Beauing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1963 times:
Quote: The security officials also worried that personal phone use could increase the risk of a remotely-controlled bomb being used to bring down an airliner.
At present personal cell phones and other communication devices must be switched off at takeoff, landing and for the duration of commercial flights because it could potentially interfere with the operation of the plane. http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...ewsml
Do they think terrorists are going not going to use their phones this way because it's against the rules? How stupid can you get?
Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 13323 posts, RR: 68 Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1899 times:
are they going to ban cell phones from planes? there is a difference between "vigilance" and "paranoia"
entries found for paranoia.
par·a·noi·a Audio pronunciation of "paranoia" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-noi)
n.
1. A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason.
2. Extreme, irrational distrust of others.
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entries found for vigilance.
vig·i·lance Audio pronunciation of "vigilance" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vj-lns)
n.
Alert watchfulness.
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Cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 728 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1890 times:
They should ban cell phones PERIOD!! Not because of any "so-called" security issues rather the people who use them are so F***ing annoying!!!! Maybe this topic was already covered but I'm new here so excuse me for bringing up an old topic.
Nothing can be more annoying than sitting inches away from a person and being forced to listen to their drivel....No subject and nobody is so important they have to yap on their cell phone while inflight.
If it takes turning it into a security measure to keep them turned off then I'm all for it!
PHLBOS From United States, joined Mar 2004, 5515 posts, RR: 27 Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1851 times:
If I'm not mistaken, the reason for the present ban on using cell phones while on planes (except when taxiing at the gate following a landing) was due to the signals interfering with communications from the air traffic control towers... at least that has been the explanation from the f/a's from several carriers.
I do agree w/Cgnnrw (welcome aboard BTW & yes, the cell phones on planes topic have been discussed several times) that the current cell phone ban on flights should remain; if nothing else to reduce the annoyance issues. On a train (where I've seen rampant cell phone abuse) one can at least walk to a connecting car; the same can not be said on an airplane.
[Edited 2005-05-27 22:19:29]
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 3757 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1845 times:
Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 3): They should ban cell phones PERIOD!! Not because of
It!
So how do you think this is going to work? You leave your cell phone in the office, go on a biz trip, can't be reached and cannot make a call, can't check your e-mails, so wh go on a biz trip in first place? Welcome to the stone age. I have a better solution for you, if you don't like cellphones declare your home a cellphone free area and stay there. Don't leave your 4 walls. Period.
If the TSA wants to destroy the US airline industry for good, go ahead with such ideas. On a conference in the US last week I heard about plans to hand search freight that rides in the bellies of passenger planes or tell passengers that there is freight in the bellies that has not been hand searched or otherwise checked. Great idea, that puts the end to belly cargo. I mean, after all, the US carriers are so cash rich that they don't need that extra revenue.
Paranoia - indeed.
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[Edited 2005-05-27 22:26:19]
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Goingboeing From United States, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1828 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5): So how do you think this is going to work? You leave your cell phone in the office, go on a biz trip, can't be reached and cannot make a call, can't check your e-mails, so wh go on a biz trip in first place? Welcome to the stone age.
I guess the stone age extended into the late 1980's. How'd we ever get business done back then? Remember phone booths? A lot of business used to get conducted there - and those of us who didn't wish to listen to the conversation just sat farther away from the bank of phones.
PHLBOS From United States, joined Mar 2004, 5515 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1808 times:
PanHAM,
I can't speak for Cgnnrw, but the cell phone ban/restriction I'm referring to (& which I support) is the one that's presently in place... at least in the States.
The basic rule is that all cell phones must be turned off from the time the cockpit door closes at the gate to the plane turns off the runway following the landing (where it is guided to the gate via the Ground traffic controller tower(s).
Basically it's a ban while in flight. If a person wants to use their cell phone prior to boarding or after the flight is over; I have no problem with that whatsoever.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
Ahlfors From Antigua And Barbuda, joined Oct 2000, 1268 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1798 times:
IF they ever allow cellphones, I say have a cellphone area and a non-cellphone area, like smoking and non-smoking used to be. Granted, you can't get rid of the noise totally, but being a few rows away is better than right next to. Oh and stick them all at the back.
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1788 times:
It's obvious you can't stop terrorists but can only do so much. Isn't there a point where you have to draw the line at what rules you impose on the population? You already have free speech thrown out the window, you can't take pictures anymore without being hassled, what next?
