Mav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6780 times:
Before bashing AA's MD-80 fleet or their landing procedures, did anyone stop to consider that there might have been a mechanical issue with the airplane, such as ahydraulic failure or a nosewheel steering issue? It could be that the crew was skillful enough to avoid any damage or injuries. Let's stop armchair quarterbacking and wait for more information.
CBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6608 times:
Last I heard in the news over here in MSP was it was blown off the runway due to very high winds...Although I cannot confirm this due to me not being in the Denver area! Anyway if anyone in the Denver area can confirm if it was windy or not????
Saxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6372 times:
The pilots who took out the approach lights at DEN got their certificates taken by the FAA. The AA MD-80 fleet alone is the 4th largest airline in the US by the way. I'll ask my old boss about this one. I use to report all the incidents AA had to the fleet captains.
Nyskymasters From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5673 times:
Quoting Saxman66 (Reply 18): The pilots who took out the approach lights at DEN got their certificates taken by the FAA. The AA MD-80 fleet alone is the 4th largest airline in the US by the way. I'll ask my old boss about this one. I use to report all the incidents AA had to the fleet captains.
Out of curiosity, where did you get the information that both pilots lost their certificates. I personally don't have any information one way or the other about this. However, I find that hard to believe since AA was the first airline to put an ASAP program into place. I would bet that they both had to be put through additional training and a checkride before being put back on the line. But that is my guess. Any additional info would be appreciated.
LAX20531 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4363 times:
Quoting Mav75 (Reply 16): Before bashing AA's MD-80 fleet or their landing procedures, did anyone stop to consider that there might have been a mechanical issue with the airplane, such as ahydraulic failure or a nosewheel steering issue?
Good thing the a/c wasn't landing on a short runway then, like BUR. I flew DL's 752 into BUR .. now that's a fast stop!
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21310 posts, RR: 60 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4137 times:
As of Dec 31, AA had 354 operating MD-80s, of which 17 were in temporary storage. There are also 9 non-operating MD-80s hanging with 4 Fokker100s and 15 762s in the desert somewhere. The 354 MD-80s comprise nearly half of the AA fleet. The next likely plane to have incidents of the AA fleet is the 757, as they have 143, all in service.
So yes, if you hear about a problem at AA, it will likely be an MD-80, and considering the size of that fleet, there are no more or no less problems than any other airline, most likely.
PS - The 354 MD-80s are more than the entire mainline fleet of CO airlines, at 349 planes Year End 2004, with only 2 MD-80s, since retired.
[Edited 2005-05-30 02:43:25]
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 StevenUhl777: So it veered off the runway, but it didn't overrun it, correct? I think that's an important distinction to make here...
26 GentFromAlaska: Any chance there was outbound traffic either taking off or crossing the RW or possibly slow traffic landing ahead of them. I flew into SEA three weeks
27 Silver1SWA: Hmm...well I don't know, but I don't hear about WN 737s (and there is a fleet of over 400) over-running runways, or hitting approach lights etc. mult
28 Alitalia744: and that's why i enter every airline ticket purchase with the attitude I have - to never fly Sh*twest
29 Silver1SWA: Fair enough I suppose. I would, however, like to stress that I have nothing against AA or the MD-80. I just find it amazing that one aircraft type, a
30 Bennett123: Is DEN unusually narrow, what about crosswinds is DEN or the MD80 particularly prone.
31 ANCFlyer: Nope, not narrow . . . http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDEN And I'll make a guess that we see a lot of AA MD80s in various incidents because of the law
32 GentFromAlaska: In that DEN is the mile high city, if the Pena airport is a mile high, I seem to recall the Stapleton airport was. Could the human factor somehow of f