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So What's Going To Happen To UA After Tuesday?  
User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9049 times:

Word around SF Bay Area is book away from UA until the outcome is determined from the current management/mechanic situation, what do you think is going to happen, and how is that going to impact UA post Tuesday, 5/31/05? I don't see how they can afford a strike, the SF Chronicle has had a blind (meaning no employer identified) with a 650 area code fax number looking for licensed a&p mechanics, it may be conincidental, however....

Opinions and thoughts?

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User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9008 times:

Why should you not book on UA. So lets see you buy a ticket on UA and then there is a strike no big deal you get rerouted to another Airline. Why stay away from an airline just because there is a hint of a strike. I remember when our Pilots went on strike back in 98 all I did was reroute psgrs to DL, AA. TWA and all the other carriers that took our ticket stock. I even think WN took our ticket stock during the Pilots strike. So I wouldn't worry about booking on UA.


I don't care who you fly just as long as you fly
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 989 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8976 times:

If you purchase with a credit card, I thought you weren't liable to pay for services you do not recieve. In other words, if you buy with a Visa a week in advance and UA goes bust the day of your flight, you can be fully refunded?

I doubt a strike at a single station could bring down UA, but it would be devestating nonetheless


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
Why should you not book on UA. So lets see you buy a ticket on UA and then there is a strike no big deal you get rerouted to another Airline.

Let's not forget we are entering the very busy summer travel seasons. Planes are going out full as is.

AAndrew


User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

I doubt there will be a strike on Tuesday, but I to am interested in what's going to happen when the Judge Rules this week.


I don't care who you fly just as long as you fly
User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8954 times:

Quoting Aeroman62 (Thread starter):
the SF Chronicle has had a blind (meaning no employer identified) with a 650 area code fax number looking for licensed a&p mechanics, it may be conincidental, however....

The search for A/P mechanics I think is for NWA.

I don't know what to think...I am, perhaps cautiously optimistic, that an agreement will be reached in time, and the judge will accept that. But, that's for the IAM only. Remember, the AMFA will announce the vote result for their tentative agreement on 5/31 as well, and that will be interesting to see how that plays out, and how it will affect the judge's decision.

With all the publicity of a strike by either or both unions, the judge certainly must be aware that a strike by either for even a short period of time would be ruinous for United, and for now, it's his job to protect the interests of the creditors to see United remain in business. It's also highly unfortunate (though understandable) that people are booking away from UA, especially during the summer, which even if there is a settlement, could still be very harmful anyway, as the summer is the 'high' season for revenues.

United could have avoided all this by working harder at negotiations earlier this year, but that didn't happen. Now, their backs are against a wall, and who knows how it will turn out. I don't believe any worker WANTS to strike, but feel they have nothing to lose at this point, and don't care if they pull the plug on the roller coaster ride that has made them sick over the last 10 years or so.

20 years ago, United pilots were on strike for nearly a month, and the rest of the employees were put in a tough spot. 20 years later, it's the non-pilots that are ready to pull the plug, and the pilots would be left holding the bag with the most to lose. How ironic...it's a vicious circle, isn't it?

The airline industry may be very different a week from now, folks...if not sooner.

[Edited 2005-05-30 04:23:06]

User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8905 times:

Well said 777. Everyone has been so interested in UA and US that they haven't thought to look at the other Legacies. I mean look at NW we are falling apart fast with the Mech. andthe Cleaners and now with us CSA and ESE who haven't had a Contract since '03 . NW has kina lucked out by UA being in the News everyday and shadowing our own problems.


I don't care who you fly just as long as you fly
User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8861 times:

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 6):
NW has kina lucked out by UA being in the News everyday and shadowing our own problems.

If the UA situation is resolved (relatively) peacefully, i.e. no strike, then all eyes on NW. NW can't exactly afford a protracted strike, either...I can't imagine morale there (or at any legacy) is on cloud nine by any means.


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8850 times:

the same thing that happened last time a thread like this was posted

User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8838 times:

In my work group it's not as bad as say the Mech/Cleaners. I mean we have already gone thru the lay offs. I know non of us want to take a pay cut but I think we might not have a choice if we keep losing More Money.


