AC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6070 times:
With Air Canada having just recently ordered the 787's and 777's for there widebody fleet, beginning to recieve its EMB-190's and new CRJ-705's for its narrowbody fleet, and its plans to have PTV's for every seat for these new planes and all current planes in the fleet(not sure about some of the buses) is Air Canada lining itself up to be one of the top airlines in the world in terms of product and service? With such good planes in its future, service which has been getting better, and an extensive internation network that is still growing isnt it fair to assume that Air Canada will be on par to most of the European airlines and maybe even close to some of the Asian carriers? What's everyones thoughts?
MotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2222 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6038 times:
I think it's great that AC and NZ, STAR Aliance partners have both decided to invest in the same fleets (over 100 pax).
Both are looking buoyant and bullish toward the future. Both are flag carriers from succesful non-aggressive Western nations.
There are other parallels and I think you're right AC787, AC's past it's point of consolidation and, particularly with economic instability south of its border, looking good.
AC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6021 times:
Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 1): I think it's great that AC and NZ, STAR Aliance partners have both decided to invest in the same fleets (over 100 pax).
Thats another plus for AC, and NZ, there strong alliance... hopefully with there new fleets one of them will start YVR-AKL service, I'd be happy if that was by next summer as I'm planning to go to AKL and bypassing LAX for a great airport such as Vancouver would be excellent.
Wdleiser From United States, joined Apr 2004, 904 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5953 times:
Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 1): Both are looking buoyant and bullish toward the future. Both are flag carriers from successful non-aggressive Western nations.
Isn't New Zealand an eastern Country?
Aside from that I think they are both making very smart decisions in their business plans.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4945 posts, RR: 48 Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5951 times:
I believe there is a lot of potential for AC due to the fact that it will have a very young fleet, PTV's and a strong network to Europe, Asia and the Americas. In addition, as long as U.S. hubs remain bothersome connecting points, Canada could lure Latin American passengers flying across the north Pacific or across the north Atlantic.
With the right fares and competitive in-cabin service (i.e., seat pitch, IFE, food & beverages), I would not hesitate to fly MEX-YYZ-Europe in the future. Of course I am assuming YYZ is connection-friendly.
KC135TopBoom From United States, joined Jan 2005, 7435 posts, RR: 50 Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5945 times:
Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 1): Both are flag carriers from succesful non-aggressive Western nations.
???????????? What does that suppose to mean?
Back on topic: Yes, I think AC is well on their way to becoming one of the worlds top airlines.
Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5911 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5): I believe there is a lot of potential for AC due to the fact that it will have a very young fleet, PTV's
they badly need PTVs, i flew their YYZ-DEL 14hr direct flight and their A343 didn't have PTVs, but those CRT monitors dropping to provide entertainment.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5): I would not hesitate to fly MEX-YYZ-Europe in the future. Of course I am assuming YYZ is connection-friendly.
Won't it be too long to fly first to YYZ from MEX, and the over to Europe. Aren't here any convenient direct flights to Europe.
The connectivity at YYZ is good, and if you're flying Star Alliance you don't have to change terminal. Even changing is not an hassle.
rgds
VT-ASJ
Avek00 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 3246 posts, RR: 21 Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5909 times:
Quoting Keesje (Reply 3): I don´t believe in miracles : where did the pile of money come from to pay the depts & invest hugely, is it public information? links?
The money came from its reorganization. The CCAA filing allowed AC to clean up its finances and also adust its operations to compete effectively against both domestic LCCs and foreign longhaul carriers.
[Edited 2005-05-29 19:48:25]
Thank you for choosing Continental Airlines, a member of the Star Alliance network.
AC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5891 times:
When Toronto's airport expansion is completley finished it will be a great place to connect. The only obstacle being the high rents as discussed in several threads this week. Air Canada is lucky to have such good airports for its hubs, Vancouver in my opinion is one of the best airports in NA not to mention that Dorval isnt to bad, and YYZ should be very efficient when completley upgraded.
MotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2222 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5882 times:
Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 4): Isn't New Zealand an eastern Country?
Yes you're right, New Zealand is an eastern country (as far east as one can get), but it's also a Western country (if you get the distinction).
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6): ???????????? What does that suppose to mean?
I'm meaning that AC and NZ seldom lose custom because people don't like the politics of the countries they carry flags for. It wasn't a random decision to fly UA & AA planes into those very august towers in NYC was it? Airlines, like sports teams are national icons and ambassadors.
Avek00 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 3246 posts, RR: 21 Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5862 times:
Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 11): Airlines, like sports teams are national icons and ambassadors.
Given that AC was in bankruptcy not too long ago, NZ is a losing cause, and BOTH carriers continue to suffer from govt. over-regulation, let's not go there in this thread....
Thank you for choosing Continental Airlines, a member of the Star Alliance network.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5840 times:
Quoting AC787 (Thread starter): is Air Canada lining itself up to be one of the top airlines in the world in terms of product and service?
Air Canada is already one of the top airlines in terms of product and service. Other than the infrequent low yield PTV craving econo-crowd, its hard to find anyone who has a bad thing to say about Air Canada's product offerings in either ExecutiveFirst or Hospitality
Shortly ago AC was bankrupt & selling 747-400s for cash.
Since then competitors stood up.
I don´t believe in miracles : where did the pile of money come from to pay the depts & invest hugely, is it public information? links?
No miracles here, just a lack of factual info on your end. AC was never in dire enough of a position to have to sell the 744s "for cash", rather they were scheduled to be retired due to the inefficient fleet size (3 examples, only).
AC emerged from bankrupcty in October 2004, with virtually all of its debt re-organized/eliminated. Additionally, new lines of credit were given, and new investors put some new money into the company. Employee groups made some tough concessions, reducing costs further. User friendly and streamlined fares have been introduced, which have been generally successful. They have introduced a very popular "city pass" ticket book, which allows 10 or 20 one way segments between two cities. New flights to South America and Latin America are proving to be an excellent way to re-allocate 319s and 320s to routes more appropriate than the saturated trans-border market (which will continue when the 705s and EMBs arrive). Finally, Canada signed new agreements with China and India allowing for more, new non-stop flights, important for growth. Though as any a.netter will tell you, the REAL reason behind the turn around is the new colour scheme!
I don't have the exact numbers off the top of my head, but check out the press releases from AC in the past 8 months and you'll find your proof that indeed no "miracle" has happened.
AC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5818 times:
Quoting B747-437B (Reply 15): Air Canada is already one of the top airlines in terms of product and service. Other than the infrequent low yield PTV craving econo-crowd, its hard to find anyone who has a bad thing to say about Air Canada's product offerings in either ExecutiveFirst or Hospitality
I agree with you but AC isnt usually considered in the same league with some of the top notch airlines as British Airways, Air France in Europe and Cathay, Singapore, and Qantas in the Pacific, with all its upcoming improvements I was asking if AC would rlly become one of the TOP players.
MotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2222 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5803 times:
Quoting Avek00 (Reply 13): let's not go there in this thread....
but you just took it there... and your expertise on aviation regulation comes from where? New Zealand has one of the most free-market skies in the world, I suggest you're speaking out yer a#@!
Both companies are making very succesful come-backs from the brink of extinction - NZ with consecutive and improving profits (don't know about AC).
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4945 posts, RR: 48 Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5779 times:
Quoting Aseem (Reply 8): Won't it be too long to fly first to YYZ from MEX, and the over to Europe. Aren't here any convenient direct flights to Europe.
