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HP/US To Fly PHX-HNL/OGG/LIH/KOA, SAN/LAS-HNL?  
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

There's an interesting route map in one of US's filings with the bankruptcy court, available at http://www.donlinrecano.net/dr201/mwc/04-13819/dk002160-0000.pdf.

It's labeled "When combined with US Airways, the operations of the two carriers would
create a nationwide low-cost carrier with a route structure as follows:
"

http://www.projectbarbell.com/images/routemap.new.jpg

It shows lines representing PHX-HNL/OGG/LIH/KOA and SAN/LAS-HNL. Now, admittedly, a good portion of the rest of the map is wrong. But it's interesting nonetheless.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

How could ANYBODY read that route map?


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User currently offlineJaybird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4369 times:
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If those are "present" lines - they could represent the codeshare with Hawaiian Airlines .. would be great if the new carrier does start service to Hawaii. Tho I'd think it would be out of PHX and/or LAS only .. I can't see them getting into the West Coast-Hawaii market ..

User currently offlineJaybird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4346 times:
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Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 1):
How could ANYBODY read that route map?

click on the map - it will enlarge ..


User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

That is probably not supposed to be available to the public.

User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

I would agree that it's showing the code-share with HA!!

I guess the 757 could make those routes feasable. More single aisle planes on long flights. GGGRRREEAATTTT!!!



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

It may have SAN-HNL but where is SAN-YVR, SAN-SJD & SAN-PVR? I dunno about this map.


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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3266 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

They don't even have PHX-SJO! Cheapskates!


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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

This map is very obscure. Half of America West Airlines routes are not listed, and the codes listed are two digit versus a standard three digit city code. In addition HNL/OGG/LIH/KOA may be shown as connecting options using America West Airlines codeshare with Hawaiian Airlines ala Honolul . They same for San Diego and Los Angeles and their connections from America West/America West Express. That or someone has an inside track to what the new airline is planning as far as reductions!


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 7):
They don't even have PHX-SJO! Cheapskates!

You could do PHX-FLL-SJO  Wink

Hawk44



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4229 times:
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almost looks like someone drew this up themselves!!!


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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

There is a line that goes from PHX to the lovely ocean somewhere between HNL and LIH.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 4):
That is probably not supposed to be available to the public.

It's a court filing in an open bankruptcy case. By its very nature, it is available to the public.


User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

This map is accurate and does not reflect a code share with HA...AWA is/was planning to go to various Hawaiian Islands beginning late this year or early next and now it will be as US Airways.

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

If this HP/US airline going to add all those flights to Hawaii, will they have enough capital to acquire to either lease or buy ETOPS-rated jets to add to their fleet right away? The only ETOPS they have are used on the US flights to/from Europe. Not sure if any of HP's 752s are ETOPS. In any case will the bankruptcy court allow this airline merger rapid expansion before it exits? They will have to also create an infrastructure at whichever airport they begin with. If they expand too fast, they might implode, and have a mega-collapse. Look back to the 80s, and what happened back then.

If they were smart (or at least wise), stick with the HA code-share.



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 13):
This map is accurate and does not reflect a code share with HA...AWA is/was planning to go to various Hawaiian Islands beginning late this year or early next and now it will be as US Airways.

Our regional manger came to see us yesterday and stated there is a new route map that shows our new Hawaii markets. This one is not it however, we have an official HP one floating around somewhere. Service is set to begin at the end of the year...either way, it will happen, merger or not.

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 14):
Not sure if any of HP's 752s are ETOPS. In

They are in the process of doing so...service is supposed to begin at the end of the year.


User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

AWA already has "3" ETOPS certified 757's ready to go but they will need more than that by early next year. US Airways has plenty of 757's but not sure if they are ETOPS certified (the 767's they have are as they presently fly to Europe). AWA can spend money to upgrade the 757's to ETOPS but the jury is still out on that decision. At any rate it is going to happen...merger or not.

User currently offlineSendMEtoLAS From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 66 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

I know that TZ is working hard to establish a stronger presence on the PHX-HNL and OGG flights. They also jumped at the opportunity to start LAS-HNL, competing with only HA for that route.
Don't be surprised if you see TZ adding frequency to theses routes as the US/HP merger gets closer to completion.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 14):
Not sure if any of HP's 752s are ETOPS

They could be made to be so with a little effort.

N


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3190 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Quoting SendMEtoLAS (Reply 17):
They also jumped at the opportunity to start LAS-HNL, competing with only HA for that route.

Not true. They also compete with Vacations Hawaii's chartered DC-10 flights operated by Omni. Air/hotel packages are a popular method of taking a Las Vegas vacation for many Hawaii residents.

David / ABQ


User currently offlinePhoenixX2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

If HA doesn't get it together with an AM PHX-OGG flight, US will serve that first. There goes the codeshare.

Are not the US's A321 now ETOPS with extra fuel tanks aft???

Still would like to know how many of US's 31 752s are ETOPS?

Please let me know.

Rgds


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

US Airways has plenty of 757's but not sure if they are ETOPS certified (the 767's they have are as they presently fly to Europe).

None of US's 757s (or A32X) are ETOPS, though most of the 757s, some of the A319s, and all of the A320s are EOW for Caribbean operations.

I'm not even convinced that US could fly the 767 to Hawaii right now. US had a few problems this past year (one engine shutdown too many) and had ETOPS 180 taken away for a while, so they were operating the Europe flights under ETOPS 138. I'm not sure if they're back to ETOPS 180 or not.



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