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Syrianair To Order Seven Planes From Airbus  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5328 times:

Following an article by Reuters, the Syrian minister of Transport,Makram Obeid, has confirmed talks with Airbus regarding an order for seven aircraft.
No details were given ,but the fleet of Syrianair is relatively old and in need of modernisation.
Due to a ban on the export of hightech equipment to Syria,chances for Boeing to sell aircaraft to Damascus are close to zero...


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

I bet on 3 A-330s to replace the 2 747SPs and expand a bit, and 6 A-319/320s to replace the remaining 727s and the one/two Tupolevs which are still in service.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
I bet on 3 A-330s to replace the 2 747SPs and expand a bit, and 6 A-319/320s

Good guess. I was thinking 2 RR 332's and 5 320's.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

Why not A330-300s , as capacity is closer to this of the 747SP which are full on flights to India.

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Great news indeed.

Do you think there would be a chance for 2 A350's?

But I guess the A330-300 would be more suitable than th A330-200.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
Why not A330-300s , as capacity is closer to this of the 747SP which are full on flights to India.

totally agree.

Drew



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
Why not A330-300s , as capacity is closer to this of the 747SP which are full on flights to India.

Why is there such demand to India? Indians transiting to Europe thru Damascus?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 5):
Why is there such demand to India? Indians transiting to Europe thru Damascus?

Well, considering the BOM flights stop in AUH and the DEL flights in SHJ, I would say guest workers going to the UAE.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Damascus airport is not really known as a transit -paradise...
Syrian airport authorities would have to change a lot to attract more connecting traffic via Syria - although syrians are a very hospital people ( within their country I speak ...) and have a great lot of attractions to show in Syria.
Visa-requirements and complicated administrative hurdles would have to be demolished before you can sell Syria as transit country.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

Thanks Ahlfors. Make sense.

Perhaps the 333 would be a better than the 332.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Yyz717

The demand to India via Damascus is strong , simply as the fares on the Syrianair flights are the cheapest on the market.


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Due to a ban on the export of hightech equipment to Syria,chances for Boeing to sell aircaraft to Damascus are close to zero...

I though quite a bit of the avionics in one of those Airbus lines was made in USA. How does the high tech ban work in that case? Is it OK because Honeywell (or whoever it is - If I'm even correct) first sold it to Airbus, and then they are re-exporting it to Syria?

Inquiring minds want to know.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Well there are european manufacturers of avionics perfectly capable to supply gear to make an Airbus fly.....


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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4828 times:

God, its time to get on the 747SP before its gone!!!!!!!

User currently offlineAirevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 894 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4768 times:

Well, wait until next year for that !!!


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 4):
Do you think there would be a chance for 2 A350's?

No. The A350, if ever it is launched, won't be available before 2010. Syrianair needs to renew its fleet sooner.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Following an article by Reuters

can you source the link?


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

sorry it's in french :

http://www.reuters.fr/locales/c_news...ws&localeKey=fr_FR&storyID=8546203

in a different article Makram Obeid announces the cosntruction of two new airports in Syria..
http://www.lasyrie.fr/Economie/Actualites/Article4_Aeroports.htm

[Edited 2005-05-20 15:03:19]


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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 10):
I though quite a bit of the avionics in one of those Airbus lines was made in USA. How does the high tech ban work in that case?

The embargo works like that when it comes to Iran.
Affecting Iran Air, who now can't buy newer Boeing or Airbus aircraft.

What/Where is the difference ??


Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting Tommy Mogren (Reply 17):
The embargo works like that when it comes to Iran.
Affecting Iran Air, who now can't buy newer Boeing or Airbus aircraft.

What/Where is the difference ??

Just to put things into perspective - a company like Thales is main supplier for Airbus on flight-electronics.
http://www.thalesgroup.com/ga/business_zone/aerospace/avionics.htm

If some Airbus -models contain a large amount of US made gear, that gear can be replaced by european made gear !
For market accessibility it is advisable to incoroprate US made added value in any Airbus-plane sold to the USA or elswhere.
But Airbus can basically build a fully european aircraft without helping hands from US hightech companies.



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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 18):
But Airbus can basically build a fully european aircraft without helping hands from US hightech companies

If what you write is true, then Iran Air would be able to buy new Airbus aircraft.

They can't, due to the US embargo.

And if Airbus could make an European version, like you say, then why wouldn't they ?

They want to, but are not allowed...

Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

In my opinion ther are several degrees of embargo and Iran probabely like Cuba and North Corea are at the very top of the restrictive scale.
Syria is on an embargo list of the US dept. of Trade and Commerce but I doubt that they fall into the same cat as Iran.
Regarding a fully european version of Airbus - it is technically feasable but would most likely imply additional work ,research and budgets to replace the existing combination of avioncs,electronics and hydraulics with a europeanized ,sanitized version.
Would not make sense for a small number of aircraft but be worthwile for a larger order.



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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 20):
In my opinion ther are several degrees of embargo

That could be the case...However with all the talks at the moment, I fail to see how Syria isn't at the top of that list too...

But then again, that list is constantly changed to fit the US needs....
So there's probably a reason for it...


Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

Quoting Airevents (Reply 13):
Well, wait until next year for that !!!

This time around I'll have the money!
 Smile



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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4270 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 12):
God, its time to get on the 747SP before its gone!!!!!!!

Yeah, if you're looking at the Syrianair 747SP's
here they are:

YK-AHA c/n: 21174
YK-AHB c/n: 21175


Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Tommy Mogren (Reply 21):
But then again, that list is constantly changed to fit the US needs....

How much do we really know about the "Bad Guys " in Syria ?
I have been there quite a few times and always had a warm welcome...
My understanding is that you should not talk to lebanese about syrians but from there putting them at the same level as the North Coreans seems a little far fetched...
And implying ,like Condaleeza does, that Damascus is behind terror attacks in Iran is one of these allegations nobody can proof....



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25 Tommy Mogren : It's not a matter of what we think about them. It's all about what the US gvmt thinks.... After Iraq, I wondered who'd be next in the world.... If 7
26 NA : Syrianair´s SPs are 29 years old by now, an impressive age for an airliner still in its original hands. They´ll past 30 when replaced. Well done. An
27 PM : Er, wouldn't that be 9 aircraft...?
28 OHLHD : Thanks Tommy. Does anybody know for how long they will remain the fleet?
29 HEGAN : The article says (if my French doesn't lie me) the order will be composed by 7 aircrafts: 4 middle-sized and 3 for high capacity. So it could be 4 A32
30 FlySSC : It also says the actual fleet is composed by 14 aircraf, 6 of them A300 (ordered in 1999). With this new order, Syrian will have a very young fleet,
31 Chazzerguy : Not current as of today, but the two Syrain SPs had the following cycles/hours as of 2003: YK-AHA: 18485/43742 YK-AHB: 18876/44563 That's really not
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