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DL Pulling Mainline From BTR, PWM And TUL...  
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

Effective Sep. 1 DL will pull mainline flights from BTR, PWM and TUL and transition their current flights into DCI operated RJ's.

TUL had 3 daily 732's to ATL
BTR had 2 daily 732's to ATL
PWM had 2 daily M88's to ATL and 1 M88 and 1 732 to CVG.

The DL ACS agents will be offered their choice of jobs across the system or they have the option to be hired on with the respected DCI operator taking over the station. I believe EV in BTR and TUL and OH in PWM.


It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
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User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 742 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

Sorry to hear that

I did some TDY at BTR a year ago...good folks down there, Also had the pleasure of meeting DL folks at PWM when I go to Maine to see my cousins....I hate to hear this. Out of MCI we have a few RJs now to ATL.

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5257 times:

Unbelievable. BTR at one time had 11 flights. 5 to DFW and 6 to ATL all 727s and DC-9s.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 2):
BTR at one time had 11 flights. 5 to DFW and 6 to ATL all 727s and DC-9s.

Also, 72Ss and M88s to BHM (1stop to CVG) as well as 72S to MOB (1stop to ATL).


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5212 times:

Quote:
Unbelievable. BTR at one time had 11 flights. 5 to DFW and 6 to ATL all 727s and DC-9s.

Things change. DL was the worst offender in the RJ era and now cities are paying for it. As far as 727s go, a 737 would be a much better plane to fly the route.



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4481 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

When are the schedules expected to be loaded?


Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Bad news for those markets, but BTR and TUL don't really surprise me, seeing as they already had a massive number of RJ flights, and the only mainline equipment being the 732. PWM however surprises me, given that it was mostly a mainline city, with additional RJs, rather than the other way around, and getting MD-88s. Oh well, guess the MD-88s will be needed to replace 732s on other routes out of ATL and CVG. But maybe once DL is out of the sh!t, those destinations could get a BUF treatment, with a return of mainline service, at least to ATL.

User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Things change. DL was the worst offender in the RJ era and now cities are paying for it. As far as 727s go, a 737 would be a much better plane to fly the route.

???? It's not like BTR has been taken over by mainline aircraft of other airlines.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6476 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

I'm not surprised by TUL or BTR either.

I am surprised by PWM. It's a higher yielding market and DL has good marketshare. Unfortunately, with the heavy number of mainline aircraft retirements, I expect to see more markets lose mainline service.

DL says they are trying to improve customer service, but replacing mainline flights on PWM-ATL with crappy ASA RJ service doesn't sound like good customer service to me.


User currently offlineBNAflyer78 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of mainline DL service for smaller cities like JAN, MOB, TYS, LIT, etc.?


Long live the Widget!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 7):
It's not like BTR has been taken over by mainline aircraft of other airlines.

No, but in recent years, they've all been returning it.

In fact, post-2003, AA had been BTR's only tenant to not return mainline service.


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 5):
When are the schedules expected to be loaded?

I believe Saturday.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

You could be right. Any non-Airtran city West of Atlanta and East of DFW is a good candidate for RJ service. What are they going to do? It's not like most have an option of even taking a mainline aircraft east north or south.

DL will take these mainline aircraft a put them in other Southeast markets to beat Airtran over the head with.


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
DL says they are trying to improve customer service, but replacing mainline flights on PWM-ATL with crappy ASA RJ service doesn't sound like good customer service to me.

Except of course that this mainline aircraft is going to another market so your customer service point is a non-issue.


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 10):
No, but in recent years, they've all been returning it.


Good point...LOL

[Edited 2005-05-24 21:56:40]

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Fred or somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't DL's departure leave NW as having the sole remaining mainline service into BTR?

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 14):
NW/AA/US do not have mainline aircraft.

NW has (as recent as last fall anyways) returned mainline service to MEM

I just said AA is the holdout *slap*

...and US hasn't served this airport for years.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 15):
but doesn't DL's departure leave NW as having the sole remaining mainline service into BTR?

CO was running a morning and evening 735 to IAH from BTR, the day me and Steve went there to check for that TCA office.

Dunno what they're flying now.


