Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3817 times:
So I assume with this merger--the existing route structure will remain intact--with additional routes coming online late? For example--I could expect to see the new US Airways flying from IAH to PHX, LAS, CLT, PIT, PHL, and DCA?
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3798 times:
According to one of the PIT papers, it could also slide...
"The announcement, while expected this afternoon, could also slide a day or two, according to US Airways Chairman David Bronner, who told Bloomberg News that the agreement may come at the end of this week or early next week."
Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3636 times:
back to drerx7's question - i think very little original components for both airlines will remain 'intact'. route/hub restructuring; fleet simplification; maintenance, reservations, etc. consolidation...these all seem to be automatic if any savings and efficiencies are to be realized. and there undoubtedly will be associated job cuts.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3583 times:
Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!
Ozark....sorry man, I think your wrong on all of them , but its a hard industry to predict. I think we have to wait till the next 2 are caught in a room chatting!
ASSFO
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Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
The problem is not too many airlines or overcapacity. The planes are all flying full or nearly full. The problems are 1) the airlines underpricing their fares to get business and the public demanding too much for too little and 2) management and employees who are working in a 2005 cutthroat environment with a 1965 mentality ("that's not my job", "we'll just screw the employees and customers", "full pay till the last day", "But I've got more seniority", etc.)
Every one of those mentalities needs to be thrown out the window. And the airlines start charging fares high enough to cover their operations.
Quoting AS739X (Reply 9): Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!
I agree. While I do think that if AA were to merge with another airline, it would be AS, and if AS were to merge with another airline, it would be AA, but I doubt that either really has an appetite right now for a merger.
These two companies have arguably come farther since 9/11 in restructuring their operations and remodeling their business to aim for sustained profitability. Both have come so far and I think that the management teams of both AA and AS are far too focused on fixing their own problems without having to worry about industry consolidation.
Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3429 times:
spot on, mattd. you hear about these record high load factors - what difference does it make if the seats are being sold at dirt cheap levels?
it's a simplistic view, but i think there is a large component of the flying public now that would still pay $200 for a flight - even if a competitor was offering one for $160 - especially if the $200 fare came on a carrier that the customer preferred for whatever reason. sure, you are always going to have the customers who go with "lowest price", but i don't think that is or needs to be the prevailing driver.
if US/HP goes thru, i'd think the focus we need to be on a route structure and overall product that is competitive with other carriers - especially the LCCs - on its own merits, without the emphasis being on matching the low fares.
Bridogger6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 710 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3337 times:
Quoting Matt D (Reply 11): The problem is not too many airlines or overcapacity. The planes are all flying full or nearly full.
This is not even close to true... fly non-rev a lot on any airlines and you know it's easy to find flights that aren't full all the time. Sure, some airlines may be experiencing record load factors, but certainly not all of them. There IS indeed a problem with overcapacity.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12590 posts, RR: 64 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3265 times:
This morning's Arizona Republic has US Airways CEO Bruce Lakefield arriving in PHX on an HP flight - probably not flying in on US so he could duck questions from his own people!
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4055 posts, RR: 23 Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3192 times:
I have a feeling we are back in the cycle of a few mergers, few bankruptcies, and then a rash of a new start ups.
As far as who is next...who knows. HP/US was really the only gimme in the industry. However, it would come to logic that Alaska, AirTran, Frontier, or other niche carriers will become targets soon.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3137 times:
I have always thought that if FL and F9 flew the same aircraft, they would be a good fit. If FL didn't have a large 717 fleet, a WN/FL combination wouldn't be out of the question.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 27 Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3131 times:
It's not necessarily an issue of over-capacity.
Fuel. Big-Time.
The new HP/US, if anything, will give the new entity more "Pricing-Power" in the marketplace. Increased market share means better chances of fare-increases "sticking".
Planes can fly full all day and all night, but if the fares don't cover the costs, it ain't gonna work. Plain and simple.
The US Airline Network is operating under a plague of low-fares with little or no relevance to the actual value of the service. (And at the same time, people in hub-dominated markets are being gouged without mercy.)
