FlyBeQ400 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2800 times:
I was sitting on an FR flight on one of the new 738's back from BGY to NCL recently and trying to figure which costs FR could concievably cut to reduce their costs even further.
Here's what I came up with; see if you guys can do even better:
1) Charges for check in luggage. I only ever travel with a roll-on or backpack for short-haul; so why not charge extra for those passengers who prefer to travel with more items. Its not just weight, but check in staff, ground handling.
2) Print your own boarding card. Say Ryanair charges you an extra £5 and allows you to print your own boarding card (possible offer seat reservations in first 2 rows, for example?)
3) Check-in kiosks. Automated check in for pax with no luggage.
4) More ops from Luton instead of STN; unless STN goes back on their decision to increase fees and charges.
Anyone add to this? (P.s. please don't say 'they could charge for the toilets'... I've already thought of that!)
PADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2782 times:
Quoting FlyBeQ400 (Thread starter): 1) Charges for check in luggage. I only ever travel with a roll-on or backpack for short-haul; so why not charge extra for those passengers who prefer to travel with more items. Its not just weight, but check in staff, ground handling.
It has been in the press that Mr O'Leary has already been thinking about it.
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3201 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2738 times:
Quoting FlyBeQ400 (Thread starter): Charges for check in luggage. I only ever travel with a roll-on or backpack for short-haul; so why not charge extra for those passengers who prefer to travel with more items. Its not just weight, but check in staff, ground handling.
Would be quite okay. Now everybody's paying for the checked luggage of only few. Just pay for what you want. In the press, O'Leary also told of the possibility of giving cash at check-in to people traveling with hand-luggage only, as a reward. Cool
Easyjet is trying this on EMA and GVA. Even for pax with luggage, they have to wrap the tags themselves. According to Easyjet, it's only cheaper if you can remove all normal check-in desks. Having both options, like many major airlines do, only costs more.
Besides that, I don't know how much of the airport related costs are actually paid by Ryanair. It is known that they ask a lot from the airports that want to be serviced - don't the regions pay (a part of) the check-in desks, as it creates local employment?
KL911 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 5467 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
Pay for check-in luggage sounds good for me. Only if the base fare stays low, every thing else you pay for what you want. A guy with no luggage who checks in on a machine and doesn't order beer and food can fly for 99 cents.... ( like I always do, and I'm proud of it...It's so much fun to fly for free...)
ExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2679 times:
I think they've cut just about every cost they can, but there's room on the revenue side:
* Charge for using the reading light
* Buy a seatbelt (which you can bring on future flights) or pay 5 pounds to rent one
* And another 5 if you need the extender
* 99 pence fares, but now with a two-drink minimum
* If the FAs on your flight happen to be attractive, a 5 pound "entertainment fee"
* If they aren't, offer eyeshades for rent - 2 pounds
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
Not sure if it was in a previous thread, MOL has recently banned all staff in the DUB from using phone chargers, claiming that it will lead to cost savings. FR employees are also required to bring their own stationary to work.
I think that they should install LCDs in all newly delivered 738s, forcing passengers to view TV ads during taxi, aswell as ads on the overhead bins of course.
I always wonder why FR do not have more logojets????? Quite a few of the 732s were flying ads, but very few of the 738s.
Do FR planes taxi using both engines. I believe that Delta express used to taxi using only a single engine?
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2626 times:
Well MOL, here are my suggestions:
Make it a condition of carriage that all passengers must view the safety demonstration before every FR flight but have to pay £5 to see the film and another £5 if they want sound to accompany it. Have not seen the film? Sorry guys, you are not allowed on this flight!
You want the cabin crew to give the safety demonstration? That will be £10 each plus an extra £15 for the props – lifejacket, whistle, and oxygen mask.
Coin-operated toilets have already been suggested, but you also have to pay for toilet paper – 2 sheets @ £1.99. Soap and liquid to flush the toilet extra.
Remove all arm rests and charge a hire fee for any passenger who wants one. Double the revenue if they require two.
Overhead luggage bins available for hire only - £3.99 an hour and an excess penalty if not emptied before plane has landed.
Coin operated reading lights throughout – no central lighting will be switched on.
Corkage charge if you bring your own drinks – same price as in-flight tariff for drinks.
Need a landing card? That's £3.99 each. No pen? Biros available but only if you pay for them.
Before landing a collection box will be passed round and all passengers are required to leave a "tip" for the flight deck and cabin crew - minimum donation £10
And don't even think of recharging your mobile/Walkman using the aircraft's electrical supply.
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
Varies really. I think I read somewhere that 747s used to be able to shut 1 or 2 engines down if they were below a certain weight after landing - whether this principle applied to the 737 I don't know. Some Ryanair 737s do taxi on one engine - I flew FNI-STN at Easter and the no.2 engine was shut down immediately after leaving the runway at STN. Some taxi on two. It probably depends on the weight, and the mood the pilots are in.
A340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4107 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
On the subject of engine shutdown during taxi, on a recent flight on G-CPEM (Blue Peter c/s), Boeing 757-200, BA, the pilot shut down the number 2 engine after our arrival into LHR and we only taxied on number 1,
Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
Can this be a weight issue? Linoleum for home use (2,0 mm thickness) is already quite heavy. For buses and airports they use 9,0 or 10,0 mm thick floors, and I won't be surprised if it's way heavier than carpet.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13367 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2352 times:
I do think a modest charge for any checked luggage, as O'Lerary has already suggested and done on PeopleExpress back in the 80's would be a good idea, so long as a weight/size cap for carry ons (and not just on Ryanair, but also on majors!).
There could be a carry on limit similar to most airlines as to overall size and a cap of about 8 kgs. PE used to charge $3 USD per checkd suitcase (today that would probably be equal to $8 USD with inflation) On checked bags, they could charge according to length of flight perhaps by zones, number of bags and overall weight with overall limits as to total weight (20 kgs each bag/40 kgs total weight) and number of checked bags (2). Let's try something like this:
Zone 1 / Zone 2 / Zone 3 /
(up to 600 kms) / (601-1200 kms) / (1201 kms+)
up to 10 kms 10 Euros/15 Euros/20 Euros
up to 20 kms 15 Euros/20 Euros/25 Euros
With the extensive use of credit/debit cards, there could be miminal cash handling issues. More importantly, it would mean cheaper prices or holding of prices on fares for those who travel light.
Cschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2222 times:
Sell advertising space on the F/A's uniforms, like athletes? But I've never flown Ryan, so....do they even have F/A's?
Cost saving option on weight of uniforms....naked F/A's, or maybe just swimsuits?
Use of reading light would be free, but passenger has to rent the bulb before boarding. More weight.
Advertising in the lav...captive audience.
On the single engine taxi question...I've been on a Frontier A-319 that taxied to takeoff on one engine. Because of reduced power, an oil pump under the floor was working more. Made a lot of noise, had everyone kind of nervous.
FlyBeQ400 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2092 times:
I quite like the rip out carpet and put in lino idea. Save on cleaning costs and generally make the plane cleaner. I really can't understand the use of carpet in places like trains, buses, and busy pubs in the UK - strikes me as pretty gross!
What about seating - could the seats be made from leather/wipe clean plastic to save costs on cleaning?
As for advertising in the toilets; that strikes me as a great idea!
: What about BYO (Bring your own)? I am sure the deck chair is available to all, if not you can rent a deck chair before you board. Maybe a discount co
: Only problem is that you're not allowed to carry everything as hand luggage.....