I don't care who you fly just as long as you fly
User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8811 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 8):
the same thing that happened last time a thread like this was posted

No strike. I sure hope that happens. I don't want to see ANY airline strike, for that matter.

Seems like musical chairs on a very grand stage...which airline on the brink will blink first... Sad


User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

Here we go again. Another SPECULATION thread regarding United and what will occur. Why don't we just sit tight and see what happens??? All these about United have no productive outcome. As for what will happen after Tuesday....we'll all find out on Wednesday and days after that.

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 11):
Here we go again. Another SPECULATION thread regarding United and what will occur. Why don't we just sit tight and see what happens??? All these about United have no productive outcome. As for what will happen after Tuesday....we'll all find out on Wednesday and days after that

The most intelligent reply yet.... Wink


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12123 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8368 times:
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Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
If you purchase with a credit card, I thought you weren't liable to pay for services you do not recieve. In other words, if you buy with a Visa a week in advance and UA goes bust the day of your flight, you can be fully refunded?

I doubt a strike at a single station could bring down UA, but it would be devestating nonetheless

Keep in mind that if you purchase your ticket far in advance and pay off the charge then the credit card refund is not a sure thing!



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8272 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 13):
Keep in mind that if you purchase your ticket far in advance and pay off the charge then the credit card refund is not a sure thing!

In fact, you are SOL. I bought my UA tickets three months ago, used VISA, paid it off. I'll get nada from VISA if UA collapses, and my flight is June 8. If the company is still in business, they'll try to put us on another airline. But if they are out of business and in liquidation -- which I suspect is much more likely -- then I'm completely on my own.

I called UA last week and asked them what their plans were in the event of a strike. They fobbed me off with a "don't believe everything you read in the media, no one is talking strike." That really pi**ed me off. It's one thing to try to be optimistic, another to insult my intelligence.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineF9HNLPLZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8246 times:

Let's try and keep a positive attitude here. I am sure something will work out. No one wants a strike. IAM realizes that its members would hurt if they did. The workers realize this. We will see something happen that will take care of all.


Frontier Airlines, A Whole Different Animal. Maybe some day to Hawaii???
User currently offlineAFinMIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

We all know nothing is going to happen. As much much as I detest the Bankruptcy Judge for what he did, nothing will happen. United will be flying for many days to come,and as an enthusiast....... I gotta say our skies would be all the less without UA.

User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

Holding my breath... gasp 

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4406 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7109 times:

Quoting F9HNLPLZ (Reply 15):
Let's try and keep a positive attitude here.

I am keeping a positive attitude, which is why I'm hoping to hell that the contracts get tossed, the IAMers walk, and the financial clusterf!ck known as United Airlines gets grounded for good by Friday.



Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineAlgoz From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7057 times:

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 18):
I am keeping a positive attitude, which is why I'm hoping to hell that the contracts get tossed, the IAMers walk, and the financial clusterf!ck known as United Airlines gets grounded for good by Friday.

Thank you for your valued support. It's people like you that we don't want on United in the first place. Do us all a favour and fly the competition.
From a very grateful employee........


User currently offlineF9HNLPLZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 18):
I am keeping a positive attitude, which is why I'm hoping to hell that the contracts get tossed, the IAMers walk, and the financial clusterf!ck known as United Airlines gets grounded for good by Friday

 hissyfit 

You should never wish 60,000 people to loose their jobs. It would be the same if someone wished Independence Air to shut its doors. You and Kahala should go bowling. Stop being a  butthead  and hope they work this out. That little company Independence Air would not be where it is today if UAL had no had them working of them on the Express routes.



Frontier Airlines, A Whole Different Animal. Maybe some day to Hawaii???
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7024 times:

Quoting F9HNLPLZ (Reply 20):
It would be the same if someone wished Independence Air to shut its doors.

I DO wish Independence Air shuts its doors. I also wish, however, that everybody got a new job at double the pay for less work with the exception of Kerry Skeen.



