"A380, which completed its ninth test flight over the weekend, has exceeded its fuel burn goals, Airbus sources told ATWOnline. While coy on confirming the results, a spokesperson told this website that the aircraft is having a near-perfect flight test program. During the flights, some of which have lasted 8 hr., the A380 has been flown to an altitude of 43,000 ft. and at speeds up to Mach 0.89. Airbus plans to unveil the second A380 sporting a Singapore Airlines livery "shortly." Despite the positive A380 news, Cathay Pacific is still leaning toward the 747ADV and 777-300ER for its fleet growth/replacement order, which is expected in July, sources at the airline said. The fleet replacement plans currently call for its three A340-600s, leased from ILFC, to be replaced by 747ADVs.
by Geoffrey Thomas"
Is this going to be a mere formality for CX or do Airbus stand a chance of winning another A380 (or other variant) order?
I don't want to get into the issue of media portrayal as this article has shown, but IMO CX will definatly place a Boeing order from what has been coming out of CX officials.
Is this the launch of the 747 Advance officially coming up?
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 36 Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8354 times:
Quoting Monteycarlos (Thread starter): "A380, which completed its ninth test flight over the weekend, has exceeded its fuel burn goals, Airbus sources told ATWOnline. While coy on confirming the results, a spokesperson told this website that the aircraft is having a near-perfect flight test program.
Yet after almost every flight it takes, they push the delivery date back further and further, which suggests otherwise.
In the end, the plane will fly, fly well and they will do modifications to make it reach its intended performance, but Airbus has a proven track record of overstating expectations during the selling phase and struggling to achieve its promises. That said, they seem to get there in the end on most of them.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21310 posts, RR: 60 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8323 times:
Are they going to say otherwise? Not saying it isn't true, but what business admits things are going wrong in a press release? Boeing wouldn't, i would bet. They will say all is fine while they look to correct anything that may not be fine. That's what i would do.
I was intrigued by the first flight tv show on TLC here in the US. They were having many problems evident from the footage and dialogue if not from the narrator. Landing gear and engines. Lots of cursing involving these two things.
I bet the plane performs as promised, no better, no worse, when all is said and done.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 71 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8235 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5): Are they going to say otherwise? Not saying it isn't true, but what business admits things are going wrong in a press release? Boeing wouldn't, i would bet. They will say all is fine while they look to correct anything that may not be fine. That's what i would do.
They probably would admit if things were going wrong, and I do believe that Boeing would, too.
The simple reason: things would get out anyhow - unexpected positive, or negative, news always finds a way into the public, and if it's via one of the customers that's already signed up for the plane that's being informed...
If I recall correctly, the problems with the A340-500/-600's weight came out during testing, just as much as I seem to remember reports of vibrations during the B777's original test flights (might be wrong on that one, it's been a few years since)...
So, no, I don't think that either of the two big manufacturers, not to mention Bombardier or Embraer, would try to hide problems from the outside during testing.
As for Cathay - I wasn't aware that they had already publicly stated their intention of replacing the A340-600s with the B747Adv; when was that made public?
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2876 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8067 times:
Despite even with a modest order for the 747Adv from CX, there is probably little interest from existing 744 operators currently. The 744s aren't that old yet and those wishing to upgrade capacity near-term have already selected the A380. Once the 744SF program gets underway, this will virtually end new build 744Fs.
I am not sure how much Boeing is going to invest 787 technology into the 747 program but if it's just a re-engining and material upgrades, the market will be luke-warm to that idea. Any re-winging and stretching of the fuselage will require substantial investment.
Boeing is better off with the 773ER at the high capacity range and let Airbus have the market for A380-class aircraft. Because right now it's kicking the A346 in the rear end in most competitions.
By 2010, there will be airlines that have not selected an entire 744 replacement to seek one. For example such BA, JL, KE (if they haven't already migrated to the A380/773ER/A346 combo). Then, Boeing could come with a true competitor to the A380, and decide whether it goes under or over the capacity of the currently offered A388.
With that Boeing could be finished with the 747 & 767 production in 2007.
In regards to CX, the only market it really needs VLA is the HKG-LHR run. Everybody knows that an airline doesn't order a totally new aircraft just for one route.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9030 posts, RR: 16 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7720 times:
According to the former Deputy Chairman of Cathay Pacific, Mr Patrick Tsai, CX plans to operate the B747-400 till they are at the age of 25. They see their B 747-400s having a lifespan or 25 years.
Guess CX will order the B 747 Advanced to replace the A 340-600s and B 747-400s all in one go. But how many will they order? Up to 25 maybe? They have just acquired some second hand B 747-400s which will make the number of B 747-400s to be 22. And they have 3 A 340-600s to replace.....
