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HP/US To Wed! Who Will Will Be Next?  
User currently offlineCo757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

I think this will open the doors for more mergers! Any ideas on who other likely pairs would be.

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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

TAP and Varig....
Following vists of portugese politicians to Brazil recently the roumor mill is spinning....



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3312 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6315 times:

Delta and Continental


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6310 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2):

I'm running the other way.

Signed,
Continental


User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

Frontier & Spirit would be a good match.

Keeping the Frontier name, after all they have the Spirit of the West.



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

LH and OS, so LH can dominate the German speaking world...
 Wink



...even more



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

In the US:

Northwest and Air Tran?
Northwest and Alaskan?

Delta and Continental?

In Europe?
Iberia and British Airways
Finnair and British Airways
Lufthansa and LOT
Olympic and Alitalia  Wink



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Olympic and Alitalia

Between them they might just manage to operate a cappucino machine - an airline ? I have my doubts  Smile


User currently offlineQxq400 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Northwest and Alaskan?

If that ever happened (I doubt it would) I would lead the armed uprising myself! NW is among one of the worst airlines as far as working behind the scenes (sp?) to try and help the passenger. gnasher 

My vote AS and Airtran?????  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineLazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6114 times:

New Zealand and Qantas.
BMI and BA  Wink
LH and every european airline with less than 50 a/c in their fleet!!!

-lazyshaun-



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2):
Delta and Continental

What does DL bring to the table other then massive debt? Not going to happen.

In the US I really do not see much if any mergers going to happen anytime soon.



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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6054 times:

Continental and Alaska


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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

EK buys everyone out

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

TAP and Varig won't be a merger without help from the Brazilian gov't. Brazilian law will restict TAP to owning no more than 20%.

I'm not convinced US/HP is a good thing, I think it would've been better to let US die. I don't see where any mergers in the states really will solve any of the problems. I'm afraid Parker wanted the merger badly enough that he isn't seeing the true costs.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Northwest and Air Tran?

Why? Most US LCCs (except TZ and DH) are either making a profit or experiencing less losses than their legacy rivals.

While a legacy carrier would love to buy a LCC just for the sake of eliminating competition; HP/US merger notwithstanding, any other LCC CEO that has half a brain isn't going to touch a legacy carrier with a 10-foot pole. Joe Leonard would have to be on drugs to allow NW (or worse, DL) to buy FL.

US is weak enough for HP to successfully pull it off. That can not be said about the other legacy carriers (UA though weakened and still in Chapter 11 is still a much larger carrier than US).



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

Alaska and someone - probably either CO or AA. There's fleet compatability issues with NW, otherwise I'd put them in the race too. I'd guess CO might want it more, as insurance on the West Coast against a DL failure.

Almost any other US combination among the "legacies" runs into severe anti-trust issues, except NW/CO, and they have incompatable fleets. And no one is going to touch DL in its current financial condition. If DL wasn't such a balance sheet basket-case, I'd say DL/AA would be a possibility (with some anti-trust driven divestures required.)

Frontier/Spirit would be a very interesting combination.

Airtran/Midwest is a possibility, but I still think FL will wait for Midwest to fold and snap up the 717s in the bankruptcy sale. I just don't think FL is that interested in MKE.

No possible dance partners for WN - the only major US LCC that runs 737s is AirTran, and WN wouldn't want their 717s or their hub operations.

JetBlue and Frontier is an outside possibility - I'd love to see it, except I think Neeleman already has his long-term battle plan in mind and a merger just isn't in there. (Also, we'd lose the animal tails. Look, penguins!  Big grin )

The MadDogs make Allegiant a no-go right now.

If we ever get loosening of the foreign ownership rules, I'd look for a US LCC to make a play for WestJet, either WN or FL. B6 or F9 would be a better cultural fit than WN, but fleet compatability rears its ugly head here. And if we did get such a rules change, then I'd look for Air Canada to merge with "New US."

Outside North America? BMI and Virgin Atlantic's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

LCCs are not going to want to purchase any legacy carriers. HP considers itself an LCC, but it was not originally so HP and US are similar in that they are both attempting to be come LCCs.

Nobody will touch UA or DL and anything with AA would have antitrust problems. Mix and match your favorites among the rest.


User currently onlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

I really don't understand, why anybody would think that Delta and Continental make a good match. Both have a hub in New York, one each in the South, and one each in Ohio. There is absolutely no point to this combination.

Here in the US, United will probably be the next one to make a move. In order to bring their operating cost on par with American, they will need a similar fleet size. They have currently around 450 active (of which they may lose up to 100 due to looming repossessions), American has 700+. So United would have a need for 300+ aircraft.
I think that either UAL and Continental or UAL and Delta would make a good match. In either case UAL would get two things they are lacking right now: a hub in the South and one in New York.


