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AA Off Runway In DEN  
User currently offlineF9darol From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Just noticed here in DEN that an AA aircraft over ran runway 35-R?

Anyone with any other info?

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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4770 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8432 times:
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I'm going to take a wild guess here...MD-80?!?!?!  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

Where the hell did the pilots touchdown that they overran a TWELVE THOUSAND FOOT runway?!

User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2441 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

about 5 feet after they should have I'm guessing.........


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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8406 times:

I'm going to take a wild guess here...MD-80?!?!?!  Yeah sure

Certainly an ironic complaint from somebody who works for a one-type operator himself.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):
Where the hell did the pilots touchdown that they overran a TWELVE THOUSAND FOOT runway?!

Good question.

Should have had all of the room in the world to stop.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4770 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8378 times:
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Quoting DeltaSFO (Reply 4):
Certainly an ironic complaint from somebody who works for a one-type operator himself.

Or maybe I'm referring to the fact that seemingly every AA aircraft that is involved in runway incidents happens to be a MD-80. A few months ago it seemed there was one a week.

[Edited 2005-05-29 06:59:46]


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8343 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 3):
about 5 feet after they should have I'm guessing.........

Great response.

And in case anyone doesn't know, you will always find something you lost the last place you look for it as well as the last place you left it. Always.



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User currently offlineWorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

AA seems to go from one extreme to another. A couple of months back they took out some approach lights at DEN with an MD-80. It was probably the same guy and he over-compensated out fear of a repeat. Big grin

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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8286 times:
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Jesus it wasn't that long ago a AA MD-80 took the approach lights out at DEN...


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8234 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
And in case anyone doesn't know, you will always find something you lost the last place you look for it as well as the last place you left it. Always.

What if someone (besides the loser) moved it?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8226 times:

then you didn't lose (or misplace) it now, did you. someone took it.


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8146 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 6):
Or maybe I'm referring to the fact that seemingly every AA aircraft that is involved in runway incidents happens to be a MD-80.

Aren't the MD-80's the workhorse and more numerous aircraft in AA's fleet? I believe they have over 300. Seems kind of logical, if you ask me.



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User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8059 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
Aren't the MD-80's the workhorse and more numerous aircraft in AA's fleet? I believe they have over 300. Seems kind of logical, if you ask me.

Yes there are close to 335 of them I believe with more in storage that are soon to be taken out. I believe they have 30 something in storage so that is equal to at least 365 MD-80's. Wow!!


User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8014 times:

Well...getting this thread back on topic. Here's some info from the Denver Post - Local News Briefs (05/29/05):

No one injured after jet veers off runway

An American Airlines jet carrying 109 people veered off a runway during landing Saturday at Denver International Airport.

There were no injuries, nor was there damage to the MD-80 airplane, airport officials said.

Flight 1125, en route from Dallas, traveled off the runway for a "short distance" and then came to a stop, DIA spokesman Chuck Cannon said.

It had not been determined late Saturday why the plane veered off the runway, he said.

There was minimal damage to Runway 35-Right, resulting in a brief shutdown of the runway while the airliner was towed, Cannon said. Airport operations were not interrupted.


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User currently offline757223 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

Do you think there is some issue with AA's MD-80 landing procedure? It does seem like a lot of AA MD-80's have been in the news lately.


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User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

Before bashing AA's MD-80 fleet or their landing procedures, did anyone stop to consider that there might have been a mechanical issue with the airplane, such as ahydraulic failure or a nosewheel steering issue? It could be that the crew was skillful enough to avoid any damage or injuries. Let's stop armchair quarterbacking and wait for more information.

User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

Last I heard in the news over here in MSP was it was blown off the runway due to very high winds...Although I cannot confirm this due to me not being in the Denver area! Anyway if anyone in the Denver area can confirm if it was windy or not????


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User currently offlineSaxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

The pilots who took out the approach lights at DEN got their certificates taken by the FAA. The AA MD-80 fleet alone is the 4th largest airline in the US by the way. I'll ask my old boss about this one. I use to report all the incidents AA had to the fleet captains.

