Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9463 posts, RR: 72 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4849 times:
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will these becoming from Big Al's used airplane lot or from some more traditional outlet
Jjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4771 times:
I don't believe they have found any specific tails of interest yet. The order provides ATA's (mis-)management permission to execute lease and financing agreements if satisfactory aircraft can be found. This is, more or less, a formal codification of what has been known for some time now. I wouldn't expect 767s to be on the property anytime soon.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4759 times:
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 2):
A dying airline gets widebodies? Oh, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern... all to familiar!
aside from the fact TZ have full support from one of the best managed air carriers in the world...WN...
which of course, might not mean a darn thing, but they have a better safety net than the mentioned carriers..
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4734 times:
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 5): Both of which can now be associated with Wal Mart, Econolodge, and Greyhound!
I don't think WN ever associated themselves with the likes of SQ, BA, etc.
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4700 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6): I don't think WN ever associated themselves with the likes of SQ, BA, etc.
Southwest and ATA, are both good products for their niche markets. The hiring standards, quality standards, and performance standards of TZ/WN are not on a high par, as they are for HP/US. You cannot compare TZ/WN to US/HP.. It would be like comparing Omaha(TZ/WN), to Los Angeles(HP/US)!
Look, this merger between US/HP will effect three airlines the most. Those airlines being Southwest, ATA, United, and Jet Blue. Isnt it funny that the low cost airlines, are now having the tables turned. Overnight, HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines.
Flying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 428 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4655 times:
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8): HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines.
I'm not so sure the merger will give SWA a run for its money. Southwest has been doing the low cost thing for a long time, and is the only one out of UAL, HP, US, and TZ to not have been in Bankruptcy. I think SWA will have to work hard, but I don't think they'll have to try as hard as people are making it out to be.
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9463 posts, RR: 72 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4629 times:
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Overnight, HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines.
What are you on about?
Triple the size and a million miles away from the likes of WN. Bloated and unprofitable, bailed out by the drug dealer selling them the drugs. Get real!
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4577 posts, RR: 28 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4567 times:
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8): Look, this merger between US/HP will effect three airlines the most. Those airlines being Southwest, ATA, United, and Jet Blue.
Looks like you need to learn how to count .
Seriously, how exactly will they be challenging Southwest? Nothing has changed other than a name. They already have two-class products, FF miles, code-shares with other carriers, etc. The same hubs, the same (actually less) planes, the same people. I know the leadership is changing, but I think it's a little too early to kiss Southwest's success goodbye.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4507 times:
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8): Overnight, HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines.
HP/US have A LOT of slashing to do before their cost structure even remotely resembles WN's cost structure.....
mergers usually don't work so I'm still skeptical of this scenerio.......while this has been an obvious improvement for UA..i can't say the same for HP....only time will tell..
Mexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 2962 posts, RR: 30 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4377 times:
Interesting to see that ATA is getting 767s. I think this will save them some money fuel by replacing th L1011s with the 767s.
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8): Overnight, HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines
Umm I think nothing has changed. Basically HP/US are flying the same routes as they did last week. I don't see how this affects WN. America West/ US Airways are the only ones affecting themselves. They now have to figure out how to cut their operating structure and start making money as one airline. A lot of homework in front of them.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4277 times:
How many B-767s do they need? 5-7, I would think, don't they fly that many L-1011-500s now? Maybe they can swing a great deal from Boeing for new B-767300ERs or even B-767400ERs?
ATA will survive Chapter 11. They have WN working with them and they are also one of the biggest Military Charter Airlines.
WOW, Kahala777 when you use to post under user name lhr001 you were constantly singing the praises of your UA, my what a difference a day makes (and a new user name!)
PhoenixX2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 4187 times:
How interesting.... the day after WN realizes that HP is going to Hawaii (they have already directed TZ to do 2 daily flights to the islands from PHX) that TZ asks for 763s. Go East TZ, go East.....far East.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 4146 times:
Quoting PhoenixX2 (Reply 22): How interesting.... the day after WN realizes that HP is going to Hawaii (they have already directed TZ to do 2 daily flights to the islands from PHX) that TZ asks for 763s. Go East TZ, go East.....far East.
Over on Yahoo!'s ATAHQ stock board, the 767 subject came up sometime back and it was for their military stuff. I don't think the HP/US deal has anything to do with it...
Mattnrsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 384 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4064 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 21): WOW, Kahala777 when you use to post under user name lhr001 you were constantly singing the praises of your UA, my what a difference a day makes (and a new user name!)
Just curious, but how do you know the two usernames are the same person? Would be hilarious if true.
25 Luv2fly: See www.airwhiners.net and the section bitching about idiots there is a thread about him. Also look under archived civil under user name lhr001 and y
26 Ifly2eat: What you all missed in the 767 ramblings is that yesterday TZ filed a motion in court to set aside their pilot union's contract. More mismanagement ju
27 Co757: A matter of time. You will See Southwest in the red soon. Labor Cost are the Highest now. All Good things must come to an End. Come On. SWA Senior Ma
29 Jacobin777: whoops....i meant US Airways...things DEFINITELY have improved for US...i.e. from a trip to the gutter to being "saved"....hey, it beats the gutter..
30 Midway2AirTran: On the topic, I believe the idea that these a/c if they come on property will supplement the military charters for the time being. I personally doubt
31 Swadispatcher: Yeah.. and CO is making money hand over fist right now.. please.. Low costs are not just about low wage rates.. it's also about efficiency and that i
32 L-188: So what is the streetvalue for a bootleg copy of the southwest ops manual, vs. the United one. Higher for Southwest's I wager.
33 Ikramerica: For an example of why SWAir may be headed for trouble, just visit LAX and fly them. Since one way southwest saves money is by piggybacking on the infr
34 Cat3ils: absolute classic line... Is Big Al's in Tucson or Ardmore??? haha
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