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Court Authorizes ATA To Get 767's  
User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Bankrupcy court have authorized go-ahead for ATA to get 767-300's.

http://docs.bmccorp.net/ATA/docs/insb_1-04-bk-19866_2217.pdf


- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5691 times:
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will these becoming from Big Al's used airplane lot or from some more traditional outlet Big grin

User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Thread starter):
Bankrupcy court have authorized go-ahead for ATA to get 767-300's.

A dying airline gets widebodies? Oh, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern... all to familiar!

Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

I don't believe they have found any specific tails of interest yet. The order provides ATA's (mis-)management permission to execute lease and financing agreements if satisfactory aircraft can be found. This is, more or less, a formal codification of what has been known for some time now. I wouldn't expect 767s to be on the property anytime soon.

joe


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 2):

A dying airline gets widebodies? Oh, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern... all to familiar!

aside from the fact TZ have full support from one of the best managed air carriers in the world...WN...

which of course, might not mean a darn thing, but they have a better safety net than the mentioned carriers..

[Edited 2005-05-20 19:37:30]


"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
aside from the fact TZ have full support from one of the best managed air carriers in the world...WN...

Both of which can now be associated with Wal Mart, Econolodge, and Greyhound!


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 5):
Both of which can now be associated with Wal Mart, Econolodge, and Greyhound!

I don't think WN ever associated themselves with the likes of SQ, BA, etc.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

Just looked at ATA's fleet on the website, and the 737-300 and -500 seatmaps are on there, when do they begin service?

flying_727


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
I don't think WN ever associated themselves with the likes of SQ, BA, etc.

Southwest and ATA, are both good products for their niche markets. The hiring standards, quality standards, and performance standards of TZ/WN are not on a high par, as they are for HP/US. You cannot compare TZ/WN to US/HP.. It would be like comparing Omaha(TZ/WN), to Los Angeles(HP/US)!

Look, this merger between US/HP will effect three airlines the most. Those airlines being Southwest, ATA, United, and Jet Blue. Isnt it funny that the low cost airlines, are now having the tables turned. Overnight, HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines.

Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8):
HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines.

I'm not so sure the merger will give SWA a run for its money. Southwest has been doing the low cost thing for a long time, and is the only one out of UAL, HP, US, and TZ to not have been in Bankruptcy. I think SWA will have to work hard, but I don't think they'll have to try as hard as people are making it out to be.

flying_727


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

These 767s will undoubtedly be acquired to replace the L10s on the military contracts. When do they and the 737 classics come on board?


Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5471 times:
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Overnight, HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines.

What are you on about?

Triple the size and a million miles away from the likes of WN. Bloated and unprofitable, bailed out by the drug dealer selling them the drugs. Get real!


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 3):
I don't believe they have found any specific tails of interest yet.

Then they have not looked at the pool of their own FA's cloely enough yet. Big grin

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 10):
These 767s will undoubtedly be acquired to replace the L10s on the military contracts

Rats. More of my beloved L1011 going to the desert to collect dust.



One Nation Under God
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8):
Look, this merger between US/HP will effect three airlines the most. Those airlines being Southwest, ATA, United, and Jet Blue.

Looks like you need to learn how to count  Smile.

Seriously, how exactly will they be challenging Southwest? Nothing has changed other than a name. They already have two-class products, FF miles, code-shares with other carriers, etc. The same hubs, the same (actually less) planes, the same people. I know the leadership is changing, but I think it's a little too early to kiss Southwest's success goodbye.

But thanks for your objectivity Sad.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8):

Dude, what are you smoking over there? Pass it on  Smile

"Tables are turned", "triple the size?".

Do you think those idiotic union employees in PHL and other locations are going to go for the Customer first, everyone pitch attitude of WN? LOL!

I don't think so.
I am not big fan of WN myself, but inject a little dose of reality into your thought stream.


User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
Quoting LN-MOW (Thread starter):
Bankrupcy court have authorized go-ahead for ATA to get 767-300's.

A dying airline gets widebodies? Oh, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern... all to familiar!