I suppose ALL B 747-400 operators are potential buyers of the B 747 Advanced. Hope it will turn out to be a huge success, like the B 747-400.
Boeing will eventually come up with an all new superjumbo. Maybe in 20 years time
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 40 Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7714 times:
Qantas hasn't expressed any interest in the 744 ADV. In fact they told Boeing to do anatomically inadvisable things with the proposal. They are, or were, more than interested in the 787, including a 100 % guarantee that all composite components for the cabin cage inparticular would weight precisely the same as each other, meaning that every jet would have as near identical dry weight as today's various offerings .
I have an uneasy feeling that everything we thought we knew about Boeing and Airbus projects is about to be proven wrong. The 'body' language of recent announcements from both camps is totally unconvincing. I know that's rather unscientific of me to say so, but I've sent more than half a century reading company and public or banking policy statements for almost imperceptible clues. My instincts are that the the signposts along the road are no longer readable, meaning we can't be sure anymore exactly where the business of making jets is headed.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11786 posts, RR: 48 Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7679 times:
Quoting Avek00 (Reply 11): Completely untrue - BA, CX, and QF have all expressed significant interest in the 744ADV.
When and where have BA expressed this significant interest? They have publicly stated that replacement of their 767s is top priority, but that's not urgent seeing as how they're currently fitting new seats.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9030 posts, RR: 16 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7610 times:
Most B 747-400s are still very new and I guess they need not be replaced anytime soon. BA's oldest B 747-400 is around 16 years old. When it comes to replacement I am sure current B 747-400s will look into the B 747 Advanced seriously. Hope the B 747 Advanced will be as successful as the B 747-400.
Yeah you are right. Court papers and stuffs for UA now. Maybe when they get out of chapter 11 then they will order some.
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 40 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7537 times:
I know this is a fantasy forum (I'm a slow learner in some respects) but what are you going to say if no-one orders the 744 ADV?
The jet depends on the transfer of technology from the 787, which doesn't fly until the middle of 2007. In the meantime there is the truly outstanding 777-300ER and an A380 which will have been in service for around 4 years before the 744 ADV would become available on the articles I've been reading.
25 DAYflyer: Better PR to admit the mistake and work cooperatively to gte things fixed, than to have someone else blow it out of proportion.... Me either, I thoug
26 United Airline: Eventually when Boeing feels that there is a huge market, I am sure they will build an all new superjumbo to compete with Airbus. Maybe something bigg
27 MKEdude: CX has been a loyal Boeing customer over the years and as long as the 747ADV is a possibility I see no reason for that to change. When the 747ADV is f
28 RayChuang: I think what is holding up the order for new long-range widebody jets is CX wants to know the fuel burn of the A380-800 is based on the testing of F-W
29 Commavia: I agree. I think that CX leaning away from the A380 and towards the 747ADV and 773ER are largely a reflection of CX's very long and positive relation
30 Monteycarlos: You see here is the toss up. CX is a long time Boeing buyer, yet like other "traditional" Boeing customers (and I'll lump QF in here) they have bough
31 PyroGX41487: Remember, CX isn't a Boeing only carrier. They have A343s, A346s, 332s... basically a fair share of Airbus widebodies. I think its fair to say that if
32 KL808: CX uses its A340-600 to JFK. CX has never been fond of sending twins across the pacific therefore maybe a B747ADV would be better suited on that rout
33 MKEdude: I say KE and MH because both are carriers that have always flown a mixed Boeing/Airbus fleet. They seem to buck the "fleet commonality" trend and ins
34 N79969: Has Cathay Pacific commented in any way on the 787? In my mind, they seem like a prime target for 787 sales efforts as they operate quite a few A330.
35 BuckFifty: There is a concern that, if and when a 747Adv does show up, that it will be too expensive an aircraft to replace the 744's in CX's fleet. The 773ER, i
36 United Airline: UA is likely to survive. Once they are out of the woods I believe they will order the B 747 Advanced to replace their B 747-400s. ANA's B 747 Classics
37 Pixuk: I though Boeing stated there wasn't a market for a new superjumbo, which is why they got on and developed the 7E7 while Airbus went down the A3XX rou
38 Zoom1018: I think Boeing stated that there was not enough demand for VLA, they did not say there was no market at all!
39 KL808: Yes sir your right, however I believe the ETOPS requirements to Australia from HKG is minimal (120 min is sufficient), therefore the use of twins to
40 Zoom1018: Well, things change through time... who knows? If others can fly their twins over the water, so can CX.
41 Clickhappy: posted this in another thread, but rumors around Seattle have CX, BA, and Qantas launching the 747Adv at Paris with orders for 10 frames each.
42 Zoom1018: if that would be truth then it 'exceeds' my expectation