SignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6825 times:
Hi,
I have heard this from a member on another aviation site (plane-mad), the member said there is to be a ban on the Boeing 737-200's in the UK from the start of 2006, due to the noise they make.
Personally, I think its a load of rubbish. I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything else.
Don't think that I am silly for believing (or not) what a member has said of another website, I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything else about this, so I can confirm its a load of twoddle.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11024 posts, RR: 53 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6593 times:
Those B-737-200s that have hush kits installed meet the Stage 3 requirements. UK is a member of ICAO, thus cannot change the noise requirements without ICAO approval. This seems to be just a rumor, there are still a lot of B-732s with a lot of useful life left in them.
Jmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6285 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 1): What would Palmair do about this?
Quoting European (Reply 3): What would European Aircharter do you mean! Palmair is operated by European, The would both be in trouble.
Palmair charter European to do the flights. Palmair would simply charter another airline with more modern aircraft and be done with it. Palmair would be fine. European would be in trouble.
There was something I read about a possible ban on 732s and other aircraft by the end of the year across Europe (ie an EU thing.) However this idea has long since been abolished, although I think they gave the power for individual airport authorities to ban such aircraft if they see fit.
Glom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2793 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6260 times:
The question is would this help in the battle against the NIMBYs. Would this make the neighbours more cooperative and tolerant of whatever an airport does?
Trident2e From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1327 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6175 times:
From ICAO's website:
Commencing 1 January 2006, the new standard will apply to newly certificated aeroplanes and to Chapter 3 aeroplanes for which re-certification to Chapter 4 is requested.
Drinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6075 times:
Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 5): Palmair charter European to do the flights. Palmair would simply charter another airline with more modern aircraft and be done with it. Palmair would be fine. European would be in trouble.
Palmair, owned by Bath Travel (Peter Bath), is a major shareholder in European - that wouldn't happen.
BananaBoY From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 1519 posts, RR: 33 Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5949 times:
I thought the ban on the older equipment was also due to EU emission laws. I seem to recall American hushkit manufacturers kicking up a stink about this as, understandably, it would limit the market for older aircraft flying with their hushkits.
Mark
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JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4968 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2): UK is a member of ICAO, thus cannot change the noise requirements without ICAO approval.
It's an EU requirement, that goes further than ICAO Stage 3. Member states are free to apply whatever noise restrictions they like, hence the particularly severe noise restrictions at SNA, LCY etc etc.
GLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1951 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4781 times:
IMO I hope they do get rid of the 732. Older aircraft are certain to be more dangerous. I'm not saying that something will happen if they remain in service or that a brand new 777 couldn't have a fault. There are plenty of newer versions of the 737 available. But generally age and safety don't mix well.
If you were to take a percentage of the 732's amongst other 737 varients in UK skies I'm sure it would be a very small majority. Perhaps Boeing could come to an agreement with airlines who still operate to the UK with the 732 and offer them a cut price deal on a new aircraft.
Just my thoguhts.
Gaz
Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 71 Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4483 times:
Quoting Madaboutdeltic (Reply 19): what about other older noisey, smokey aircraft ie my beloved tupolev tu-154?
Is the Tu-154 allowed to operate in the EU? A few years ago, TE sold their 12 YAK-42Ds because they could no longer fly them to the EU. With the money raised from the sale (10 to Russia, 2 to the Lithuanian Olympic Committee), they bought 2 old B737-200s.
Diesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1623 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4414 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 1): What would Palmair do about this?
Charter someone else for their flights - it used to be Flightline (branded as Palmair) a few years ago with BAe146s, and prior to this they used a selection of UK charter airlines including Excalibur, Princess Air, TEA UK, Amber Air and Airways International Cymru.
Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 5): European would be in trouble.
Don't you think European would already be aware?
Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 8): Palmair, owned by Bath Travel (Peter Bath), is a major shareholder in European - that wouldn't happen.
IIRC, although this was planned, it never happened and EAC remained until the control of Paul Stoddart
Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 16): Older aircraft are certain to be more dangerous
Rubbish. The suggestion that old is dangerous is false. Dangerous can be down to a a variety of reasons... maintenance, airmanship, design etc..
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4351 times:
I believe that the EU was originally planning to ban noisier a/c like the 732 (and 722 for that matter), but that pressure was applied by the US to stop the ban as this would discriminate against US-built a/c - the reasoning was that its mainly US-built aircraft that are the noisy ones, and banning them would potentially inhibit parts sales.
Jmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 21): IIRC, although this was planned, it never happened and EAC remained until the control of Paul Stoddart
Thats what I thought as well. Weren't Bath Travel and Travel City Direct (who at the time were using EAC for their Florida Programme) going to undertake a joint buyout of EAC. All fell through though, and EAC remains Stoddard's company.
Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 21): Don't you think European would already be aware?
Yeah, didnt think of that one! Opps! Anyhow, I guess they'd still be in trouble, I dount they've got the cash and resources to fund fleet re-newal.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 20): Is the Tu-154 allowed to operate in the EU? A few years ago, TE sold their 12 YAK-42Ds because they could no longer fly them to the EU. With the money raised from the sale (10 to Russia, 2 to the Lithuanian Olympic Committee), they bought 2 old B737-200s.
tu154m flys regularly into LHR or LGW with pulkovo also balkan holidays leases 3 tu154m from hemus air which you will regularly see (sometimes two at a time) at MAN and other airports in the uk.
25 Jamesbuk: you mean government officials know what a plane is?????? i dont see the point in banning a the 732 as they will probably start to die out sooner or la
26 RayChuang: This is not surprising considering that most of the 737-200 fleet are getting way up there in terms of airframe life anyway. I mean, WN has already ph
27 747727: I hope they don't kill off the 737-200's they are my favorite aeroplane and after working on all of Ryanairs 732's I would be very sad to see them dis
28 Bennett123: How many B737-200 fly into the UK on a regular basis?.
29 Madaboutdeltic: ryanair still operate 4 or 5 but these are soon to retired as more and more new 738s arrive apart from that euopean air charter have a few too which
30 Drinkstrolley: I see that EAC is now trading as European Skybus Ltd, I'll look it up at companies house when I've got a few minutes just to be nosey!
31 HAWK21M: Totally wrong Thinking. Its just Economically Difficult to Maintain older Aircraft. Out Here soon CD will be getting theirs converted to Freighters &
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