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AA No Luxury Liner Anymore?  
User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1487 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

Saw this photo and wondered why the Luxury Liner portion of the paint scheme was obliterated. Is this change or just a decaying decal?
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...re%20ol%20ivrjf%20qrfp&photo_nr=41

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User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

No more Luxurt liner OR Jet... Havent sen those in a while...

You normally cant se that, but the sun reflection can do the trick...

MGA



Que viva el guaro, el dinero y los aviones!!!
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10355 times:

Thread on this not too long ago . . .

Decals cost $$$, just another cost cutting measure by AA.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10338 times:

The Luxury Liners are no long "Luxury".
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/1385242/4/

The Super 80s are no longer "Super".
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/1588438/4/

.

[Edited 2005-05-25 22:53:22]


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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Decals cost $$$

Yeah another cost cutting technique to avoid the big boys upstairs from taking a pay decrease!  sarcastic 

In America, we will now have an airline similar to RyanAir. Its name, well we all know that it is called American Airlines  yes 


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10177 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 4):
Yeah another cost cutting technique to avoid the big boys upstairs from taking a pay decrease!

In America, we will now have an airline similar to RyanAir. Its name, well we all know that it is called American Airlines

Ah, come on, it's just some stickers. Let's not exaggerate here.

If AA starts charging for water or sodas, or cuts baggage allowances to Ryanair levels, then you'll have a point.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10158 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 5):
If AA starts charging for water or sodas, or cuts baggage allowances to Ryanair levels, then you'll have a point.

Sadly enough, we all know that this may become a common practice for most airlines in the United States. American Airlines, is the one airline that everyone wanted to fly. Now, it is the same thing as Southwest, Jet Blue, Delta, and Northwest Airlines when it comes to domestic Economy service. In addition American Airlines, international economy product has been slipping greatly in recent years!


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9997 times:

What do you guys expect?

When you combine AArogance with AArsinine business practices, you get the current AA.



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9898 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 7):
When you combine AArogance with AArsinine business practices, you get the current AA.

Ha Ha.... What I would do to go back to the late 1990's and American Airlines.. The way it was!

 cloudnine 


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9821 times:

Why all the hate on AA all the sudden???

They are one of the better run legacy carriers right now.


User currently offlineFLFlyGuy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 244 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9745 times:
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If people would go back to paying the fares that they paid in the 90's, perhaps you would see the American Airlines that you remember. We certainly remember the passengers.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

It's nothing special in the air, and they no longer provide any luxury, nor anything super, so what's the big deal about losing the names? Big grin

I used to fly AA all the time, but no longer. Their 777first product is okay, except for broken seats (on two different planes), scratched PV displays, and less than luxurious materials. (this was on the pacific 777, the atlantic is one of the best first products in the world). the F/As are not too attentive, but the food is great up there.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1545 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 4):
In America, we will now have an airline similar to RyanAir. Its name, well we all know that it is called American Airlines

Well AA doesn't have pay toilets yet...  Smile



Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9533 times:

Was AA luxury sometime?

User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9489 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):
Why all the hate on AA all the sudden???

They are one of the better run legacy carriers right now.

So that makes them the best of the worst?

Quoting FLFlyGuy (Reply 10):
If people would go back to paying the fares that they paid in the 90's, perhaps you would see the American Airlines that you remember. We certainly remember the passengers.

Yeah, and if AA and its employees went back to adequate service, maybe we would see the AA we remember. Who made you the mouthpiece for AA?



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9468 times:

Enough with the wisecracks about AA's service. If people understood that AA can't provide full service at Southwest fares and were willing to pay for a higher level of service, AA would be like it was in the 80s and 90s.

I still fly AA, because of watching Airline and seeing the class of people who fly Southwest.

As for the issue of decals, I figured that AA would get rid of the Luxury Jet and Luxury Liner decals when the 737s and 777s were first delivered in 1999. None of them had the decals.


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 15):
I still fly AA, because of watching Airline and seeing the class of people who fly Southwest

You know for a guy who's sick of wisecracks about AA's service (which is well deserved by the way), you then make a snooty wisecrack about the people who fly Southwest.

FYI, jack, all sorts of people, rich/poor, black/poor, professional/loser all fly Southwest.



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

"I still fly AA, because of watching Airline and seeing the class of people who fly Southwest."

Can you be more specific?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9031 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 15):
Enough with the wisecracks about SA)">AA's service. If people understood that SA)">AA can't provide full service at Southwest fares and were willing to pay for a higher level of service, SA)">AA would be like it was in the 80s and 90s.

AAs service started going south way before 9/11 or the low cost carrier excuse.

Going to Swizterland in 1998, they called to confirm my first class itinerary from Dayton through ORD to LHR to Geneva (BA segment). All was well. Thing is a few days later when I went to Dayton, turns out the flight I had booked (ORD to LHR in the evening) hadn't been running for months! I got stranded in ORD for a day, losing a day of my vacation (and then they flew me into Zurich and on to Geneva on swiss, instead). My first class return flight from LHR to ORD was awful. Attendents were rude and acted like they were doing me and the guy sitting next to me a favor by feeding us, and were nowhere to be found when we needed a drink or a new Hi8 tape.