User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

HP-US and UA with help from Airbus and becoming an all Airbus operator and with the A380 flying to LHR !

Sjoerd



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

International

QF & NZ

Domestic

DL & NW


User currently offlineExpressjetphx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
In the US:
Iberia and British Airways

I don't know if you're very farmiliar with the Spanish people, but if you were, you would know that not in a million years would they give up their national airline. The government already fights like hell on behalf of Iberia, and there is nothing in the world that would make the Spanish budge from their solid backing of their national airline (I say this after spending considerable time there and observing the extremely strong national sentiment there). I don't think the Spanish government would even be up to giving BA majority ownership in IB, even if it stayed Iberia. I also don't know if the British would really like running a hub out of Madrid, and would it make that much sense for them to fly long hauls as 'British Airways' our of Spain?

I think something like Northwest and Alaska is much more feasible. Besides the fleet commonality issues, the AS route structure would be very beneficial to NW, as they are "Northwest" after all, and they have somewhat of an international presence at Sea-Tac, some Intra-Alaska routes and West Coast/Transcons from Seattle couldn't hurt I'm sure.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5622 times:
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Quoting Expressjetphx (Reply 20):
I don't think the Spanish government would even be up to giving BA majority ownership in IB, even if it stayed Iberia. I also don't know if the British would really like running a hub out of Madrid, and would it make that much sense for them to fly long hauls as 'British Airways' our of Spain?

That kills the dream of a united Europe right there, doesn't it?

cheers

mariner



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User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5610 times:

I'm putting my hopes on a HP-HA or HP-AS merger way down the line. Big grin I know that it's unlikely in the case of AS, but one can dream.


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User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 1087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 15):
Almost any other US combination among the "legacies" runs into severe anti-trust issues, except NW/CO, and they have incompatable fleets. And no one is going to touch DL in its current financial condition. If DL wasn't such a balance sheet basket-case, I'd say DL/AA would be a possibility (with some anti-trust driven divestures required.)

Which is precisely why the major airlines & financiers are lobbying for specific marriages and outcomes to be permitted, either thru one-off exemptions to anti-trust (& foreign ownership) laws or changes to the laws.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

Northwest Airlines, Hawaiian Airlines, Spirit = Northwest Airlines
Bases: MSP, DTW, MEM, HNL, NRT
Focus: AMS, IND, LAX, MKE, FLL, OGG
Aircraft: 319, 320, 753, 332, 333, 744

Alitalia, Olympic, Kuwait Airways, Emirates = Emirates
Bases: DXB, MXP, FCO, KWI, ATH
Focus: AKL, LHR, SKG, VCE
Aircraft: 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343, 345, 380

Aloha Airlines, Southwest Airlines, ATA = Southwest Airlines
Bases: MDW, DAL, OAK, LAX, BWI, LAS, PHX, HNL
Focus: SJC, SAN, SMF, FLL, PHL, OGG
Aircraft: 735, 73G

Air New Zealand and Qantas = Qantas
Bases: SYD, AKL, MEL
Focus: LAX, CHC, BNE, SIN
Aircraft: 319, 320, 332, 333, 345, 380

FinnAir and SAS = SAS
Bases: OSL, ARN, HEL, CPH
Focus: GOT, LHR
Aircraft: 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343

SN Brussels and KLM/Air France = Air France
Bases: CDG, AMS, BRU
Focus: LYS, NCE, LHR
Aircraft: 318, 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343, 345, 380

Jet Blue and Frontier = Jet Blue
Bases: JFK, IAD, LGB, DEN
Focus: LAX, OAK, FLL, BOS
Aircraft: 318, 319, 320

American Airlines and Alaska Airlines = American Airlines
Bases: LAX, ANC, SEA, PDX, DFW, ORD, JFK, MIA, SJU
Focus: LHR, SFO, SJC, BOS, FLL, LAS, YVR
Aircraft: M80, 738, 752, 763, 772


All Are Dreams... At This Point!


