MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 27 Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13882 times:
won't have blended winglets, will have big engines (like the 777 GE's) and will be longer, from inside it will have an aviation upgrade and 787 Interior style... it will also fly further and , ofcourse, more fuell saving...
EDIT: and if the 747adv get's launched, they will first produce the 747advF and then look if a passenger model is still attractive enought to build...
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11899 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13859 times:
It will be longer than the current B-744. There may be some use of composits. It will use raked wingtips, not the winglets on the B-744. The B-747-ADVF and passenger model B-747-ADV may use the same wing. I believe it will use the B-787 engines, too.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7623 posts, RR: 38 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13580 times:
Sorry, but maybe it's just because I'm really tired right now and I can't see straight. But those specs between the 744ER and 747ADV somehow just don't make sense to me. Am I missing something or is my brain alreay sleeping?
(I just got off night shift... )
Danny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3488 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13367 times:
Quoting Zoom1018 (Reply 23): Quoting Danny (Reply 22):
19% lower trip cost which may be true but considering it has 25% less seats does not impress really.
It is no use if you do not have enough demand (to fill the 25% extra seats) anyways
Sure. But manipulation is clear. To compare profitability of two planes you need to take both costs and revenues not just the costs. These aircraft are for different markets - you don't compare ERJ with 737 do you?
25 Widebodyphotog: Sorry folks had to correct some info in the table: Crrections Note: range correction Lower holds capacity Cruise speeds Sorry for the goof up. -widebo
26 Zoom1018: What if the comparison is based on individuals? I mean, for example, they consider A380 with 550 pax and 747adv with 450 and with all the costs taken
27 Thunderbird1: I thought it was more different from the -400ER than the chart seems to indicate. It's a cool looking airplane, though, that's for sure. Let's hope Bo
28 Danny: That would be fantastic but this is not the case. It would have to beat 787 completely then. That is why I said initially that this document is PR BS
29 Zoom1018: It could hehehe because they are both for different markets hehehe (sorry, I am just interested in aviation and do not know much about technical thing
30 Fubar37: Why bother with it at all. it seems silly to me to spend the dollars developing this kind of aircraft to only seat a few more people. Yes Yes i know a
31 Zoom1018: Well, it is a matter of replacing old ones with new ones and of course the new ones must be better... hence such an aircraft
32 CHRISBA777ER: Gotta say - she's a cracking looking aeroplane - thats a seriously good looking jet!
33 Glom: Because that would require major reworking and because FBW is not the be-all and end-all of aircraft technology. The 787 engines will help but that i
34 MarcoT: Would you pray tell exactly what 'advanced 787 technology' will it use, if ever launched? I mean, apart from the obvious reingeneering with a (bleed
35 N60659: You could probably get some of what you are looking for here. -N60659
36 Zoom1018: Thank you N60659 for sharing the information.
37 DfwRevolution: Not in every regard. Materials technology will be, at best, late 1990s. The bulk of economic improvements are coming from (1) stretch, (2) new engine
38 Gary2880: and from another thread so how can boeing know this? i dont think its something to give the thumbs up and smile about do you, that wouldnt be very fa
39 F14D4ever: Not likely. The GE90 can produce as little as 77k pounds thrust, but not as economically as needed for this application. As shown in the graphic prov
40 Glom: Trip costs, eh? How do the seat-mile costs compare?
41 Ikramerica: Some technologies it will likely use from 777 and/or 787: Higher pressure cabin Higher humidity cabin No-Bleed air engines Newer wing design Raked Win
42 Gigneil: The 744ER's range is not 8000nm. The 747ADVs is. No, it isn't. Only engines. Won't be anywhere close to that big. Nope. That requires a composite fus
43 Ikramerica: seems you have all the answers for this secret plane, tell us more please... why would higher pressure require a composite fuselage rather than just a
44 ComeAndGo: It's going to look better than the 744 and it's going to have a bowling alley and jacuzzi like the A380.
45 ComeAndGo: Why are the seating numbers always wrong at the manufacturers? The first class on the 744 is not 23 but 14. Why do we always get inflated numbers?
46 Avek00: Exactly. The 744ADV allows most current 744 operators to engage in INCREMENTAL capacity growth under existing business models versus moving into an e
47 AA777: ....if it is using engines from the 787 that are all BLEEDLESS.... why are u saying that the 747ADV engines arent going to be bleedless? .... read yo
48 BoeingBus: You are all wrong... or a half right.... the 747Adv is going to use a bleed version of the GenX family, which will be similar to what GE will do to t
49 Zvezda: For the B747 to have 6000' cabin altitude would require not only strengthening that would add weight, but new air systems that would be expensive to
50 Widebodyphotog: Interesting... Have not heard that either engine manufacturer has made commitments to produce engines for 747ADV or A350. Would you have a source for
51 DfwRevolution: I was opperating under the impression that the GeNX powerplant was on the 787, had exclusive availability on the 747-Adv, and already available on th
52 Zvezda: That was my understanding also. BTW, does anyone know the exterior cross-sectional height of the B747 fuselage at the hump? About 300 inches?