The way they treated me after being stranded in key west for 5 days after Hurricane Georges was poor too (but not as bad as Delta). Getting stuck on the tarmac in Miami for two hours that same flight because the baggage handlers switched shift with the bags half on and the new crew decided not to show up was a hoot.

The gate staff's attitude and lack of professionalism during equipment related delays three times in a row at DFW was inexcusable. Flying our replacement F100 in from San Antonio on one occasion was a nice gesture, but leaving the cockpit window open in the rain and damaging the flight controls was a bit careless.

Then loudly chatting while first passengers are trying to sleep on the way to Tokyo in 2003 was just plain rude. And the broken seat on that flight for 11 hours was a joy. Lie flat is fun when one side of the seat keeps collapsing and waking you up until you "rehook" it. The fact that I told them about this on the way out, and we got the SAME PLANE 8 days later and they hadn't fixed it was in excusable for a $13k fare.

And the horrible state of the cabin in their 757 product is just not right, especially the first seats. Cramming 6 across on the 767 and calling it premium is a joke compared to how it used to be, too. It's like flying UA used to be. At least DL is ambivilent to customers rather than actively rude, and consistent in that regard.

But AAs 738 product is good, and the Atlantic 777 first cabin is a triumph. The crew needs to remember who pays the bills though. Even if the fares aren't as high as they were, it doesn't mean the people are worthless or are trying to cheat you. We are just paying the fares we are offered.

Even in the post 9/11, B6 HN world, CO doesn't treat people badly on a regular basis. Which is why I've become very loyal to them even if there are sometimes other more direct options. And before a few years ago, I would barely ever fly them. I was a half million AAdvantage miler (flown, many more 'earned'). Now I've used all my miles but 40k, and don't plan on earning any more, but I've accumed 150k flown miles on CO in 3+ years, all leisure...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineANX4fishing From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8806 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 15):
I still fly AA, because of watching Airline and seeing the class of people who fly Southwest.

A bit provocative, don't you think?

I fly WN weekly, see all kinds of "classes". Specifically, which one do you oppose..?

ANX


User currently offlineSoaringadi From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8621 times:

Quoting FLFlyGuy (Reply 10):
If people would go back to paying the fares that they paid in the 90's, perhaps you would see the American Airlines that you remember. We certainly remember the passengers.

Roger that !

Well said..... I'm there with you  Smile



If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going !
User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 858 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

Its absolutely incredible how quickly these threads become an AA bashing session.  Yeah sure

ALL carriers have implemented cost cutting measures...AA is certainly in better condition compared to UA and DL.



That's why we're here.
User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

Luxury? Nowadays air travel is nothing more than a bus with wings!!!  yuck 


Boston, USA
User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

Quoting FLFlyGuy (Reply 10):



Quoting FLFlyGuy (Reply 10):
people would go back to paying the fares that they paid in the 90's, perhaps you would see the American Airlines that you remember. We certainly remember the passengers.

while I understand the needs of AA to cut costs, as a premium passenger the company problems should not be mine. I am glad you remembered the passengers, I was one of them. Now I happily fly the competition on Transatlantic (with a much much better premium product as well). I really wish AA all the best and I am happy not to consider them anymore as well for my travels


User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

Bollocks!

I'd put AA up against any other legacy carrier across the pond any day of the week.

Try flying UA, DL, CO, US or NW across vs. AA and you'll easily see what I mean.

The extra legroom that AA gives their passengers is enough to validate this argument by itself.

Example:

DL 777 (old and new config) - 58 total rows of seats.
AA 777 - only 43 total rows of seats.

Need I say more?


