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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?  
User currently offlineAndahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

Can anyone explain the difference between the dc-10 10 and the dc-10 30 ?

thanks

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

Quoting Andahuailas (Thread starter):
Can anyone explain the difference between the dc-10 10 and the dc-10 30 ?

The -10 carries more passengers with less range



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

the 10 is for domestic version and the longhaul version is the 30 and 40...


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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

The DC-10-10 was the initial model, basically deigned to go US-Transcontinental. It was not very capable doing longrange, although some airlines used it, for sure with payload restriction or additional fuelstops.
The DC-10-30 was the longrange aircraft. It got a higher grossweight and therefore it needed an additional maingear. For this it can be easily identified by the centergear as the one on the A340-600.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

The -30 series has a center main gear while the -10 series does not.
Externally, that's about the only difference. Both have GE engines, with the -30 series having more powerful thrust for heavier loads & greater range.
Hope that helps. Regards.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

DC-10-10 (without tire in middle)
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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

the -10 has a 10' shorter wingspan..155' vs. the -30 with 165'

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6177 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6527 times:
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What about the 15? can someone explain to me the difference, now that we are on topic. Thanks.


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User currently offlineBoeing764 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

The DC-10-15 series is like the -10 but is powered by Pratt and Whitney engines instead of General Electric. Only seven of them were built and were delivered to Aeromexico and Mexicana.

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User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

Quoting Boeing764 (Reply 8):
The DC-10-15 series is like the -10 but is powered by Pratt and Whitney engines instead of General Electric.

Actually, according to the Boeing website, the -15 had GE CF6-50C2F engines:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/dc-10/tech.html

Further, the -15 was designed for performance at full loads at hot & high airports by combining the -10 airframe with more powerful engines:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/dc-10/


User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

Quoting Boeing764 (Reply 8):
The DC-10-15 series is like the -10 but is powered by Pratt and Whitney engines instead of General Electric

I think you're confusing the -15 with the -40?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
The -10 carries more passengers with less range

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User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

The DC-10-40 has Pratt and Whitney engines, preferred by a couple of original (new order) customers; IIRC only NW and JAL ordered the -40 (new).
The -40 was reportedly originally the -20, but NW objected to the -20 suffix/label, as the -30 (higher thrust GE CF6 engines than the -10) was already in development. So, "presto-chango" the -40 was borne.



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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 11):
So, "presto-chango" the -40 was borne

That's a good way of putting it. NW wanted their DC10s to be 'labeled' superior to the -30. So they nudged McDD to call it the -40.. Even though their JT9D-20 powerplants produced less thrust than the CF6-50Cs of the -30s.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20494 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Andahuailes, have you discovered the Aircraft Data section of a.net? There's some excellent info there. This link with take you to the data page on the DC-10:

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=279



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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2191 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Quoting Boeing764 (Reply 8):
The DC-10-15 series is like the -10 but is powered by Pratt and Whitney engines instead of General Electric. Only seven of them were built and were delivered to Aeromexico and Mexicana.

Wrong... The -15 was basically the airframe/wing of the -10 with the engines of the -30.


User currently offlineBoeing764 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6288 times:

Sorry, my bad! I'll do more research next time.


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User currently offlineFlflyguy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 244 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6213 times:
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Another difference (at least on AA aircraft) was that on the DC-10-10, there was the lower lobe (downstairs) galley. On the DC10-30, the galleys were on the main deck in a more traditional configuration. This allowed for fewer seats, but more cargo.


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User currently offlineDc10hound From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 463 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

Another difference (at least on AA aircraft) was that on the DC-10-10, there was the lower lobe (downstairs) galley. On the DC10-30, the galleys were on the main deck in a more traditional configuration. This allowed for fewer seats, but more cargo.

Actually, I beleive that all of AAs "Dirty Thirties" were delivered/purchased with lower lobe galleys. Several were modified in TULE with upper deck galleys. These flew in three class configuration. The remainder flew the HNL routes (Cattle car from ORD and DFW).



