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Boeing 737-200 Ban In The UK At The End Of 2005  
User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11419 times:

Hi,

I have heard this from a member on another aviation site (plane-mad), the member said there is to be a ban on the Boeing 737-200's in the UK from the start of 2006, due to the noise they make.

Personally, I think its a load of rubbish. I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything else.

Don't think that I am silly for believing (or not) what a member has said of another website, I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything else about this, so I can confirm its a load of twoddle.

Cheers, Ryan  Smile

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User currently onlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11239 times:

What would Palmair do about this?

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11187 times:

Those B-737-200s that have hush kits installed meet the Stage 3 requirements. UK is a member of ICAO, thus cannot change the noise requirements without ICAO approval. This seems to be just a rumor, there are still a lot of B-732s with a lot of useful life left in them.

User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11173 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
What would Palmair do about this?

What would European Aircharter do you mean! Palmair is operated by European, The would both be in trouble.

I always know when a 737-200 has taken off from Bournemouth, u can always hear them....

Though European is planning to get rid of the 737-200's to OZJET and then get 737-300's.

How many airlines are currently operating the 737-200 in Europe.

And yes, Ryan, I think this ban has been known for a long time, well I have known for a long time Big grin

cya

Jimmi


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10956 times:

I reckon it's a conspiracy by Boeing. They could make a killing replacing 732s with 737NGs.

I can't see there being a ban on the aircraft so much as noise abatement regulations mean it can't be used in the important places.


User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
What would Palmair do about this?



Quoting European (Reply 3):
What would European Aircharter do you mean! Palmair is operated by European, The would both be in trouble.

Palmair charter European to do the flights. Palmair would simply charter another airline with more modern aircraft and be done with it. Palmair would be fine. European would be in trouble.

There was something I read about a possible ban on 732s and other aircraft by the end of the year across Europe (ie an EU thing.) However this idea has long since been abolished, although I think they gave the power for individual airport authorities to ban such aircraft if they see fit.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10854 times:

The question is would this help in the battle against the NIMBYs. Would this make the neighbours more cooperative and tolerant of whatever an airport does?

User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10769 times:

From ICAO's website:

Commencing 1 January 2006, the new standard will apply to newly certificated aeroplanes and to Chapter 3 aeroplanes for which re-certification to Chapter 4 is requested.


User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10669 times:

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 5):
Palmair charter European to do the flights. Palmair would simply charter another airline with more modern aircraft and be done with it. Palmair would be fine. European would be in trouble.

Palmair, owned by Bath Travel (Peter Bath), is a major shareholder in European - that wouldn't happen.


User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10648 times:

Check the door handle on this European 737-200, dodgy!!!!!

It's not the noise they should be worrying about!!!!


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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10570 times:

Drinkstrolley, that is an occurance that happens more often than you might think, ans it isn't only on -200 series' either,

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1586 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10543 times:

I thought the ban on the older equipment was also due to EU emission laws. I seem to recall American hushkit manufacturers kicking up a stink about this as, understandably, it would limit the market for older aircraft flying with their hushkits.


Mark



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10329 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 4):
I reckon it's a conspiracy by Boeing. They could make a killing replacing 732s with 737NGs.

Carrot & Stick Policy  Smile

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 9):
Check the door handle on this European 737-200, dodgy!!!!!

Common occurances.If the Door is opened from Outside & the Springloaded Handle not stored properly.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineDOC From Canada, joined May 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9580 times:

How old is the 737 200

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
UK is a member of ICAO, thus cannot change the noise requirements without ICAO approval.

It's an EU requirement, that goes further than ICAO Stage 3. Member states are free to apply whatever noise restrictions they like, hence the particularly severe noise restrictions at SNA, LCY etc etc.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

Quoting DOC (Reply 13):
How old is the 737 200

B737-200
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9375 times:

IMO I hope they do get rid of the 732. Older aircraft are certain to be more dangerous. I'm not saying that something will happen if they remain in service or that a brand new 777 couldn't have a fault. There are plenty of newer versions of the 737 available. But generally age and safety don't mix well.