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User currently offlineLpmartineau From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

instead of bashing the airline, procedures or aiprlaines I would just like to say I am glad there where no injuries!

Luc


User currently offlineNyskymasters From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6219 times:

Quoting Saxman66 (Reply 18):
The pilots who took out the approach lights at DEN got their certificates taken by the FAA. The AA MD-80 fleet alone is the 4th largest airline in the US by the way. I'll ask my old boss about this one. I use to report all the incidents AA had to the fleet captains.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the information that both pilots lost their certificates. I personally don't have any information one way or the other about this. However, I find that hard to believe since AA was the first airline to put an ASAP program into place. I would bet that they both had to be put through additional training and a checkride before being put back on the line. But that is my guess. Any additional info would be appreciated.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6081 times:

Does anyone know if the plane possibly lost hydralic pressure and could not stop or steer? I won't rush to judgement until I see the report by the FAA.

User currently offlineLAX20531 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4909 times:
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Quoting Mav75 (Reply 16):
Before bashing AA's MD-80 fleet or their landing procedures, did anyone stop to consider that there might have been a mechanical issue with the airplane, such as ahydraulic failure or a nosewheel steering issue?

Good thing the a/c wasn't landing on a short runway then, like BUR. I flew DL's 752 into BUR .. now that's a fast stop!


User currently offlineCpsarras From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Recently there was an NWA DC-9 that lost hydraulic pressure and lost all nose wheel turning capabilities and hit an A-319:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/841968/L/

This could be similar failure, and if it was, it's a good thing the pilots managed to keep it straight and nobody was hurt.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

As of Dec 31, AA had 354 operating MD-80s, of which 17 were in temporary storage. There are also 9 non-operating MD-80s hanging with 4 Fokker100s and 15 762s in the desert somewhere. The 354 MD-80s comprise nearly half of the AA fleet. The next likely plane to have incidents of the AA fleet is the 757, as they have 143, all in service.

So yes, if you hear about a problem at AA, it will likely be an MD-80, and considering the size of that fleet, there are no more or no less problems than any other airline, most likely.

PS - The 354 MD-80s are more than the entire mainline fleet of CO airlines, at 349 planes Year End 2004, with only 2 MD-80s, since retired.     

[Edited 2005-05-30 02:43:25]


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25 StevenUhl777 : So it veered off the runway, but it didn't overrun it, correct? I think that's an important distinction to make here...
26 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : Any chance there was outbound traffic either taking off or crossing the RW or possibly slow traffic landing ahead of them. I flew into SEA three weeks
27 Silver1SWA : Hmm...well I don't know, but I don't hear about WN 737s (and there is a fleet of over 400) over-running runways, or hitting approach lights etc. mult
28 Post contains images Alitalia744 : and that's why i enter every airline ticket purchase with the attitude I have - to never fly Sh*twest
29 Silver1SWA : Fair enough I suppose. I would, however, like to stress that I have nothing against AA or the MD-80. I just find it amazing that one aircraft type, a
30 Bennett123 : Is DEN unusually narrow, what about crosswinds is DEN or the MD80 particularly prone.
31 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Nope, not narrow . . . http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDEN And I'll make a guess that we see a lot of AA MD80s in various incidents because of the law
32 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : In that DEN is the mile high city, if the Pena airport is a mile high, I seem to recall the Stapleton airport was. Could the human factor somehow of f
33 Pilottim747 : KDEN 292153Z 09008KT 10SM OVC024 12/06 A3006 RMK AO2 RAE03 SLP142 P0000 T01170056 KDEN 292253Z 13007KT 10SM OVC024 12/06 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP137 T011700
34 Galapagapop : Not to mention that with the bases AA has their MD-80's at they don't do flights more than 3 hours so more flights by and MD-80 than a 757 so the odd
35 Silver1SWA : You guys are stuck within the context of AA. Alright, I think we have a good enough understanding why MD-80s are the probable aircraft when AA has an
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