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HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

According to the USAToday, the merger between America West and US Airways could be announced this afternoon, reported the Pittsburgh Gazette.

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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5153 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

So I assume with this merger--the existing route structure will remain intact--with additional routes coming online late? For example--I could expect to see the new US Airways flying from IAH to PHX, LAS, CLT, PIT, PHL, and DCA?


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User currently offlineCactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

today at 1pm PAcific Time.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

According to one of the PIT papers, it could also slide...

"The announcement, while expected this afternoon, could also slide a day or two, according to US Airways Chairman David Bronner, who told Bloomberg News that the agreement may come at the end of this week or early next week."


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

This is the first one of a series of mergers coming to the US airline industry. There is no way around it. Too many airlines.

User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Who do you think will be the other airlines to merge?

User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4997 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Alaska and American.

Delta and Continental.

JetBlue and Spirit.

Mesa and United.

Northwest and Frontier.

Of course I could be wrong.



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User currently offlinePhoenixX2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

CO - NW - DL leaving AA out in the cold. Who would want to M with UA?

User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

back to drerx7's question - i think very little original components for both airlines will remain 'intact'. route/hub restructuring; fleet simplification; maintenance, reservations, etc. consolidation...these all seem to be automatic if any savings and efficiencies are to be realized. and there undoubtedly will be associated job cuts.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!

Ozark....sorry man, I think your wrong on all of them  Smile, but its a hard industry to predict. I think we have to wait till the next 2 are caught in a room chatting!

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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):
Alaska and American.

Bill Gates already made sure that's not going to happen by buying a big chunk of stock and blocking AA from taking over some years ago.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):

Of course I could be wrong.

Of course ....



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

The problem is not too many airlines or overcapacity. The planes are all flying full or nearly full. The problems are 1) the airlines underpricing their fares to get business and the public demanding too much for too little and 2) management and employees who are working in a 2005 cutthroat environment with a 1965 mentality ("that's not my job", "we'll just screw the employees and customers", "full pay till the last day", "But I've got more seniority", etc.)

Every one of those mentalities needs to be thrown out the window. And the airlines start charging fares high enough to cover their operations.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):
Alaska and American.



Quoting AS739X (Reply 9):
Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!

I agree. While I do think that if AA were to merge with another airline, it would be AS, and if AS were to merge with another airline, it would be AA, but I doubt that either really has an appetite right now for a merger.

These two companies have arguably come farther since 9/11 in restructuring their operations and remodeling their business to aim for sustained profitability. Both have come so far and I think that the management teams of both AA and AS are far too focused on fixing their own problems without having to worry about industry consolidation.


User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 9):
Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!

Pleeeeese don't! We don't need AA vampiring another airline! Especially not Alaska, a class act that still stands out amongst the rest!



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User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

spot on, mattd. you hear about these record high load factors - what difference does it make if the seats are being sold at dirt cheap levels?

it's a simplistic view, but i think there is a large component of the flying public now that would still pay $200 for a flight - even if a competitor was offering one for $160 - especially if the $200 fare came on a carrier that the customer preferred for whatever reason. sure, you are always going to have the customers who go with "lowest price", but i don't think that is or needs to be the prevailing driver.

if US/HP goes thru, i'd think the focus we need to be on a route structure and overall product that is competitive with other carriers - especially the LCCs - on its own merits, without the emphasis being on matching the low fares.


User currently offlineBridogger6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 710 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 11):
The problem is not too many airlines or overcapacity. The planes are all flying full or nearly full.

This is not even close to true... fly non-rev a lot on any airlines and you know it's easy to find flights that aren't full all the time. Sure, some airlines may be experiencing record load factors, but certainly not all of them. There IS indeed a problem with overcapacity.


User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 13):
Quoting AS739X (Reply 9):
Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!


Pleeeeese don't! We don't need AA vampiring another airline! Especially not Alaska, a class act that still stands out amongst the rest!

SBN580..you just made my respected users list....LOL..."vampiring" what a perfect description!



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13508 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4454 times:
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This morning's Arizona Republic has US Airways CEO Bruce Lakefield arriving in PHX on an HP flight - probably not flying in on US so he could duck questions from his own people!


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User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

It's a non-stop flight from DCA that's why he flew America West.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4556 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

I have a feeling we are back in the cycle of a few mergers, few bankruptcies, and then a rash of a new start ups.

As far as who is next...who knows. HP/US was really the only gimme in the industry. However, it would come to logic that Alaska, AirTran, Frontier, or other niche carriers will become targets soon.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

I have always thought that if FL and F9 flew the same aircraft, they would be a good fit. If FL didn't have a large 717 fleet, a WN/FL combination wouldn't be out of the question.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

It's not necessarily an issue of over-capacity.

Fuel. Big-Time.

The new HP/US, if anything, will give the new entity more "Pricing-Power" in the marketplace. Increased market share means better chances of fare-increases "sticking".