If you were to take a percentage of the 732's amongst other 737 varients in UK skies I'm sure it would be a very small majority. Perhaps Boeing could come to an agreement with airlines who still operate to the UK with the 732 and offer them a cut price deal on a new aircraft.

Just my thoguhts.

Gaz



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9312 times:

I would like to see more 737NGs. I also would like to see more A32Xs (they're so cute).

User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Quote:
I also would like to see more A32Xs (they're so cute).

Go to LHR, you wont be saying that anymore!

Sam biggrin 



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineMadaboutdeltic From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9173 times:

if this ban is going to apply to 732s what about other older noisey, smokey aircraft ie my beloved tupolev tu-154?

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9077 times:

Quoting Madaboutdeltic (Reply 19):
what about other older noisey, smokey aircraft ie my beloved tupolev tu-154?

Is the Tu-154 allowed to operate in the EU? A few years ago, TE sold their 12 YAK-42Ds because they could no longer fly them to the EU. With the money raised from the sale (10 to Russia, 2 to the Lithuanian Olympic Committee), they bought 2 old B737-200s.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9008 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
What would Palmair do about this?

Charter someone else for their flights - it used to be Flightline (branded as Palmair) a few years ago with BAe146s, and prior to this they used a selection of UK charter airlines including Excalibur, Princess Air, TEA UK, Amber Air and Airways International Cymru.

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 5):
European would be in trouble.

Don't you think European would already be aware?

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 8):
Palmair, owned by Bath Travel (Peter Bath), is a major shareholder in European - that wouldn't happen.

IIRC, although this was planned, it never happened and EAC remained until the control of Paul Stoddart

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 16):
Older aircraft are certain to be more dangerous

Rubbish. The suggestion that old is dangerous is false. Dangerous can be down to a a variety of reasons... maintenance, airmanship, design etc..



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8945 times:

I believe that the EU was originally planning to ban noisier a/c like the 732 (and 722 for that matter), but that pressure was applied by the US to stop the ban as this would discriminate against US-built a/c - the reasoning was that its mainly US-built aircraft that are the noisy ones, and banning them would potentially inhibit parts sales.

Andy


User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 21):
IIRC, although this was planned, it never happened and EAC remained until the control of Paul Stoddart

Thats what I thought as well. Weren't Bath Travel and Travel City Direct (who at the time were using EAC for their Florida Programme) going to undertake a joint buyout of EAC. All fell through though, and EAC remains Stoddard's company.

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 21):
Don't you think European would already be aware?

Yeah, didnt think of that one! Opps! Anyhow, I guess they'd still be in trouble, I dount they've got the cash and resources to fund fleet re-newal.


User currently offlineMadaboutdeltic From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 20):



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 20):
Is the Tu-154 allowed to operate in the EU? A few years ago, TE sold their 12 YAK-42Ds because they could no longer fly them to the EU. With the money raised from the sale (10 to Russia, 2 to the Lithuanian Olympic Committee), they bought 2 old B737-200s.

tu154m flys regularly into LHR or LGW with pulkovo also balkan holidays leases 3 tu154m from hemus air which you will regularly see (sometimes two at a time) at MAN and other airports in the uk.


25 Post contains images Jamesbuk : you mean government officials know what a plane is?????? i dont see the point in banning a the 732 as they will probably start to die out sooner or la
26 RayChuang : This is not surprising considering that most of the 737-200 fleet are getting way up there in terms of airframe life anyway. I mean, WN has already ph
27 747727 : I hope they don't kill off the 737-200's they are my favorite aeroplane and after working on all of Ryanairs 732's I would be very sad to see them dis
28 Bennett123 : How many B737-200 fly into the UK on a regular basis?.
29 Post contains images Madaboutdeltic : ryanair still operate 4 or 5 but these are soon to retired as more and more new 738s arrive apart from that euopean air charter have a few too which
30 Drinkstrolley : I see that EAC is now trading as European Skybus Ltd, I'll look it up at companies house when I've got a few minutes just to be nosey!
31 HAWK21M : Totally wrong Thinking. Its just Economically Difficult to Maintain older Aircraft. Out Here soon CD will be getting theirs converted to Freighters &
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