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JL Causes Another Problem........  
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 2046 times:

This was reported a few days ago on the NHK news and I cannot find a good article of it in English so maybe somebody can help me out here.

I heard that a JL777-200ER heading for NRT instructed all the passengers to put meal trays under the chair in front of them because there was no time to clean it all before landing. In addition, a few carts were left in the galley without being locked.

Regardless, this wasn't an operational error and the plane safely landed at NRT without any injuries, etc. It seems to be an error that the FA's caused but is it fair for JAL to be blamed for this? I would think that this kind of situation occasionally happens on other airlines.

In my situation when I was flying on NW from MSP-KIX in 1999, the FAs did not give me a chance to finish my breakfast (barely ate it) because they had to prepare for landing.


Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 2047 times:

On a flight 2 days ago from ATL to FLO on ASA (delta connection), I fell asleep with the tray on the seat next to me down -- I woke up when we landed - tray still down, 1/2 drink still on it -- FA woke up just at the same time I did (was in the forward part of the cabin). No landing preparation at all

User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

I read an article in Japanese that JAL is continuing to post loss in red ink while ANA has been turning some serious profit. The general population in Japan is starting to feel "If I had a choice I would rather avoid JAL" situation...not good for JAL.

Apparently, some experts do feel that the merger of JAL & JAS back in 2001 is still causing problems internally in regards to differences in company culture, personnel issues, operation, management and maintenance and so on. But I believe this is all temporary. All should be resolved with some house cleaning and the leadership changes which is taking place right now.

You see, even across the pond, airline mergers rarely produce good results.

Since the train wreck in Osaka, which killed over 100 passengers, the cause of the accident is definitely leading toward the engineer's reckless operation to run the train ontime to the second. The Japanese public is starting realize that what they once believed that they had full confidence in their safety and reliability in public transportation is going through some serious scrutiny and review by the officials and the media. The Japanese air transportation is definitely not immune from that. The media will nit-pick every detail they can find for a while to come.

One thing If I may commend something about JAL is that their honesty in providing information regarding their operation. It is in their website.

JAL's Daily Operation Data

It describes how many flights cancelled in month, diverted (for what reason), and due to maintenance (even with brief detail.) They even take the time to translate them all in English...that is pretty impressive. ANA also discloses the same information somewhere in their website as well. American carriers would never take time to do anything like this. JAL's attitude toward safety is definitely sincere. JAL is a safe airline. They are in a big slump though.

TokyoNarita

[Edited 2005-05-20 04:11:57]

User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Rumor has it JO is Closing the SPN Station any Info ????

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting COSPN (Reply 3):
Rumor has it JO is Closing the SPN Station any Info ????

Are you serious? Well without SPN will there be a Guam station still there? Well I just know that JO has operated a lot of JL's routes (KIX-BNE-SYD, NRT-YVR) and originally, NRT-BKK used to be JL but now its JO.

That's quite suprising.

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 2):
One thing If I may commend something about JAL is that their honesty in providing information regarding their operation

Yes........ this is very nice but I keep on doubting some of the figures like int'l on-time departure. What do they consider "ON TIME"? 99.8% seems unreal considering how many flights a day get delayed from all over the world.

Sorry....... as I have mentioned in many other threads before, I just avoid NH. So many bad experiences with them (in the case for me from what I hear). Too many crashy landings I experienced (After getting off the plane, I feel like my buttacks has cracked in half)

But regardless, thanks for sharing your views. They are extremely convincing and thoughtful.

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 2):
The general population in Japan is starting to feel "If I had a choice I would rather avoid JAL"



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

No GUM and DPS the Other two Resort Stations are Fine..DPS is a TAg from CGK very profitable Biz Pax...NW just seems to be getting all the Pax with 747 and 757 NRT-NGO-SPN flites...KIX-SPN suffers from High landing fees...

mabe ask around in Japan..just Rumors now but pretty big ones


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Latest Rumor is JO will stop NRT-SPN and only fly SPN-KIX

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1591 times:

TokyoNarita,

JAL actually just reported profits in the latest reporting period.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1583 times:

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 2):
about JAL is that their honesty in providing information regarding their operation.

"05/03/11 JO704 B744 Bangkok-Narita
Diverted to Haneda Airport due to bad weather (fog) at Narita Airport. Flight resumed after weather improved"

People got to fly a 744 from Haneda to Narita - how awesome is that?  Smile



AY and ANA rock!
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