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Onur Air Allowed To Fly Again  
User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Now officially confirmed. Onur Air is welcome again in the Netherlands as from now on. When Onur Air well resume their flights is yet unconfirmed but I guess they will start flying as soon as possible.

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User currently offlineMdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 145 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

A dutch governement spokesman denied that today according to www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5128 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

I hope the passengers have read the papers........... No one can change their security habbits/structure/thinking in 3 weeks.

KL911


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9281 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

Just in the evening news, initially limited to 2 daily flights to DUS and if everything OK full go ahead after coming Sunday.

Whoever wants to fly with that airline should be informed by consumer activits at the gates. But here we see what political pressure and bullying can do.



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

NOS news mentiones the ban is lifted at 20:00CET.
Let's wait and see...


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Politic decisions vs. politic decisions  Smile

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

Good for Onur Air, I'd like to see how much REAL damage has Onur suffered.


Cheers wave 
Gastón - The MD-11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):
Just in the evening news, initially limited to 2 daily flights to DUS and if everything OK full go ahead after coming Sunday.

As I already wrote in another thread, Onur Air will not have it easy in Germany now. The German media made a big deal about these "safety problems" in the last two weeks and German travelers keep this in mind, especially since the Birgenair crash in the Dominican Republic a few years ago. I am sure there will be lots of people who will walk into a travel agency to book a holiday in Turkey this summer, but most of them will tell the travel agent something like: "I want to go to Turkey but I don't want to fly with this unsafe Onur Air".

Anyway, I wish Onur all the best.

Patrick


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

If Onur is really committed to get its act together (and it does not look that much has to be done), the ban(s) could be lifted quite soon.
Own post, May 19.

If the ban is lifted, and I hope for them it will be soon, it also means that the Turkish civ av authorities will do their part.
I have not seen this mentioned on A.net, but clearly Tr civ av played (by ommission) a significant role in Onur's problems.

Own post, May 21.

Onur Air submitted a plan and the Turkish CAA as well.
Ban lifted. QED.

I for one do not believe that the ban (12 days), despite the coverage it received in the media (but after all, it is not often that an airline is banned), will have a profound effect on their operations. The tourist has usually no choice, he is bound by the tour operator agreements with the airline.


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Some details on the lift of the ban...

The Dutch authorities tonight said that they had enough confidence in the plans from the Turkish authorities and Onur Air to lift the ban. Authorities from The Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, France, Turkey and the management of Onur Air have been negotiating the agreement extensively in the last few days. As a result of these meetings, the ban is lifted in all four countries.

A spokesman from the Dutch authorities said: "the confidence has returned. The Turkish government and Onur Air have presented a plan which makes solid ground for the (near) future. The plan is focused on the maintenance of the Onur Air-fleet, and the weight balance problems. The problems with the latter were the most serious, but can also be blamed on the companies doing the loading in Turkey".

The four authorities also promised Onur Air to help them with their plan.

The lift of the ban doesn't mean Onur Air will not be followed anymore. All planes flying into The Netherlands will be checked.

Onur Air's Dutch spokesman said that "he was very happy with the outcome of the talks". He also said that it was still unknown how much damage the airline has suffered from the ban.

Onur Air will resume all flights from this Saturday completely according the original schedule.

Cheers!  wave 



Only Those Who Sleep Don't Make Mistakes
User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 8):
I for one do not believe that the ban (12 days), despite the coverage it received in the media (but after all, it is not often that an airline is banned), will have a profound effect on their operations.

That depends on whether the touroperators will sue Onur for damages and/or whether they want to renew the contracts next year.


User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 10):
That depends on whether the touroperators will sue Onur for damages and/or whether they want to renew the contracts next year

If the price is right the contracts will be renewed. The tour ops will be looking at the bottom line I would imagine. Anwyay, good to see that the issues are being worked through in a good manner between all the authorities. Also reassuring to see authrotites using their powers when needed. Best luck to Onur Air from now on.


User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

When will they start to fly again in the Netherlands? This week already?

cheers

Nick



cheers
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6421 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Onur Air - look out for an airline name change as fast as paint can dry.


Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

When will they start to fly again in the Netherlands? This week already?

cheers

Nick


saturday...


User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Maruice,

thanks...will they use their A320's and A300's again as usual?



cheers
User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
"I want to go to Turkey but I don't want to fly with this unsafe Onur Air"

Like Prebennorholm, I think that a new name could solve this problem, if it actually exists.
Media, and more than them, the public are easy to foul, look at all the extremes regimes and politics we have around the world, pseudo-democratic or not. They can do whatever they want by giving the pill in marmalade to the public.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 9):
the weight balance problems

Lol!  rotfl  I'm not surprised. Have you already seen the way the trucks are loaded in Turkey?  weightlifter 

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 9):
The four authorities also promised Onur Air to help them with their plan.

