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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Just flew an ASA ATR 72 from MGM to ATL -- one of the ugliest aircraft every made -- do any other US airlines use these? I've flown them outside the US (most notably AeroMar) but did not realize a major US carrier flew these

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

American Eagle is the only major one next to ASA.

[Edited 2005-05-19 03:19:39]


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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Thread starter):
did not realize a major US carrier flew these

To clarify, ASA is a subsidiary of Delta. Ergo, a "major U.S. airline" does not fly them. American Eagle was/is a huge ATR-42/72 operator, as was Pan Am Express back in the day.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4928 times:
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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4887 times:

Generally speaking, American Eagle (or, more specifically, its subsidiary Executive Airlines) is pleased with the performance and customer experience associated with the Super ATR, but I don't know about ASA's view of the plane. But, I do not from personal experience that if you think the Super ATR is bad, the ATR-42 is hell with a propeller. That plane was truly horrendous, from customer experience to efficiency to reliability, which is part of the reason why Eagle recently offloaded all of them to FedEx. They will probably make great freight haulers.

User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4882 times:

FlyHawaii Airlines, which is planning inter-island service in Hawaii, will use the ATR72.

The FedEx, Trans States, Northern Air Cargo, and Continental Connection ATR's shown are all ATR42s, the smaller version.

David / ABQ


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4868 times:

And don't forget Continental Express

They have not flown for Continental Express for several years.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 4790 times:

They may be ugly but they are a workhorse. I've flown on them alot between STL-SFG, ATL-TRI, and smaller destinations. It seems like if the distance is under 200 miles, a jet really doesn't save that much time. They taxi and push back just as fast as a jet.

User currently offlineClrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

How many ATR-72's does ASA still have? I personally don't see them as being ugly......but, to each his own, I guess.  Cool

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

The interiors seem fairly roomy for a prop. Much better than those j31s.

User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

I'm more of a fan of turboprops myself, so I'm probably a bit biased here, but I like flying in the ATRs - and comfort-wise, I haven't noticed a significant difference between the -72-210s and -42-300s that Eagle operated (the -210s are now being replaced with -500s). The ATR72-500s, though, have 6-bladed props and have much less vibration - a plus for those who hate turboprops, but a slight disappointment for us propellorheads that love the heavier vibration of the PW120 series with 4 blades. As per ASA, weren't there rumours going around about them replacing their ATRs with Q400s?


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User currently offlineBNAflyer78 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Just spoke with a friend of mine who flies for ASA. At last count, there were 16 ATR's in the fleet. Can anyone else confirm?


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

Not sure abou the number of AT7s in ASA's fleet as of today, but they used to have a total of 19, of which 7 were leased and which will now be retired, as leases on them expire.

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

There used to be several ATRs at ATL. Are these being replaced with crjs? There seems to be an abundance of those on the market right now. I still think they could carry as many or more passengers with an ATR72 and do it alot cheaper to those smaller eastern citys around ATL (TRI, FLO, etc).

User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

About 75% of the ASA flights into Gainesville, FL are on ATR-72s. I've probably flown on them over 100 times in the last 5 years.

Though I'd always prefer taking the CRJ, the ATR's don't really bother me that much once that I purchased the Bose Noise reducing headsets. The hour and a quarter flight from GNV to ATL is so much more pleasant with the noise reducing headsets that it's beyond description.

My biggest pet peeve about the ATR is operational - ASA crews don't usually operate the AC while the plane is at the stand (even though the number 2 engine has a prop brake that allows them to do this). This results in a cabin that seems like it is 100 degree with no air circulation when you get on a flight in Atlanta during the summer.

The FA's on ASA tell me that the -72's are going to be replaced with CRJ700's as the 700's come into ASA's fleet.


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

You know what, if some had not asked, I could tell you how many ATR's ASA has. But because someone asked, I am having a continuous brain fart. I do know that the current fleet did run under 20 planes. They were given 500 and 600 ship numbers. The 500's(I think 7) were to be retired and the 600's would keep on flying.

As far as them being retired as the CR7's come online, I would doubt it. One reason is that there is no way for a CR7 to replace an ATR, and its just as hard for a CRJ to. Most of the ATR routes for ASA are towns like ABY, DHN, TRI, GNV, etc. Most of them(except GNV) are within decent distance from ATL to where a CRJ would not get there any faster. A good friend of mine is a dispatcher for ASA and tells me that the ATR costs less to operate than a CRJ, which makes sense. So they cost less, carry more, and are a true workhorse. So I would not see them being retired anytime soon until you start seeing the age really starting to show.

And how can you NOT love the ATR? I think its a cute little bird. Granted, they have their problems. The baggage bin up front could hold more, given a bigger net, the tail section is a pain to load bags in by squeezing past the galley(I've heard), and its not the MOST comfortable plane ever built-with the typical shapeless, leather seats with minimal room to recline. Its not something I want to take on a cross country flight. But on a flight that will take roughly a half hour-1 hr, its not a bad ride.