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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Quoting Flflyguy (Reply 16):
Another difference (at least on AA aircraft) was that on the DC-10-10, there was the lower lobe (downstairs) galley. On the DC10-30, the galleys were on the main deck in a more traditional configuration. This allowed for fewer seats, but more cargo.

Not necessarily..... I was working on Balair's DC-10-30 HB-IHK which was configureated in a "Max-Pax-Version" as cargo played a minor role in our business. This one had a lower galley as well. First we flew it in a All-Economy-Class version, taking 345 in total distributed in three sections, all with a 3-4-2 crossection. Then we reconfigurated it into two classes as there was a demand for business class, what we called "Relax-Class", offering more comfortable seats in a 2-4-2 crossection. This way we carried then a total of 327 Pax. This two class configuration was mainly a demand on our ZRH-MIA route we served before Swissair did it.
If a remember right, the design of the DC-10 allowed a maximum of 372 PAX-seats. I think this was only feasible in the lower-galley-version with a 3-4-3 crossection. We once leased a Finnair DC-10 who's galley where located in the traditional "Upstairs Configuration" and it carried in the one-class-version 345 PAX as well, but had the 3-4-3 crossection. I could not imagine to squeeze more seats in without moving the galley downstairs.
Anyhow, I loved the DC-10, for me it was "The Aircraft".


User currently offlineYukonTrader From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

Hi guys,

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
The -30 series has a center main gear while the -10 series does not.

Correct, but one 'caveat' nobody has mentioned so far. The DC-10-10 / DC-10-15 are not the only models without center main gear, and just relying on that feature to identify a -10 occasionally mislead one or the other spotter. Those DC-10-40 which Japan Airlines used domestically (dubbed the DC-10-40D) do also lack a center gear, and when some of them went on to serve international routes with subsidiary Japan Asia Airways, their profile out there in the approach caused occasional confusion. I recall some outbursts of adrenaline with fellow spotters unaware of that particular fact that I witnessed myself & with a smile in good old HKG many a year ago...

Just felt like filling in that missing detail.

Cheers, Lukas


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Quoting YukonTrader (Reply 19):
Those DC-10-40 which Japan Airlines used domestically (dubbed the DC-10-40D) do also lack a center gear,

Did they actually lack the center gear or was JAL just not using it? On the -40 (and -30 I believe) an airline could leave the center gear retracted and operate at a lower MTOW.


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Does anyone actually fly the DC10-10 still?

Chris



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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 20):
Did they actually lack the center gear or was JAL just not using it? On the -40 (and -30 I believe) an airline could leave the center gear retracted and operate at a lower MTOW.

I don't know if it could be disabled by maintenance by a certain procedure. What I remember, that we were allowed to fly the aircraft home under certain weight restrictions if the center gear was unservicable. On the nosegear was a pair of locking springs, the same as on the center gear. Once during the preflight check, the engineer discovered that one of them on the nosegear was broken. As the plane was low on T/O weight, he was allowed to take one from the centergear and install it on the nosegear, in order to dispatch the aircraft home. There was no risk as the weight was well below the limit, needed for the center gear. So we could fly home with a minor delay.


User currently offlineYukonTrader From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Hi SATL382G

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 20):
Did they actually lack the center gear or was JAL just not using it? On the -40 (and -30 I believe) an airline could leave the center gear retracted and operate at a lower MTOW.

Definitely a good point you make! Not seeing it must not mean that it is not there. As JAL occasionally converted DC-10-40I's to D's and vice versa (according to JP Airline Fleets), it's educated guessing that the bay and mounts for the center gear must most probably have been present on D's as well. Now the question whether the gear was actually removed (dead weight, regular inspections & maintenance required even if locked) or just locked in its bay is up to some tech's with authority to reveal... Anyone around to shed some light?

Cheers, Lukas


User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

The DC-10-30 has two more cargo positions in the aft hold. The bulk pit is smaller then that of the 10, and the 30's bulk cargo door is very small.

25 Ktachiya : The center gear on JAL's -40 were absent when they operated domestic routes. Now these are types are no longer existant in the fleet as they are reti
26 FedExIndy : Not quite true. I think this was an option in all DC10s. At FedEx, we have some -10's that have the extra cargo positions and the smaller bulk pit. N
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