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Airlines Not In AMS Anymore  
User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Whatever happened to airlines like Philipine Airlines, Korean Air, South African, Emirates, Thai in AMS. They don't seem to be interested (anymore) in flying to AMS with their own equipment. Are they codesharing ?
Is Garuda still doing AMS at this point ? I am not sure about that.

Will we ever see those airlines back at AMS ?

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User currently offlineLazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

I recently heard that Garuda code shares its London route with MH, They probably code-share with someone for AMS.

-lazyshaun-



I came. I saw. I conquered
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Garuda stoped all European services a couple of years ago. Likewise PAL (Philipine Airlines) after they were grounded for a time back in the late 90s.


Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Korean just returned

User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 2):
Garuda stoped all European services a couple of years ago

Not entirely true, because I have found photos here on a.net from Garuda at AMS in 2004, just not in 2005.
That's why I am wondering if Garuda finally decided to also quit AMS, which to me sounds strange because of the historical bonds between Indonesia and The Netherlands.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

2004 was Garudas last year at AMS.


No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting Junior1970 (Reply 4):
I am wondering if Garuda finally decided to also quit AMS,

GA decided in July 2004 to stop CGK-AMS flights beginning in October 2004. Thsi was their last remaining flight to Europe. Last week there was a thread about it: Garuda Indonesia And Europe - What Happened? (by Lazyshaun May 12 2005 in Civil Aviation).
Sad thing: no more pics of a nice GA bird at AMS Sad


User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

AMS is not giving EK rights to land for one reason or another. I think it is to protect KLM. But EK Sky Cargo flies to AMS.

I wonder now after Air France bought KLM, would EK apply for landing rights again? EK somehow is not getting landing right to Holland and also to Spain. Something to do with KLM and Iberia, as far as I heard.

Please correct me if I am wrong


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Quoting EK156 (Reply 7):
AMS is not giving EK rights to land for one reason or another. I think it is to protect KLM. But EK Sky Cargo flies to AMS.

EK156 you're incorrect. All the slots EK has (and gets) are used (and probably will be used) for its cargo flights at this this the most porfitable. AMS is still low yield for pax but high yield for cargo. Furthermore, EK serves the Dutch market from DUS

Quoting Junior1970 (Thread starter):
Whatever happened to airlines like Philipine Airlines, Korean Air, South African, Emirates, Thai in AMS

PR is codesharing with KLM (KLM 777) EK flies cargo into AMS (very profitable I've been told), Thai just has probably no real business in AMS as AMS-BKK is already crowded (even before Phuket Air came and left) and South African has focussed on other airports.

We also lost Air India, Bangladesh Biman, Gulf Air, SriLanka (okay at the time it was still called Air Lanka), Aerolineas Argentinas and a lot more.


User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 8):
We also lost Air India, Bangladesh Biman, Gulf Air, SriLanka (okay at the time it was still called Air Lanka), Aerolineas Argentinas and a lot more.

To sad they left!! Gulf air would be the best livery for spotting Big grin



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

But when I spoke to one of the managers of KLM in Dubai, they told me that AMS is not giving EK slots or rights or something of that sort to protect KLM!!!

Don't you think AMS is a more important airport than DUS? I mean I am just asking?


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Kuwait Airways also left AMS!

Rob!


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting EK156 (Reply 7):
AMS is not giving EK rights to land for one reason or another. I think it is to protect KLM. But EK Sky Cargo flies to AMS.

Wrong. EK currently uses all of it slots that it requested. It just chose to operate cargoflights on these slots because they think there's more money for them in these flights.

Quoting EK156 (Reply 10):
But when I spoke to one of the managers of KLM in Dubai, they told me that AMS is not giving EK slots or rights or something of that sort to protect KLM!!!

They've informed you wrong. If EK is applying for more slots, they will taken into the yearly "slot-lottery" as I like to call it. Big chance that it will be approved.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

Does anyone have a list of airlines that left AMS with dates?
When did Thai and SAA leave?

Quoting B742 (Reply 11):
Kuwait Airways also left AMS!

last flight KU was October 29, 2004. What route do they use now for KWI- USA?


User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Hmmm.... AMS is quite an important connecting airport. I wonder why emirates is using it only for Cargo. They are flying to Vienna, DUS, soon Geneva and Hamburg. Do you thing the traffic to these airports is higher than that to AMS?

What about Spain? Howcome EK doesn't fly to Spain?


User currently offlineSPL From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1811 times:

Update of new/stopped airlines at AMS the last 7 months:

New airliners:

MHS Air Memphis -> started 6th of November 2004.
8A Atlas Blue Airlines -> started 24th of December 2004.
VSG Visig Airlines -> started 27th of December 2004.
BJ Nouvelair -> started 12th of March 2005.
NI Portugalia Airlines -> started 27th of March 2005.
9R Phuket Airlines -> started 27th of March 2005.
KE Korean Airlines -> started 28th of March 2005 (summer airline).
CAI Corendon Airlines -> started 1th of April 2005.
VG VLM Airlines -> started 4th of April 2005.
AB Air Berlin -> started 1st of May 2005.
NB Sterling European Airlines -> started 1th of May 2005.
BGH Balkan Holiday -> started 3th of may 2005.
AC Air Canada -> started 1st of July 2005 (summer airline).

Stopped airlines:

6G Air Wales -> stopped 31th of October 2004.
KU Kuwait Airways -> stopped 1st of November 2004.
GA Garuda Airlines -> stopped 1st of November 2004.
OAW Helvetic Airlines -> stopped 21st of November 2004.
9R Phuket Airlines -> stopped around the 30th of April 2005.


Groeten Martijn


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