Oh, I forgot one more of its little problems, ICE is a four letter word to ATR pilots.


Otto


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

The switch in GNV is driven by capacity. Flyers certainly prefer the CRJ200's but the demand is such that ASA couldn't meet it with just CRJ flights. I'd estimate that the ATL - GNV load factors regularly exceed 85% with several flights a day on the ATR and two on the CRJ200's. Frequently the flights are oversold. (Note to college age travellers - if you're schedule for the Friday afternoon flights from ATL to GNV [they're frequently oversold], don't jump at the first $200 Delta Dollar offer the rep makes - a business traveller who's been away from home for the entire week is not going to delay his return until 10:30 PM or midnight for $200. Sit tight and the offer will go up to about $400).

The -700's will give ASA roughly the same capacity as the ATR's and cut the enroute time by about 25 minutes.

I would imagine that the yields on the route are also very good given what I've had to pay.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

I don't think the ATR is one of the ugliest props ever built - the Fokker 50 or the Dash 8 certainly does not look much better, not to speak about the Jetstream 41 or the BAe ATP.

On short sectors I prefer the ATR42 compared to those claustrophobic CRJs and ERJs. At least in Europe airlines don't jump on this "all-jet" bandwaggon which is just insane on a lot of the shorter sectors.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5428 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
which is part of the reason why Eagle recently offloaded all of them to FedEx.

Eagle is still flying tons of 'em all across the Caribbean and Florida - couple of hundred flights a day!

Jimbo



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but many of those Eagle ATRs in the Caribbean were once based at ORD. The Indiana crash back in the 90's was caused by ice and after that they moved the ATRs to warmer bases (DFW, MIA, SJU).

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5428 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 20):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but many of those Eagle ATRs in the Caribbean were once based at ORD. The Indiana crash back in the 90's was caused by ice and after that they moved the ATRs to warmer bases (DFW, MIA, SJU).

You are 100% correct  Smile



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Those damn things look like death traps and seem to be very poorly designed IMHO. My two cents from working them at DAB on occasion.


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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7649 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

He was refering to Eagle getting rid of the -42's which were problematic. The -72's still fly out of MIA and SJU. Yes, after the crash of the Eagle ATR 42 in icing conditions in Indiana, that winter the ATR fleet was moved south from ORD and replaced with Saab's. That was only short-lived and the ATR's later returned to ORD the following Spring.

User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 21):
You are 100% correct

Almost  wink . One has to take into account that around that time (or immediately thereafter) Eagle started taking delivery of ERJs, which replaced the ATR on its midwestern routes, not to mention that the ATRs were much better suited for the higher cargo volume in the Caribbean. I think that whether the crash happened or not, the ATRs would've ultimately ended up in MIA/SJU.



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25 EMBQA : ....after the crash of the Eagle ATR 42 in icing conditions in Indiana The crash in Roselawn,IN was an American Eagle ATR-72...not a ATR-42
26 RedDragon : I assume that the Super part refers to the -500 series (aka -210A)? Rich
27 Pope : Even ASA has had to cancel certain flights during unusually harsh winter days out of ATL because of the icing fears. I was once return to GNV on a fli
28 NASBWI : Not necessarily. I could be wrong, but I think AA Eagle was the only airline to add "super ATR" to the top of its (ATR 72) tails; it might've been mo
29 Post contains images RedDragon : Fair enough. It's not as if AA ever based any of their marketing type names in reality
30 Arrow : Was the icing vulnerability specific to the ATRs, or do the Dashes have a similar achilles heel? They do have very similar designs. I remember some k
31 Commavia : Yep. This was one of the big reasons why Eagle pulled all ATRs out of ORD back in 1999 and made it an all-RJ hub. During incliment weather, be it ext
32 Pope : I know that the FAA and ATR conducted a special series of tests after the crash in IN. A tanker aircraft flew in front of an ATR spraying a water mix
33 Post contains links Pope : Here's the NTSB report Vol I http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1996/aar9601.pdf Vol II http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1996/aar9602.pdf
34 TokyoNarita : If anyone was wondering, as of May 9, 2004 ASA has 12 ATR-72s 33 CRJ700s...will be 34 tomorrow 99 CRJ200s Not that many ATRs left. TokyoNarita.
35 Hawaiian717 : I have heard nothing about the Dash 8 having similar problems. Remember, the plane comes from Canada... David / ABQ
36 Ken4556 : For the record, ASA does not fly the ATR in Albany, GA (ABY) All four roundtrips are on CRJ.
37 AV8AJET : May 20, 2005: 10:27 a.m. DST ASA on Friday took delivery of its newest CRJ700, ship N760EV. With this latest addition, the fleet is now comprised of 3
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