User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Remember Delta is returning some 737-200 to their leasors this year

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Quote:
CO was running a morning and evening 735 to IAH from BTR, the day me and Steve went there to check for that TCA office.

The 735 was RONing there. It is not currently running, though that could change.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Just did ten minutes worth of digging. It looks like CO has one mainline flight (a 737-500 AM departure) to IAH. NW does have mainline flights to MEM.

The last five minutes of digging was spent checking Louisiana's other primary air carrier airports (SHV, MLU, LCH, AEX, and LFT): there's no other Louisiana mainline service besides MSY (obviously) and the remaining service at BTR. (I was thinking SHV might have some.)

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlinePlanes333 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 16):
NW has (as recent as last fall anyways) returned mainline service to MEM

Was there a time when NW did not operate mainline flights into BTR? I see that in Sept. NW will downgrade one of their 3 DC9 flights to a CRJ. Just wondering if the station was previously Airlink.


~planes333


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6476 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 13):
Except of course that this mainline aircraft is going to another market so your customer service point is a non-issue.

Why is the customer service point a non-issue just because the plane is going elsewhere? Do you think people traveling the PWM-ATL route will care that the plane went to another route when they are stuck in an ASA RJ that has been delayed and their luggage lost? DL management and many DL employees (on this board) have complained that yields are low and customers aren't paying enough. But why should customers pay any premium if all they're getting is crappy ASA???

And for that matter, many of these planes aren't going to another route. The 732's are going to the desert.


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3010 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

What a shame about PWM. DL, I believe, is the largest carrier there. (At least it was in the past). PWM is one of the last holdouts from the Northeast days!


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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4882 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
Why is the customer service point a non-issue just because the plane is going elsewhere? Do you think people traveling the PWM-ATL route will care that the plane went to another route when they are stuck in an ASA RJ that has been delayed and their luggage lost? DL management and many DL employees (on this board) have complained that yields are low and customers aren't paying enough. But why should customers pay any premium if all they're getting is crappy ASA???

And for that matter, many of these planes aren't going to another route. The 732's are going to the desert.

What don't you get?. The PWM plane is going to be put in another market where they will create more of the good customer service you are talking about. PWM's loss will be CAK's gain for instance. The may decide to upgrade PLS. Who the hell cares?

Also in absolute terms more mainline seats are being added this year than RJ's. So it does not matter is some aircraft are being retired.