That's very nice  thumbsup 


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

"""Lol! I'm not surprised. Have you already seen the way the trucks are loaded in Turkey? ""

what do you mean?
if in Turkey people don't know to load the planes, then everyday more than 50-60 airplane crashes must happen ...


User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 17):
what do you mean?

Calm down. Stay cool  Cool. When I read that, it just remembered me the turkish trucks, but it was just a joke, hence the "lol" and the smilies. You can find "strange" loadings all over the world, in a lot of countries...

And I'm 100% sure there are a lot of professionnals in Turkish airports who know how to load planes.


User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Yes indeed we (in Turkey) have a lot of professionals who does their job perfectly in all parts of the aviation, in compliance with all regulations and rules that apply to our jobs.

Thats why I believe,from the very beginning of this issue the reports on the media and many of the posters here on the A.Net showed great disrespect and unfairness to those who work no less than their European counterparts.Those unnamed coworkers should at least recieve an apology in this form where they were unfairly criticised by some posters who doesnt have any information about avition industry rather than wild guesses of other A.net posters.

The latest inspections run by the Authorities proved that there are no defects on Onurair maintenance system.The lift of the ban after 15 days of issuance proved that this ban is a lot political oriented and targetted specifically the biggest share holder of the charter market.



Widen your world
User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Quoting Wing (Reply 19):
The lift of the ban after 15 days of issuance proved that this ban is a lot political oriented and targetted specifically the biggest share holder of the charter market.

Wing, you still don't get it do you. The ban was based on facts and there is a reason why Onur had to submit a safety plan (twice) and has to change procedures. Or do you really think that such a plan was unnecessary? However we'll see what the suit will bring. If Onur loses than I hope you and everyone else will agree that the ban was based on facts (unless you don't trust the fairness of the Dutch courts). If Onur wins, than I'll agree with your statement.


User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Several touroperators already stated they will continue to use Onur Air for their holidays to Turkey, goods news for Onur, the damage may be limited.

Quoting Wing (Reply 19):
Thats why I believe,from the very beginning of this issue the reports on the media and many of the posters here on the A.Net showed great disrespect and unfairness to those who work no less than their European counterparts.Those unnamed coworkers should at least recieve an apology in this form where they were unfairly criticised by some posters who doesnt have any information about avition industry rather than wild guesses of other A.net posters.

A bit overreacted Wing, if we doubted Turkish people didn't do their work properly Turkish Airlines, Pegasus, Inter Airlines would have been banned as well. That didn't happen at all. I think this is rather Airline related.. and don't close your eyes for the issues there have been. These DID happen and are not made-up.


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting Wing (Reply 19):
The latest inspections run by the Authorities proved that there are no defects on Onurair maintenance system.The lift of the ban after 15 days of issuance proved that this ban is a lot political oriented and targeted specifically the biggest share holder of the charter market.

Wing, I personally have the impression that you and probably your Dad are flying for Onur Air. Nobody flying for an airline banned from several countries does like his aspect. We all try to do our jobs good and so I do understand your feeling that this ban came politically. I personally don't think so, I do agree with LJ's statement above.
I posted a message before, telling that the problem in such a case is not the individual pilot and no one of yours needs to be ashamed of. Onur Air was not banned for bad pilots or whatever and maybe the skills of you and your colleagues prevented from worse.
Onur was banned for reasons the management is responsible for as for example the subcharters of these famous TriStars or missing papers. I know how uncomfortable someone can feel, having to work for a carrier who does interpret the rules. I this aspect I think it can even be of great benefit for all employees of Onur Air that the management came now under pressure and needs to revise some internal procedures.
So once again: The intention was never to critic any individual working for Onur Air. The criticts was addressed to the responsible managers and they need to do heir homework. I think we all know people coming from countries we may not like the government, but they are nice, intelligent and skillful anyway. It is the same with employees of Onur Air. I am sure, they are as good as any airline employees over the world.
Wishing you many good flights and kind regards  Wink


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

Quoting Wing (Reply 19):
The latest inspections run by the Authorities proved that there are no defects on Onurair maintenance system.
The lift of the ban after 15 days of issuance proved that this ban is a lot political oriented and targetted specifically the biggest share holder of the charter market.

This is not what the Authorities said, where did you get that from ?

The lift of the temporary ban after only 12 days is proof that politics have no place in the story. To the contrary, the Dutch and German CAA proceeded without any delay to force a solution on Onur and the Turkisk CAA, and actually it could hardly have gone faster than what they did.

As I said, when rules are implemented, there must always be a political conspiracy in this part of the world. So typical of local tunnel vision !  Yeah sure


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7527 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

What I find more disturbing that Onur Air's problem is the number of people who see this as some sort of European plot to damage Turkey.

25 GVBIG : It's very possible that it is a plot. The one thing they shouldnt have done was bring in the L1011. If they hadnt done that, I think there would never
26 Jush : Yeah but that was stupid enough, wasn't it... leasing some f*cked up Tristar from Air Jordania or whatever isn't going to make Dutch aviation control
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