Regards - Kahala777

Kahala777:

Don't forget US Airbusways and the A350....

regards,

F4N


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8):
Overnight, HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines.

HP/US have A LOT of slashing to do before their cost structure even remotely resembles WN's cost structure.....

mergers usually don't work so I'm still skeptical of this scenerio.......while this has been an obvious improvement for UA..i can't say the same for HP....only time will tell..

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8):
You cannot compare TZ/WN to US/HP.

sure, at the very least, one can compare UA to WN...after all...WN is making UA's cake and eating it too!



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Interesting to see that ATA is getting 767s. I think this will save them some money fuel by replacing th L1011s with the 767s.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8):
Overnight, HP/US are triple the size and reach of Southwest Airlines, and in effect now being able to challenge Southwest Airlines

Umm I think nothing has changed. Basically HP/US are flying the same routes as they did last week. I don't see how this affects WN. America West/ US Airways are the only ones affecting themselves. They now have to figure out how to cut their operating structure and start making money as one airline. A lot of homework in front of them.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12148 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

How many B-767s do they need? 5-7, I would think, don't they fly that many L-1011-500s now? Maybe they can swing a great deal from Boeing for new B-767300ERs or even B-767400ERs?

ATA will survive Chapter 11. They have WN working with them and they are also one of the biggest Military Charter Airlines.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
while this has been an obvious improvement for UA

United... Rising... NO

United... Falling... YES


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8):
The hiring standards, quality standards, and performance standards of TZ/WN are not on a high par, as they are for HP/US.

 spit  Oh, now -that's- a good one...  Yeah sure

How, pray tell, did you come to those conclusions?


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5050 times:
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WOW, Kahala777 when you use to post under user name lhr001 you were constantly singing the praises of your UA, my what a difference a day makes (and a new user name!)

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 19):
United... Rising... NO

United... Falling... YES


Regards - Kahala777



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlinePhoenixX2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

How interesting.... the day after WN realizes that HP is going to Hawaii (they have already directed TZ to do 2 daily flights to the islands from PHX) that TZ asks for 763s. Go East TZ, go East.....far East.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting PhoenixX2 (Reply 22):
How interesting.... the day after WN realizes that HP is going to Hawaii (they have already directed TZ to do 2 daily flights to the islands from PHX) that TZ asks for 763s. Go East TZ, go East.....far East.

Over on Yahoo!'s ATAHQ stock board, the 767 subject came up sometime back and it was for their military stuff. I don't think the HP/US deal has anything to do with it...


User currently offlineMattnrsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4906 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 21):
WOW, Kahala777 when you use to post under user name lhr001 you were constantly singing the praises of your UA, my what a difference a day makes (and a new user name!)

Just curious, but how do you know the two usernames are the same person? Would be hilarious if true.


25 Post contains links Luv2fly : See www.airwhiners.net and the section bitching about idiots there is a thread about him. Also look under archived civil under user name lhr001 and y
26 Ifly2eat : What you all missed in the 767 ramblings is that yesterday TZ filed a motion in court to set aside their pilot union's contract. More mismanagement ju
27 Co757 : A matter of time. You will See Southwest in the red soon. Labor Cost are the Highest now. All Good things must come to an End. Come On. SWA Senior Ma
28 Co757 : LMAO!
29 Jacobin777 : whoops....i meant US Airways...things DEFINITELY have improved for US...i.e. from a trip to the gutter to being "saved"....hey, it beats the gutter..
30 Midway2AirTran : On the topic, I believe the idea that these a/c if they come on property will supplement the military charters for the time being. I personally doubt
31 Post contains images Swadispatcher : Yeah.. and CO is making money hand over fist right now.. please.. Low costs are not just about low wage rates.. it's also about efficiency and that i
32 L-188 : So what is the streetvalue for a bootleg copy of the southwest ops manual, vs. the United one. Higher for Southwest's I wager.
33 Ikramerica : For an example of why SWAir may be headed for trouble, just visit LAX and fly them. Since one way southwest saves money is by piggybacking on the infr
34 Cat3ils : absolute classic line... Is Big Al's in Tucson or Ardmore??? haha
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