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 3757 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1791 times:
Quoting Goingboeing (Reply 6):
I guess the stone age extended into the late 1980's. How'd we ever get business done back then? Remember phone booths? A lot of business used to get conducted there - and those of us who didn't wish to listen to the conversation just sat farther away from the bank of phones.
I do remember that very well and I am glad that we are living in a world today where i can carry my office in a briefcase, can be reached in almost every civilized place on earth and make calls from there directing my business, can open my lap top and log into the internet.
Nobody needs a phone booth anymore or (and that is stone age up till today -in the last stone age country left in this world - the US of A ::: "operator assisted" overseas calls from your Hotel room., grossly overcharging with 10 bucks for three minutes where your roaming fee on the mobile does not reach 2$ for the same 2 or 3 mins. Who the f.. needs an operator to make a phone call accept in the US? An anachronysm.
No mate, cellphones and internet gives you freedom to handle your business wherever you are, I do not want to go back to the stone age 80s. No way.
And if the TSA does not want me to arry a switched off cellphone on a flight, then that's it.
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Cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 728 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1781 times:
Quoting PanHam "So how do you think this is going to work? You leave your cell phone in the office, go on a biz trip, can't be reached and cannot make a call, can't check your e-mails, so wh go on a biz trip in first place? Welcome to the stone age. I have a better solution for you, if you don't like cellphones declare your home a cellphone free area and stay there. Don't leave your 4 walls. Period."
Typical cell phone conversation "hi dear, yeah I'm on the plane, yeah, it's in the air, uh huh, yeah, its full today" Spare me please.....
Well, let's see if I'm not mistaken cell phones/emails became rather prevelant within the last 15 years. Hmm how on earth did biz travellers survive up to the early 1990s. Please don't feed me that crap about how important it is for biz travellers to be able read emails/make phone calls in mid-air.
Can't be reached? What is the biz traveller gonna do at 30,000ft ask the pilot to hurry up to catch that meeting? Any biz travellers out there who care to share their stories on how they saved that mult-billion $$ merger because they were able to call/email while in the air, please do tell.....
I never said not to take a cell phone on a biz trip just keep the DAMN thing turned off during the flight!!!
BTW I have a cell phone and I travel on business but I'm soo well organized I don't need to make calls or check emails while sitting in an enclosed environement with 150 other people.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 3757 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1779 times:
I believe the issue was taking cellphones on board of planes at all, not using them. I do know that the use is not allowed.
I also do know that,meanwhile the use in Europe, at least on BA and LH, is allowed until the doors close and tests have shown that there is no danger from using the things in flight as well. It will be OK as of 2006 in Eruope.
But that was not the issue here. And when the discussion goes from mid 80s to mid 90s - fyi the US was, about 5 years behind Europe in the application of that technology. The gap is closed meanwhile, more or less.
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Goingboeing From United States, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 26 Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1768 times:
Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 13):
Typical cell phone conversation "hi dear, yeah I'm on the plane, yeah, it's in the air, uh huh, yeah, its full today" Spare me please...
I read somewhere about a typical cell phone call on a flight...and that's exactly what it was "I'm putting my bag in the overhead bin, I'm sitting down in my seat". Then, when the plane lands and cell phones are allowed again, the number is dialed and the conversation resumes "we're pulling up to the gate...they turned off the seatbelt sign...I'm getting my bag from the overhead bin."
Kind of makes you wonder what they discuss in a toilet stall....
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1762 times:
I can't imagine a worse hell then to be stuck in a transcontinental flight with some self important person using the Nextel direct connect feature on their phone for 5 hours. You know who these idiots are, they're the ones walking through the mall using their phone as a speaker while they share their entire conversation with the public.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 3757 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1735 times:
@cgnnrw -
wel, I don't tell you how to run your business and you don't tell you how to run mine. When you don't need your cellphone all the time thhen that has to do with your type of business and not organisation. So don't give me that crap, please.
I was on a train from FRA to CGN the day b4 yesterday and I had to overhear a phone call and really didn't care to. But that's the price to pay for beeing more productive when on the road and a loud conversation is more annoying than a phone call, be it on a plane or a train. And you don't have that not only when going to PMI.
But again, that was not the issue, the issue was that the TSA might ban cellphones at all on board of planes, like they have banned butane lighters.
Your reaction was that of Pavlovs dogs. Sit down and relax. OK?
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Cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 728 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1724 times:
Boy this is really going somewhere....