It's an un-fair system at the moment....something's gotta give.
This is but only the first step.
There will be more.....but please.....leave Alaska/Horizon alone.
The first thing I wonder about, if history teaches us nothing, will this be another East coast (Midwest) airline, taking over another West coast (Mountainwest) airline; only to see the Western USA network erode into nothing....?
Republic<>Hughes Air West
American<> AirCal
American<>RenoAir
USAir<>Pacific Southwest
Continental<>Frontier
And to an extent Delta<>Western, although, Delta has done the best job of the lot in maintaining the most of their acquired West markets.
I respect Southwest Airlines (a lot), but do we really want to see 300-400 flights a day out of Phoenix? And Las Vegas...?
Possible scenario if US Airways has not yet learned from past transgressions.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3074 times:
HP and HA
Quoting Stirling (Reply 21): The first thing I wonder about, if history teaches us nothing, will this be another East coast (Midwest) airline, taking over another West coast (Mountainwest) airline; only to see the Western USA network erode into nothing....?
Given the size of HP's western ops, I seriously doubt it will be eroded, especially considering that HP is running the show.
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11738 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3073 times:
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4114 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
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Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 15): There IS indeed a problem with overcapacity.
No, MattD was right, the planes are at higher than ever load factors, the problem is the major's costs are too high to compete with the LCC's and fuel prices.
25 Junction: He probably also wanted to receive better service then US...
26 Junction: I show Lakefield arrived in PHX this morning off HP805...Surely someone at HP in AZ has seen some commotion by now? I have to admit though, I remember
27 EA CO AS: I remember during the much more discreetly planned DL/CO merger in ’98 (or was it ’99?) it got down to the point where everyone was in Houston to
28 Junction: They were in Houston to break the news to CO employees. Thankfully they didn't have to.
29 HPRamper: Throw in HA and call it "The Whole Shebang". Why not AS - F9? Alaska is doing comparatively well right now, and they could use that interior feed. Ho
30 EA CO AS: Why not AS - F9? Fleet commonality, primarily. AS is in the process of going to an all-737 fleet. F9 is steadily going all Airbus. Also, both carriers
31 Qqflyboy: I think there is overcapacity in the market place, and it boils down to the simple principle of supply and demand. Right now, there is too much supply
32 Jetpixx: There will be a piece on the possible merger on FOX News - Your World with Neil Cavuto - at 4pm EDT if anyone is interested.....
33 MGA: hey, after reading so many threads about the name of the merger, i figured nothing was determined... todayI heard on the news hat they will operate un
34 EA CO AS: I heard on the news hat they will operate under the US airways brand, is this correct? Word is that they'll operate under the more-recognized US Airwa
35 Jetpixx: If that is true, I hope that they bring "Herman" the duck back! Fly the route of the Northliners....I know that is North Central, but Herman later re
36 Flashmeister: F9 is steadily going all Airbus. Correction: F9 has gone all Airbus. No 737s left. The conjecture earlier about F9+NW is pretty funny. I wouldn't hold
37 EA CO AS: You oughta see the Yahoo finance message board for HP - it's being flooded by a handful of professional "THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!" worr
38 Premobrimo: CNBC states that it is going to happen and will be announced after the closing bell of the NYSE.
39 Potomac: those worrywarts may be correct - i'm sure significant layoffs are very likely with the merger. there will naturally be redundancies to be eliminated
40 EMBQA: From CNBC- Trading of AWA stock has been frozen as the 'deal is done'. Announcement expected soon after the market closes.
41 Sunking737: As a ex employee of the first Republic, I hope they do not use the name or bring back Herman.
42 Stirling: Reading the negative, and downright mean things that were said about Mr. Bethune over in another thread made me cringe....those yahoos would have fel
43 Airbus3801: It has been announced HP and has merged with US.
44 Theredbaron: The name of the Merger will be??? America West / Us airways So.... West Airways America is US Us West West america Amway...wait that one is already ta
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