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New Thai Airways Service To JNB...  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Thai national carrier, Thai Airways will begin a 3x weekly MD-11 service from the Thai capital Bangkok to the South African city of Johannesberg.

The servcice is expected to start in December of this year and will be codeshared with SAA!

Why did SAA quit BKK, I loved seeing their 747 classics at BKK!

Will the MD-11's receive the new cabins?

Rob!

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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Will the MD-11's receive the new cabins?

I thought Thai was no longer operating the MD-11....

But good to see new services starting.



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

TG has announced these JNB services on many an occasion. The last time, I believe, was last year when they announced daily services with B744s after the acquisition of a couple of ex-UA airframes. We all know what happened to that project, and so, although the airline seems to be more committed to actually starting the operation, I will believe it when I see it.

I hope they're planning to so something on the MD11's interior before starting this service, though, because the state of these planes' fittings is abyssmal to say the very least. It was ok for a 3-hour CGK-BKK flight a couple of months ago, but I wouldn't wanna be stuck in there for a BKK-JNB overnight longhaul. However, I don't believe there's any plans to upgrade the MD11s, and if there were such projects planned, given the way things go at TG, very little would probable come of it. The refurbishment of the B744s and B777s interiors must by now be 2 years behind schedule...


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

the MD-11 is on its way out in favour of A340-500/600's and 777's

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 1):
I thought Thai was no longer operating the MD-11....

But good to see new services starting.

Yep, TG still operate 4 MD11's.
we get 5 services pw to MEL, and having travelled in the aircraft, I can confirm they are very ordinary.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
It was ok for a 3-hour CGK-BKK flight a couple of months ago, but I wouldn't wanna be stuck in there for a BKK-JNB overnight longhaul.

funnily enough the BKK-MEL sector is overnight!
BKK 00.15
MEL 12.05

far from ideal...


User currently offlineFlightLover From Moldova, joined Mar 2004, 344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

I would love to have the opportunity to fly the MD-11. For me it's one of those birds I just gotta get on. KLM flies them to CAI (4h 30min flight) so I might do that. It's enough time to get a good feeling of the plane.

User currently offlineQM001 From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Hi all,

It still amazes me that this route used to sustain a double daily. One operation by Varig to BKK from GIG/GRU via JNB and one SA Service in codeshare with TG, and now the best TG can offer is 4x per week.

I will obviously never understand why SA dropped this route. That flight was ALWAYS full.

Oh well.

QM001 (167 Air Malawi)



I wish there was still a flying boat service on the African Lakes!
User currently offlinePersotvik From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Hi there Smile

TG operate the MD11 to ATH, ZRH, BNE, MEL, AKL, HKG and on domestic sectors.

How long will the flighttime BKK-JNB be??



Just love flying
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting Persotvik (Reply 7):
How long will the flighttime BKK-JNB be??

MH operates KUL-JNB, flying time is 10h 35m and JNB-KUL is 10hrs so I image flight times will be similar from BKK!

Can anyone confirm wether the MD-11's will feature the new cabins?

Rob!


User currently offlineCXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):

The servcice is expected to start in December of this year and will be codeshared with SAA!

Oh, didn't Cathay threaten to cancel its codeshare with SAA if the South African carrier opt to cooperate with a Star airline, something that we are certain is happening sooner or later.

Guess that's it for the CX/SA partnership...



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3876 times:
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Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 9):
Oh, didn't Cathay threaten to cancel its codeshare with SAA if the South African carrier opt to cooperate with a Star airline, something that we are certain is happening sooner or later.

To me recollection TG codeshared with SA on the BKK route. Anyway, SA currently codeshares with CX and QF, as well as a bunch of other Star carriers like BD, LH, RG and SK.

Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineCXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):

To me recollection TG codeshared with SA on the BKK route.

SAA has not been flying to BKK for quite a while already. Now passengers have to connect their flights in HKG with CX.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
as well as a bunch of other Star carriers like BD, LH, RG and SK.

haha, my mistake, I was meant to say a Star airline in Asia. My impression was Cathay is quite weary of SA hooking up with SQ... :p



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User currently offlineZoom1018 From Taiwan, joined May 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting Persotvik (Reply 7):
TG operate the MD11 to ATH, ZRH, BNE, MEL, AKL, HKG and on domestic sectors.

TG has changed their equipment on BKK-BNE to 777 I think.

I have been on Thai's MD11... business class seats are old and IFE is terrible.


User currently offlinePersotvik From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting Zoom1018 (Reply 12):
I have been on Thai's MD11... business class seats are old and IFE is terrible.

Business Class seats are the same as on the B747-300/400. Pitch is 34" in economy class. First Class seats great. TG is not known to have a great IFE whatever aircraft you are flying.
Correct, B773 flies BKK-BNE Smile



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3755 times:
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Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 11):
SAA has not been flying to BKK for quite a while already

I'm quite aware of that mate. Note that I used the word "codeshared" in reply 10. No worries.

Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1087 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Oops, i heard from the other source that TG will use A340-600 on that routes!  Wink


Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting QM001 (Reply 6):
It still amazes me that this route used to sustain a double daily. One operation by Varig to BKK from GIG/GRU via JNB and one SA Service in codeshare with TG, and now the best TG can offer is 4x per week.

Don't forget that alot has changed since RG served the sector. EK and QR have grown substantially, and now have multiple services a day from JNB-BKK via DXB/DOH

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
Can anyone confirm wether the MD-11's will feature the new cabins?

Nope/ I think te MD's will be phased out in the next 2 years, and converted to freighters. therefore no new cabins.

Quoting Zoom1018 (Reply 12):
TG has changed their equipment on BKK-BNE to 777 I think.

Correct. B773 4pw, 1 terminator, and 3 that go on to AKL.


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