I read the original thread and it seems the main issue is cell phone use during a flight. That I'm against for the reasons I posted earlier. Nor do I see it as an infringement on free speech.
Now, when the plane is boarding and everyone is taking their sweet ol' time getting settled in; okay, I'm willing to tolerate a bit of small talk... oops I mean important biz deals being made and when the plane is back on the ground and taking an enternity taxing to the gate, again a bit of power-lunch telephoning is okay.
CasInterest From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1177 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1696 times:
All that article indicates to me is that the morons that work in and about the US department of justice, are getting paid way to much to be that stupid about the terrorist implications. HELLO!!! IF they got the cell phone on the plane, what about being allowed to make a call in flight would prevent them from detonating a bomb?
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10181 posts, RR: 70 Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1671 times:
Quoting Beauing (Thread starter): Do they think terrorists are going not going to use their phones this way because it's against the rules? How stupid can you get?
These are government employees. Any stupider than that and they would need help feeding themselves.
Has airport security ever caught a professional terrorist? Ever?
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1593 times:
Im glad to know I wasnt the only to think they should be banned inflight just so that can be the one place on earth where we dont have to listen to annoying ring tones and loud conversation. The govmt worrying it might be used to set off a bomb inflight is bogus, if they wanted to do that you couldnt stop them. Best way to prevent that is to screen all the luggage in the hold as was the plan on 9/12/01. "Can you hear me now?....Good"
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13564 posts, RR: 68 Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1567 times:
Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 9): IF they ever allow cellphones, I say have a cellphone area and a non-cellphone area, like smoking and non-smoking used to be
Just like on many trains in Europe. Very good idea.
I guess the stone age extended into the late 1980's. How'd we ever get business done back then? Remember phone booths? A lot of business used to get conducted there - and those of us who didn't wish to listen to the conversation just sat farther away from the bank of phones.
I do remember that very well and I am glad that we are living in a world today where i can carry my office in a briefcase, can be reached in almost every civilized place on earth and make calls from there directing my business, can open my lap top and log into the internet.
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No mate, cellphones and internet gives you freedom to handle your business wherever you are, I do not want to go back to the stone age 80s. No way.
No kidding. My cell phone saves me hours and hours of work every week. Not that I get those hours off, mind you, I have to work more now than if this were 1985.
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Goingboeing From United States, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 26 Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1533 times:
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 23): No kidding. My cell phone saves me hours and hours of work every week. Not that I get those hours off, mind you, I have to work more now than if this were 1985.
I haven't missed a business deal yet because I was in my car driving to work without a cell phone.
Yes here in Switzerland some inter-city trains do have so called (translated) "silence cars". In there no cell phone calls and loud speaking is allowed.
26 Austinpowers: In all my years of flying, I have yet to hear ANY cell phone conversations in which anything of any great importance was being accomplished (such as a
27 777ER: When will the TSA announce a new law that makes passengers put their cellphones etc in their checked-in luggage?
28 Austinpowers: It's only a matter of time, 777ER. Yeah, I do think that cell phones really do not need to be taken on board aircraft, but at the same time, I really
29 777ER: Whatever happened to the Bill of Rights? Sadly there is now no such thing, same as human rights
30 FLY2LIM: Your theory (inaccurately) presumes that there is an equal (or lesser) number of cell phone users than non cell phone users. When it came to smoking,
31 Ikramerica: The bill of rights does not mention cell phones or airplanes last time I checked. when you buy a ticket, you enter into a CONTRACT of carriage. if you
32 Ahlfors: I would think that at least on flights over about 3 hours, eventually many people would prefer to give up their right to use their cell-phone in exch
33 DeltAirlines: This better not happen. Yes, I travel with my cell phone (only once in the last 5 years have I not travelled without it; and that was because I forgo
35 Access-Air: Hey guys, this is what we get for surrendering just one of our civil liberties for the sake of security....Im sorry but our government and all its STU
36 Lnglive1011yyz: Here we go again.... Before you know it, you won't be allowed to wear earings because they may contain an explosive. Or, you won't be able to wear you
37 Mir: From what I've heard, it actually has to do with the phones jamming up the cell towers due to the increased altitude putting them within line of sigh
38 Coronado990: Makes you wonder how many times the excuse of security is being used to eliminate personal peeves. Guilty as charged!
39 Jacobin777: Didn't the people of United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania use their cell phone to find out what happened and were able to prevent
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