Planes can fly full all day and all night, but if the fares don't cover the costs, it ain't gonna work. Plain and simple.

The US Airline Network is operating under a plague of low-fares with little or no relevance to the actual value of the service. (And at the same time, people in hub-dominated markets are being gouged without mercy.)
It's an un-fair system at the moment....something's gotta give.

This is but only the first step.

There will be more.....but please.....leave Alaska/Horizon alone.

The first thing I wonder about, if history teaches us nothing, will this be another East coast (Midwest) airline, taking over another West coast (Mountainwest) airline; only to see the Western USA network erode into nothing....?

Republic<>Hughes Air West
American<> AirCal
American<>RenoAir
USAir<>Pacific Southwest
Continental<>Frontier

And to an extent Delta<>Western, although, Delta has done the best job of the lot in maintaining the most of their acquired West markets.

I respect Southwest Airlines (a lot), but do we really want to see 300-400 flights a day out of Phoenix? And Las Vegas...?
Possible scenario if US Airways has not yet learned from past transgressions.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

HP and HA

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
The first thing I wonder about, if history teaches us nothing, will this be another East coast (Midwest) airline, taking over another West coast (Mountainwest) airline; only to see the Western USA network erode into nothing....?

Given the size of HP's western ops, I seriously doubt it will be eroded, especially considering that HP is running the show.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

So the HP-US merger could be called HELP-US?

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):
Delta and Continental.

JetBlue and Spirit.

Mesa and United.

Northwest and Frontier.

Why not WN merge with NW and call themselves "All-West"?

Mesa and UA could be called "United-Mess"?

A DL/CO merger could contract with the US State Department and call themselves "ConDe Air". Their LCC would be "ConDeSong".

JetBlue and Spirit would become "Blue Spirit"?

AA and Alaska could be "49 States"?

I'd say NW and Frontier could NW Terroritories, but I believe Canada already has that name locked in.

Why can't UA and US merge into "Chapter 11 Air"?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4364 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4186 times:
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Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 15):
There IS indeed a problem with overcapacity.

No, MattD was right, the planes are at higher than ever load factors, the problem is the major's costs are too high to compete with the LCC's and fuel prices.



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25 Post contains images Junction : He probably also wanted to receive better service then US...
26 Junction : I show Lakefield arrived in PHX this morning off HP805...Surely someone at HP in AZ has seen some commotion by now? I have to admit though, I remember
27 EA CO AS : I remember during the much more discreetly planned DL/CO merger in ’98 (or was it ’99?) it got down to the point where everyone was in Houston to
28 Junction : They were in Houston to break the news to CO employees. Thankfully they didn't have to.
29 HPRamper : Throw in HA and call it "The Whole Shebang". Why not AS - F9? Alaska is doing comparatively well right now, and they could use that interior feed. Ho
30 EA CO AS : Why not AS - F9? Fleet commonality, primarily. AS is in the process of going to an all-737 fleet. F9 is steadily going all Airbus. Also, both carriers
31 Qqflyboy : I think there is overcapacity in the market place, and it boils down to the simple principle of supply and demand. Right now, there is too much supply
32 Jetpixx : There will be a piece on the possible merger on FOX News - Your World with Neil Cavuto - at 4pm EDT if anyone is interested.....
33 MGA : hey, after reading so many threads about the name of the merger, i figured nothing was determined... todayI heard on the news hat they will operate un
34 EA CO AS : I heard on the news hat they will operate under the US airways brand, is this correct? Word is that they'll operate under the more-recognized US Airwa
35 Jetpixx : If that is true, I hope that they bring "Herman" the duck back! Fly the route of the Northliners....I know that is North Central, but Herman later re
36 Flashmeister : F9 is steadily going all Airbus. Correction: F9 has gone all Airbus. No 737s left. The conjecture earlier about F9+NW is pretty funny. I wouldn't hold
37 EA CO AS : You oughta see the Yahoo finance message board for HP - it's being flooded by a handful of professional "THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!" worr
38 Premobrimo : CNBC states that it is going to happen and will be announced after the closing bell of the NYSE.
39 Potomac : those worrywarts may be correct - i'm sure significant layoffs are very likely with the merger. there will naturally be redundancies to be eliminated
40 EMBQA : From CNBC- Trading of AWA stock has been frozen as the 'deal is done'. Announcement expected soon after the market closes.
41 Sunking737 : As a ex employee of the first Republic, I hope they do not use the name or bring back Herman.
42 Stirling : Reading the negative, and downright mean things that were said about Mr. Bethune over in another thread made me cringe....those yahoos would have fel
43 Airbus3801 : It has been announced HP and has merged with US.
44 Theredbaron : The name of the Merger will be??? America West / Us airways So.... West Airways America is US Us West West america Amway...wait that one is already ta
45 Post contains images Squirrel83 : Yehhh its finally a Done Deal
46 DOC : It is already in the newspaper here in Canada
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