be tough to win loyalty though based on the mainline employee morale and some of the express partners.


User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Does Air Willy still operate the 146? Might be interesting to see one in US colors.

25 SegmentKing : The REAL reason behind the seperation between AWAC and United is due to the fact that if UAL keeps AWAC, its stuck with the BAe 146s and their crews,
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : The 146's are not going over the US Express operation. When finished with United Express, they will be retired. The only reason US is parting with Mes
27 SHUPirate1 : PSU.DTW.SCE-Very true, however, it does need to be said that US Airways' Express operation will be better for Mesa no longer being in the system. Jus
28 Saab2000 : I have nothing against United at all. I have had nearly universally good experiences with them during the 13 months I have been with AWAC. But their m
29 Ouboy79 : I believe it was reported that the Air Wisky contract was lower than Mesa's current US contract.
30 Saab2000 : If ZW invests 125 million into US Airways and will have 3 seats on the board I guess it is pretty clear why they will be flying as US Airways Express.
31 Rwdriver : I don't get it either. As a platinum on HP... I avoide Mesa (HPExpress) whenever I can. The reliability is unbelievably low and while the people are f
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