25 DAYflyer : How will that help DL? Airtran is all mainline aircraft. Besides the 737-200 is being retired, not re-assigned. How does downgrading service to anywh
26 COfaninBOS : CO will have mainline service this summer to New Orleans, Baton Rouge, and Lafayette. BTR and LFT will both receive 8 ERJs and 1 735 on weekdays from
27 DAL767400ER : @DAYflyer: It will benefit Delta, because even with it's high CASM, it is more economically efficient to operate a full CRJ than an only 50% filled ga
28 Danny : Also BUF-CVG goes back to all CRJ. These changes are because of retirements of 732 which are terrible fuel burners.
29 Zone1 : I hope they don't drop MOB's mainline service. If they did MOB will become an all RJ city. They scaled back the number of seats recently, and dropped
30 FlyPNS1 : If DL took every mainline plane and had them fly just three routes (ATL-MCO, ATL-LGA and ATL-LAX) and made every other route an RJ, would you still s
31 DAL767400ER : Well, since you think that the RJs are so bad, then what do you suggest DL should do? Keep the fuel-guzzling 732s, reduce the number of flight and the
32 Flyinryan99 : CAK is getting mainline back to ATL? If so...how many daily flights?
33 A330323X : What a shame about PWM. DL, I believe, is the largest carrier there. (At least it was in the past). My rough calculations show US with 1,111 daily sea
34 DAL767400ER : He just used CAK as an example. Don't if any mainline return to CAK is already planned, but it should happen sometime in the future, seeing as how go
35 Post contains images Flyinryan99 : I totally agree CAK has been a gold mine for Delta. I remember back in the 2000 - 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong) timeframe, mainline did fly into CAK
36 FlyPNS1 : You're right, at this point there is little DL can do, but add more RJ's. Unfortunately, DL is paying the price for their RJ orgy and will pay the pr
37 ChrisNH : I'm sad to hear about Portland. This is a station where Delta fielded 757s to Boston (!) and CVG in the 1980s. But Delta is doing to PWM what United d
38 ARCJET : I remember when Delta started service to Denver and Tulsa on July 28, 1977 from Atlanta.
39 ConcordeBoy : After 9/11, they went for an Avro and CRJ mix.... then all-CRJs. Now it's back up to D9s.
40 Jetpixx : DL briefly had MD-88 service three times daily from ATL to CAK right around 9/11, but it was suspended. I'd love to see it return, as I'd much prefer
41 Stock1985 : Maybe if Delta did not charge an arm and a leg for their ATL-TUL fares the demand would increase. I was just checking last week and the lowest fare in
42 Iowaman : That really stinks, ATL-PWM and ATL-TUL on a smaller scale are long routes for the CRJ. On a good note: TUL- F9 (QX) started 2x CR7 DEN-TUL last week,
43 EMBQA : ChrisNH- I was living near PWM back in 1983-84 when Delta introduced the 757 to Portland. It was big news. I remember for a while they had 3 or 4 757'
44 NW7E7 : I don't think DL will cut mainline service to ATL from LIT. It is one of the hottest routes out of LIT. They currently operate 3 MD-88's, 2 CR7's, and
45 MAH4546 : That really doesn't mean anything. Little Rock is just as "safe" from mainline cutting as Portland was last week.
46 KevOC3 : I am not one to post msgs often, but I must. I would not be suprised to see a mainline return to PWM next summer, but handled be Comair, since that wo
47 Jonathan L : I'm sad to hear about PWM. I'd much rather fly on an MD-88 than a CRJ.
48 Pwm2txlhopper : I also don't post many messages here anymore, but I also had to express my sorrow at hearing that DL will be pulling mainline out of PWM and shutting
49 IL76TD : DAL767400ER, Exactly, some people's financial sense on this board amazes me. Tom[Edited 2005-05-25 11:03:32]
50 ChrisNH : Delta flew 767s to Portland, Maine? These must have been diversions or unscheduled upgrades, because to my knowledge the 767 was never scheduled by De
51 RL757PVD : Highly doubtful, if the demand was there in the first place they wouldnt be reducing the service! Secondly, the 757s are more and more at a premium w
52 Georgiabill : A sad announcement indeed. I hope DL does return some mainline equipment into PWM. However PVD, I doubt DL would take a MD88 from MHT to ATL as the lo
53 PVD757 : Look for a lot more CVG flights that were 732's to be switched to RJ's too. I feel bad for PWM as well, it's a nice airport/city. It's just a sign of
54 DAL767400ER : If that happens, it would still be many years away. There is at least a handfull of cities that would see SLC service before MHT (BNA, CMH, BDL, IND,
55 VgnAtl747 : Rumor has it that DL will be pulling a lot of the 732 routes from mainline, and transfering those over to EV and OH. We have heard new DCI operated 70
56 Law4fun : Well, this just means that we will have to get all the shots of those 732's in TUL before they are put out to pasture, so to speak. Unfortunate, as DL
57 Jeffrito : Yes ... Portland is setting up quite nicely for JetBlue. Especially if Indy doesn't make it.
58 Spartan13 : You know it Jim...it sucks to see them leave. I don't think TUL will be the same without those 732's around. Ralph
59 Ouboy79 : The 2-M88 and 2-CR7 schedule from OKC has been in there since they pulled the 732s out of the market a few months back.
60 PWM2TXLHopper : ChrisNH, 'Delta flew 767s to Portland, Maine? These must have been diversions or unscheduled upgrades, because to my knowledge the 767 was never sched
61 ChrisNH : That's very interesting about the overnighting 767s! I remember being at PWM as a DL 757 took off bound for Boston. Of course the flight was very lig
62 DeltaA380 : 732 = Old CRJ = Relatively New Do you really think customers aren't going to see some advantage in that? These are challenging times and it is certain
63 EMBQA : Portland is already on the JetBlue future growth list and has been since day one.....if they add it is another story. Although I'd like to see Southwe
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