Well, there are many. AF and IB have 11 weekly flights to MEX. LH and KL have daily flights to MEX. BA has 4x weekly service from LHR. And AM flies 11x weekly to MAD and 7x weekly to CDG. The thing is that during the summer season the fares are really high no matter which airline you choose and sometimes it is difficult to find a seat. In the past, a large number of Mexicans actually flew AC via YYZ to MAD because of good connection times at YYZ and friendlier fares. Besides, there are many major cities in Europe that are not accessible from MEX non-stop.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5746 times:
Quoting AC787 (Reply 17): AC isnt usually considered in the same league with some of the top notch airlines as British Airways, Air France in Europe and Cathay, Singapore, and Qantas in the Pacific
Thats true. Air Canada's service standards are far superior to all those mentioned with the possible exception of Singapore Airlines.
I was expecting a big difference between the distance traveled by flight via YYZ as compare to direct flight. And to my surprise, it isn't much. YYZ indeed is a good option. Here is the comparison
For MEX-YYZ-MAD http://tinyurl.com/7e39n
and for MEX-MAD direct http://tinyurl.com/7smo7
rgds
VT-ASJ
AC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5671 times:
Quoting B747-437B (Reply 20): Thats true. Air Canada's service standards are far superior to all those mentioned with the possible exception of Singapore Airlines.
Its nice to see someone who really has that much praise for AC's product. I think AC is great but compared to most of the asian carriers theres still work to be done, and luckily it looks like there headed in the right direction
Texdravid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5634 times:
They are flying smart.
Domestically, and to the U.S., they are flying economical Canadairs that have lower fuel cost, are easier to fill and cost less to staff.
Internationally, they are using Canada's and especially Toronto's multi-ethnic population to an advantage flying new, lucrative routes to Asia and Europe. When the 787's and 777LR's arrive, it will become even more lucrative with the fuel savings.
Finally, the tough immigration, fingerprinting, and customs policies of the U.S. are helping Latin/South America traffic to Europe as Euro's and Latins want to avoid MIA/NYC connections if possible.
AC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5627 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 23): Interesting comparison Aseem. Thanks for the links. This is a good argument for AC to promote itself as an alternative for flights from MEX to Europe.
Does AC even go daily into MEX from YYZ. I think they only go 3-4 days a week, and generally route ppl through Chicago or on the mexicana flight from YYZ, for AC to market itself effectively to MExico-Europe flights that would have to change.
26 Avek00: I suggest it is YOU who needs to reconsider your position - last time I checked, the NZ Government has directly propped up ANZ on at least one occasi
27 EddieDude: I may be wrong but I think that AC flies daily between YYZ and MEX (AC flight AC 0993). And while MX uses A319's & A318's for this route, AC tends to
28 AC787: If the US had only one national carrier, it would never be allowed to be "subjected" to free market forces. Of course New Zealand would help its nati
29 Accargo: AC currently flies daily with 767 equipment to MEX. The service may be downguaged to airbus narrowbodies for the summer, but will continue daily.
30 United Airline: GREAT future ahead. Young fleet, new ideas etc..... Hope they can lower their cost and post a profit soon
31 AirbusfanYYZ: Didn't the US govt. "prop up" US, and UA etc? What would you call that? Well said Sean! With well over 100 trips flown with AC I can attest to their
32 EnviroTO: When Toronto's T1-New is complete and the PTVs are installed AC will be well positioned for all but the first class traveller. With no first class at
33 CXYYZ: AC certainly is heading in the right direction. They're building their maintenance division, they're expanding Aeroplan and they're (finally) upgradin
34 MartinairYYZ: I just laughed looking at the topic.... the many people in the Canadian public (does not include aviation freaks/canadiana patriots) have very similar
37 ACdreamliner: Hey All, this was the post that finally made me join! I just wanted to say i agree that AC is THEE airline for the future. My username here says it al
38 YYZatcboy: I read in the National Post that AC is also expanding it's cargo Ops, and will be buying new planes for Cargo Only.