25 ORD : AA is getting rid of MRTC. There is no more extra legroom. AA is now the same in coach as all other U.S. carriers. The exception is United's Economy
26 Vermeer : Goomba, I am sorry for not having been clearer in my post. First of all I was talking about premium products and second the term "competition" did not
27 AirEMS : Quick question here after the AA Flt 191 crash on ORD didn't AA remove all of the Luxury Liner DC-10 decal from its fleet due to public fear? Fly Safe
28 PRAirbus : This subject has been previously discussed...anyway, it's a cost cutting measure, less paint, less money spent. It also reflects what most customers w
29 Aacun : The DC10 only carried the Luxury Liner sticker after the crash in ORD. The DC10 part was dropped.
30 AA7573E : It's really amazing to hear the complaints that people have, knowing full well that 75% of you have never paid for a full fair ticket, and 95% of star
31 Post contains links LY4XELD : AA can't be as bad as participants on this thread perceive it. AA won best Economy class product in this year's OAG rankings. It's certainly better th
32 Vermeer : Feel free to put me in the 25% of the people who shell out the money themselves for travelling C ( and rarely F). I don't demand rock bottom prices, a
33 Post contains images Vinceb1117 : They had to remove the decals do to legal reasons. It was considered false adverstising. They will be replaced with Near LuxuryLiner, Averagejet, and
34 Goomba : Once again - MRTC aside. AA's 777 has 43 rows and DL's with 58. Tell me again how AA isn't beating them with "less rows". Less rows = more space. Just
35 Catatonic : Seat guru says thats a crappy seat because of the curvature of the plane and the noise from the toilets. I would imaging you would get the odd whiff
36 Post contains images Jtamu97 : Nothing a little silver Duct Tape can't fix and that stuff lasts!!!
37 Goomba : Seat guru says thats a crappy seat because of the curvature of the plane and the noise from the toilets. I would imaging you would get the odd whiff o
38 Post contains images Vermeer : Goomba, I am not sure if with your answer you were replying to my post. I haven't compared AA with DL.
39 TACAA320 : "The only other airline that comes close is BA. BA's service is better than AA's, but the legroom isn't even close unless you upgrade to Economy plus.
40 Nyskymasters : It's amazing to me how quick all of you that bash AA or any other airline are to state how rude, how bad the legroom is, etc.... Do all of us employee
41 Aerofan : Talking about oxymoronic statements. Some people have the nerve. When was any of AAs flight or planes considered luxury? It's about time they came bac
42 TACAA320 : By your employer, not by the passengers.
43 Nyskymasters : Actually, what's between my employer and I are my own issues which I deal with simply, If I don't want to work for them I don't have to. However in r
44 Mtnmanmakalu : Amen.... The Airline bashing is getting ridiculous.... And what does all this hate have to do with the original post? 99% of the people bashing EVERY
45 TACAA320 : Really? This must be a joke. And a bad one.[Edited 2005-05-27 18:44:57]
46 Texdravid : After you get done feeling sorry for yourself, I for one do pay for business and first class service, and get lousier service than coach was in the 1
47 Vermeer : Nyskymaster, without getting way too off topic, don't you think that the problem is definitely of a surpassed business model for the specific airline
48 Post contains images Skydrol : "Luxury Liner" to be replaced with "Econoliner"; awaiting AA getting the rights for the Econoline name from Ford. But this could ruin the name, becaus
49 TACAA320 : "After you get done feeling sorry for yourself, I for one do pay for business and first class service, and get lousier service than coach was in the 1
50 Ikramerica : Love the attitude of some AA people here. Blame the customer and tell him/her not to fly if they don't want to. Call them cheap when you really don't
51 Nyskymasters : You did not just say this....DOCTOR. Let me count the number of times I have gone to a doctor's office and had to wait, and wait, and wait due to mul
52 Nyskymasters : I second your amen. This is at times a fun forum. Other times.....
53 TACAA320 : "I remember the days that a doctor would actually sit down and ask, "How are you doing lately?" And why? According to the medical field it is because,
54 Nyskymasters : TACAA320, Ok, you got me there. Perhaps in Costa Rica you do have doctors that actually see their patients within a reasonable amount of time of their
55 TACAA320 : "I must also say this. After reading your posts you seem to have a BIG complaint with AA. You have never said what they have done to you to garner suc
56 WhiteHatter : It's also a bit cheesy, and opens AA up to criticism. Seat pitch and service being as little as it is in today's environment. I wouldn't be surprised
57 Texdravid : Don't even start with those comparisons, not even for one moment. Your comments are way off target and don't even apply to me, a cardiothoracic surge
58 TACAA320 : Amen! Reply 51 is really offensive, off topic and senseless...
59 ThePinnacleKid : Well... sad to see so many hate AA here... but not my problem... I love American Airlines, I love their service... Have NEVER had a problem in the 20
60 TACAA320 : Well, some loves AA others hate it. Such is life in the tropic.
61 TACAA320 : Like which ones?
62 777STL : For everyone here bitching about AA, there's an equal amount of people out there bitching about whatever airline they hate at the moment. Obviously AA
63 Airlinerfreak : I have got a stupid quesiton but can it be that expensive to maintain?
64 TACAA320 : "If you don't like AA then don't fly them, it's that simple." [reply 62] If you read most previous posts, you may see that most of us don't like AA as
65 CORULEZ05 : they were never TRULY luxury liners so perhaps they finally realized how stupid those logos where and removed them!?!?! LOL. Just another thing they a
66 777STL : Alright well I guess I don't see the constructive use of complaining about an airline that you no longer fly but that's me.
67 TACAA320 : "Alright well I guess I don't see the constructive use of complaining about an airline that you no longer fly but that's me." It is constructive. If a
68 Nyskymasters : Well, I waited a day for things to settle down here before I said anything else. 1. Texdravid...seems like you got a bit offensive with my commenting
69 TACAA320 : "2. TACAA320 Don't know why you have such a hate for AA but as all the level headed people on here have said...If you don't like them don't fly them."
70 Texdravid : Yeah, just like I was commenting on how lousy AA and their service is, not commenting on CO or WN or other airlines, because I find their service goo
71 ThePinnacleKid : Well TACAA320... I PERSONALLY, think American's service is on par if not better than the other carriers I fly... but I also think they all do a good
72 TACAA320 : "being an airline employee..."[reply 71] That explain the difference between you and me. Myself, as a non employee of ANY airline, allows me to talk a
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