Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2099 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10284 times:
''in the international airport "Vnukovo", practically immediately after its certification, took place the presentation of new aircraft that 204-300. On it together with the journalists were present the leaders of all enterprises and organizations, which participated in the financing, the design, the building of aircraft and for whom one must exploit him. New liner differ significantly from its fellows in the technical and economic characteristics. It is shorter than its prototype Tu-100 to 6 meters, for which the journalists had time to baptize by its "korotyshkoy".
Aircraft considerably exceeds all existing and future technical limitations, introduced ICAO. With the low takeoff weight it can be exploited from the airfields of class "in" up to the distance in 3000-3500 km. But there are thus far still very many such airfields in our country. Up to the great distances to 8500 km it will take off from the airfields of class "B". Thus it is possible to considerably enlarge the geography of its flights.
For the return on the voyage are necessary only of 78 passengers, while for Il-62 are necessary to 106, while for Il-300 140 passengers.
On the assertion of specialists the profitability of new aircraft in comparison with the domestic analogs by 18% is higher, payback period with the acting tariffs - 4-5 years.
Today aircraft Tu-300 with identification number Ra -64038 was transmitted to airline "Vladivostok by avias". This the first of four aircraft of such type, which will obtain the Far-Eastern company into the leasing from "Il'yushin Finans of company" general works manager "Aviastar- CP", where aircraft was built, it certified, that remaining three liners will be finished already in this year.
Assuming new domestic liner, general director "Vladivostok to avias" Victor Saybel' stated that with these aircraft it connects the large plans of the development of company.
In several hours after the completion of solemn presentation new aircraft took course on Vladivostok.''
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FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10248 times:
I know a lot of people say the 204 looks like a 757, but I'd say it looks more like an A321.
Anyway, good news for Tupolev.
I'm a ramblin' wreck from georgia tech and a helluva engineer
JohnA From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10223 times:
This is very exciting. I wish the airplane's
designers, promoters, manufacturers, subscribed
airlines, crews, passengers, mechanics and even
its financiers, Ilyushin finance, all the very best
with this new Tupelov.
Break a leg!
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DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11084 posts, RR: 91 Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10190 times:
GOOD LUCK! Tupolev and its partners should be able to sell this airplane if they can prove it is reliable and cost efficient, as well as be able to provide tech and parts support.
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2099 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10184 times:
''as well as be able to provide tech and parts support.''
That is the big stumbling block that russian aerospace companies will never overcome. even during the soviet days spare parts for foreign customers were difficult to get
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KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 8133 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10065 times:
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 18610 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10055 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 1): I know a lot of people say the 204 looks like a 757, but I'd say it looks more like an A321.
757 nose, but 321 body, IMHO.
nice large economy drop down LCDs, and nice first class personal video screens, too!
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Vasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9997 times:
I think this proves that the Russians are able to make planes that seriously rival the main western competitors! Now, some of those British charter airlines' 757s are getting rather old... a replacement perhaps!
Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9890 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 10): I think this proves that the Russians are able to make planes that seriously rival the main western competitors!
They know how to do it, just have to come out of their shell. If they try, they can be tough competitors. Their prices won't be high either, and AFAIK Russian machinery is quite rugged and easy to maintain...
rgds
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VirginFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2000, 4318 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9722 times:
Quoting Aseem (Reply 11): If they try, they can be tough competitors. Their prices won't be high either, and AFAIK Russian machinery is quite rugged and easy to maintain...
Thats all well and good, but the problem is a) can they guarantee production in numbers which an airline will want and b) can they guarantee ongoing technical support. Given the underfunded state of the Russian aviation industry, I think the answer to both questions would be no. Unfortunately for them, these factors tip the balance in favour of the western manufacturers, which of course creates a bit of a vicious circle, because if no one orders, then no money is going to come in to help them get out of the situation they are in. What is needed is a large order which will underwrite Russian civil aircraft production, but I seriously doubt whether there are any airlines who would both be in the position to place such an order, and willing to take the risk on it.
That's not to say there isn't a future for Russian civil aircraft production, but it is doubtless going to be a difficult road. Best of luck to them I say - it would be great to see them succeed.
V/F
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Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9716 times:
Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 12): What is needed is a large order which will underwrite Russian civil aircraft production, but I seriously doubt whether there are any airlines who would both be in the position to place such an order, and willing to take the risk on it.
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7708 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9345 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 10): think this proves that the Russians are able to make planes that seriously rival the main western competitors! Now, some of those British charter airlines' 757s are getting rather old... a replacement perhaps!
Ohhh, LCD screen and modern looking seats---ohhh! Welcome to 1995, Tupolev! Stop the orders to Boeing and Airbus! Give me a break, Russian aerospace will never be up to par with regards to commercial aerospace from Western Europe and the USA.
Aviadvigatel From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8932 times:
JCS17:
Have to disagree with you. Russian aerospace companies were at least on a par with their Western equivalents at one time, with the possible exception of their powerplants. The previous comments are spot-on regarding spares/maintenance back up, but one of the biggest deterrents to non-Soviet or CIS countries/satellites was the brutish, uneconomical, dirty and loud engines. Russian models were simply not designed to compete in other markets, because their makers didn't have to worry about operating economics in a command economy. I also don't judge the performance and comfort of an aircraft by looking at it's 3rd party interior fittings.
However, that said, I still love to hear the siren like sound of a Tu154A or B model upon start up, and play 'spot the 134' by its dirt trail!
PapaNovember From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 473 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8633 times:
Viscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7811 times:
Oh well - it gives the "My Boeing Right or Wrong" fraternity something else to get paranoid about!
It's certainly got an unusual look, but as long as its safe, reliable and economic to operate I wish the TU well. It looks comfortable enough in the cabin anyway. It would be good to see the once mighty, and always innovative, Russian/CIS aerospace industry build on any success that the new aircraft attracts and get back in the game after a long time trying to find direction again.
Biggles From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 459 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6362 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 17): Russian aerospace will never be up to par with regards to commercial aerospace
Russian aerospace is presently the only was to get to the International Space Station...
Russian heavylifters are are in big demand for outsize cargo such as oil rig equipment.
Large Russian helicopters are also popular in many parts of the world.
Don't be so quick to judge..
25 AirxLiban: I could look this up, but what is the range on this plane and in what sort of applications could it find a good home?
27 Mtnmanmakalu: Everything about it looks great, except for the Flight Attendant's hat!!! I agree it looks similar to the A319/320/321.... Would like to see it in per
28 JRadier: it's not based on anything (to darn lazy considering it's midnight here), but I believe it's designed as a replacement for the TU-154
29 Sterne82: No, it's more a replacement for the longer thinner haul routes (like the ones made by IL-62s). Rgds
30 N1120A: It is a dead copy of a 752, with an A321esque nose Actually, both
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