39 Bushpilot: I think one factor AC has going for them is the exchange rate with the states. In 2001 I flew AC YVR-HNL-SYD, I wasnt particularly impressed with the
40 Zkojh: AC and NZ both on the road to long living, and great ideas comming from both CEO's , lots of thinking gone on here ! lol, I would like either AC or NZ
41 Aseem: yes they are expected to be launch customers for B777 freighter version. rgds VT-ASJ
42 Accargo: Yep, record load factors for 13 months because "many" people in Canada agree with you. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant. eh?
43 CXYYZ: Sorry. Actual construction is slated to start next year, the planning work is well underway. My mistake as my previous post was misleading. I'm not s
44 AC787: I would be on that flight in a hearbeat, would beat connecting in LAX or SFO, SFO wouldnt be bad though. Sadly I don't think will see a AKL-YVR fligh
45 Cessnapimp: Hey AC787... if I'm not mistaken, Bangkok will be starting within a year or so.
46 Ba777-236: Well they got me hooked I can tell you! A couple of years ago (especially after the take over of Canadian) I hated AC very much, and honestly was hap
47 9ETRNG: Air Canada Rocks!! Go Big Red, hope to fly for them one day.
48 JGPH1A: Shouldn't that be "Go Big Minty-Green ?"
49 B787: I'm flying both next month to YYZ via AKL and LAX from Mel. So it will be great to see if you're all right. I'm flying AC on three legs all on 320/31
50 ACdreamliner: Would agree about YVR and YYZ, however dorval left alot to be desired, especially when i was over at the WS gate area last year. Very shabby...
51 ACdreamliner: The new livery is much nicer also don't you think? For sure gives it the Ice Cool image it was designed for. One of the nicest up there, along with B
52 DOC: A/C is one of the best airline in the world, after the asians company.
53 ACdreamliner: er, yes they did, with $6b of your tax $. Subsidies and tax rebaits. AC did not get ANY support from Ottawa
54 AFinMIA: I recently took a flight from here (Florida) to Hawaii , and believe it or not I took Air Canada. Service was very similar to United States Legacy car
55 Fubar37: Here is some more info on the Rail link Blue 22 and the people that are upset about it. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&taco
56 AFinMIA: Not to keep going on, but I would like to see Air Canada make more headway in the U.S. market....
57 AC787: I haven't heard anything about that service. Would be from YVR cause I don't think theyd have the equipment for a YYZ-BKK flight. I dont think its ha
58 TonyF734: I've always thought of Air Canada (AC) as one of the "best" airlines in the world...I've always had "great" service on all flights...and with the new
59 ACdreamliner: Not possible when they get the 772LR?
60 Accargo: It's certainly possible but unlikely as there isn't enough traffic to warant a non-stop from YYZ. Even when all the new acft come online, the decidin
61 Sebring: I'm not reading this whole thread, so apologies to anyone who has said anything like this. I'm a big AC booster, but let's be realistic. The economics
62 AC787: With new Long range and smaller aircraft don't you think its possible for AC to take more of the US market away from AMS or FRA in years to come. I'm
63 Sebring: With new long-range aircraft virtually any city pair will be available on a nonstop basis. Yes, this will certainly affect the European carriers who h
64 CayMan: That seems to be a sound statement. However, should that not be even more applicable to Australia than Canada, Australia being a smaller country by p
65 SQuared: I agree this probably isn't going to happen anytime soon. I am pretty sure flights to BKK from Canada would be pretty low yielding. Although connecti
66 Sebring: I think you'll agree that the Australian situation is unique in that it does not border on the US or Western Europe. Large number of people travel to
67 SQuared: Australia, is really far away from most places (yes I know I'm being obvious), especially if we're talking about the East Coast of Australia where mo
68 AC787: Do Austrialians travel alot more then Canadians do per capita? I wouldn't think itd be that big of a difference considering how often Canadians trave
69 EnviroTO: But Canada is in between US/Mexico and Europe and in between US/Mexico/South America and Asia... I think that location combined with more involved cu
70 SQuared: Canadians travel a lot, but I don't think nearly as much as Australians do on long-haul. Canadians tend to travel to the USA, to the Caribbean, and t
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