Regards - Kahala777


25 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : Who's Alaskan? Are they an airline? Never heard of 'em... UA and CO next year at some point after UA emerges. Best matchup for routes, plus CO pax wi
26 Commavia : No way in h*ll. CO has a good thing going, they are slowly inching towards profitability, and closer to making money than any other legacy after AA.
27 Kahala777 : IAH, CLE are not permitted to Heathrow Regards - Kahala777
28 PHX Flyer : Continental does not have that much going for them. If the crude price stays at current levels until next year, and pricing power does not improve, th
29 EnviroTO : My guess is that the most likely merger of all would have AS involved and the interested parties would be AA (most likely) or perhaps CO because they
30 Commavia : I agree. AS is definitely the most attractive takeover target as it is already the codesharing slut of the United States, and I further agree that AA
31 Post contains images SeaMeFly : Why no one mentioned UA and NW? This will make the strongest alliance covering most corner of the world there is to be imagined (well, except Africa).
32 PHX Flyer : What I said above for CO/DL is also true for UA/NW: There is too much overlap in their route structure: What should a combined entity do with three(!)
33 Seamefly : I think a combine NW and UA will reborn the new PanAm era flying for a single US carrier.
34 Avek00 : To the contrary - like the UA and US bankruptcies have done to the feasibility of legacies going Chapter 11, the US/HP attempt will likely CLOSE the
35 Isitsafenow : NW and UA stand as good a chance of merging as AMTRAK with JB HUNT Trucking. Why have labor problems, then go out a merge with another carrier with ju
36 Jetjack74 : How would you know what it's like to work here? Would never happen, not in a million years. That combo would define what anti-trust perameters.
37 Flyibaby : Two months ago, everyone was saying Branson and Virgin were eyeing US Airways for the A320 fleet and the certificate to start Virgin America. What abo
38 Xkorpyoh : i think the most natural merger should be airtran + Spirit... then CO + NW, if the antitrust laws allow it. agree on Jetblue + frontier
39 Post contains images Allstarflyer : {Confused} Huh? Big in the Northwest and the Southeast - not bad at all - and an all-Boeing fleet? This doesn't sound so bad, with Continental having
40 PlaneSmart : When anti-trust and foreign investement issues are resolved........ For those concerned that the HP/US management team isn't the best, perhaps there
41 PLANEGUY : Why not add Frontier to the HP/US merger? There'd be fleet commonality, minimal route overlap and they'd get a Denver hub. Sure such a scenario would
42 Jmc1975 : Besides massive debt, DL brings alot of assets with it that can be easily synergized with CO. The same could be said for US....what makes DL any less
43 777STL : That will never happen, not in a million years. If the government wouldn't let US and UA merge, they're sure as hell not going to let UA and NW merge
44 Midex461 : How about YV/OH? Or YV/EV? Or why not YV/OH/EV? DLs looking to sell one or both of them off for the money, and JLo would LOVE to get his mits on more
45 Post contains images KBFIspotter : You Beat me to it!!!!!!! I was thinking DL and UA.........................
46 Co757 : I Agree with your Continental/Alaska theory. People have said many times that it will be Continental and United, But the Alaska thing Fits. Continent
47 AirframeAS : That rumor has been going on for DECADES...and it has never happened. And I dont think it ever will. By the way..its ALASKA, not Alaskan.... I know i
48 Post contains images ExFATboy : SeaMeFly, reply 31: Why no one mentioned UA and NW? This will make the strongest alliance covering most corner of the world there is to be imagined (w
49 Avek00 : CO doesn't "need" a physical presence in lower-yield intra-West Coast markets with its own metal - it's better off using codeshares with airlines who
50 ConcordeLoss : How about JetBlue and Southwest.
51 Post contains images Jr : To where? Mojave? I tend to agree with that. I don't think any legacy carrier has the capacity to buy out another one in the current state of affairs
52 Midway2AirTran : Funny, I was thinking the same the day that HP announced it was in negotiations with US. Personally I think it may make the best combination should t
53 GoCOgo : Off topic, but why? CLE has much better O&D numbers than CVG. DL has a little more invested in CVG than CO in CLE, but CLE offers a much large opport
54 Post contains images Indy : If I were CO I'd be buying me a bus ticket to Vegas where I'd spent a little time before heading to New Mexico.
55 Commavia : Because CLE is a much weaker hub. DL's CVG hub is roughly three times as large as CO's CLE hub and offers connections to dozens more cities with much
56 GoCOgo : Only because DL forces more passengers through CVG. It's certainly not that CVG can support the flights but CLE could not. There are more O&D passeng
57 PlaneSmart : Last one, or possibly two legacies standing alone this time next year, will be the industry scapegoats, anti-trust, foreign investment and tax changes
58 Avek00 : Look at the differences in local market share between CVG and CLE - CLE is a hub while CVG is a *FORTRESS*.
59 RCS763AV : Airtran-Midwest LH-Swiss (swiss is theirs but its not a merger yet) Avianca-Oceanair-Wayra (yea right just dreams) Delta-Northwest-CO
60 FRA2DTW : Before there was US & HP post 9/11, the current trend was started by the World Airways and North American merger last month.
61 Aerokiwi : Sorry to put a dampner on the speculation, but the respective competitive authorities in Australia and New Zealand have declined any merger/buyout by
62 VS747SPUR : Hi, how about BMI and VS ? This is always speculated ! VS747SPUR
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