Burma's constitutional referendum options: A. Yes, B. Go to Insein Prison!
User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4406 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6830 times:

Quoting Algoz (Reply 19):
Do us all a favour and fly the competition.

As a CO Silver Elite, I DO fly United's competition. So do many former UA premium customers, btw - hence the company's current financial difficulties.



Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 6507 times:

I was talking to a friend of mine that flies for AA. He doesn't see how the bankruptcy can't rule in UA's favor. He also can't see UA agreeing to put money in the IAM pension plan, rather than creating a 401(k) plan for IAM members.

In other words, there will be a strike.

Then the question becomes for how long? President Clinton sent AA's pilots back to work after 20 minutes. My friend thinks President Bush will do the same.

But the problem is that this isn't a normal situation. The RLA doesn't have any provision regarding a bankruptcy judge changing contract terms pursuant to a motion from management.

In theory, a federal judge could declare that the RLA isn't applicable, so the President's authority doesn't extend to this dispute. That doesn't mean that President Bush won't try to find another federal law to send the IAM back to work. I'm sure federal lawyers will be looking to see if Taft-Hartley could be applicable.

In any case, UA and IAM lawyers will be running around the Dirksen Building in Chicago tomorrow, and airlines at major UA locations, particularly SFO, LAX, DEN, ORD, IAD, and JFK, will be preparing to handle UA passengers who want to swich or are forced to switch.

If UA does go on strike, the delays at ORD will decline.


User currently offlineF9HNLPLZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 6378 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 23):
Then the question becomes for how long? President Clinton sent AA's pilots back to work after 20 minutes. My friend thinks President Bush will do the same.

But the problem is that this isn't a normal situation. The RLA doesn't have any provision regarding a bankruptcy judge changing contract terms pursuant to a motion from management.

In theory, a federal judge could declare that the RLA isn't applicable, so the President's authority doesn't extend to this dispute. That doesn't mean that President Bush won't try to find another federal law to send the IAM back to work. I'm sure federal lawyers will be looking to see if Taft-Hartley could be applicable.

This is most likely what will happen if there is a strike. The IAM will not be able to handle lawsuits from creditors which is exactly what will happen if the strike does drag on.



Frontier Airlines, A Whole Different Animal. Maybe some day to Hawaii???
25 Ckfred : F9HLNPLZ: You present an interesting legal theory. I know there were class action suits against the APA, when AA's pilots called for the sick-out over
26 Post contains images ASMD80 : Wait! We actually need the competition! UA helps keep prices down on our competitiors. Higher ticket prices are a result of there only being one or t
27 Avek00 : The thing is, most of the law regarding airline labor assumes a binding contract previously agreed to by the parties is in effect. An abrogation by t
28 BH346 : It looks like the IAM is back for negotiations in Chicago. The ruling is set for 1:30 CDT tomorrow. There's also the AMFA vote tomorrow as well.
29 Baw716 : God, can't these people just calm down...I'm writing the alternative business plan as fast as I can and I WILL get it in front of the judge. I have fo
30 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : I think you're being a bit sensationalist...what is this based on? Do you have information that we don't? Care to elaborate? And you honestly believe
31 Avek00 : The mechanics are not the ones threatening to strike. UAL management is doing no such thing - any future action taken by the company, INCLUDING LIQUI
32 Jmc1975 : Perhaps this will give HP/US the oppotunity to acquire UA's 319/320 aircraft, therefore accelerating the retirement of the 733/734, and increasing fle
33 Avek00 : With all due respect, even if you do get an irate creditor to support your proposal and file a motion to end the POR exclusivity period, you'd need t
34 Post contains images Kahala777 : No Big Deal????? You need to visit the United States more often. Memorial Day weekend is the kick off for the summer travel season. Most of the airli
35 StevenUhl777 : But Kahala......in "The Next 24 Hours at UAL" thread, you posted THIS: So if what you say is true in the first quote about there not being any extra
36 Kahala777 : StevenUhl777, First, you need to put on a pair of reading glasses. Next, let us now discuss the above topic. I like how you attempted to turn my word
37 JpetekYXMD80 : That is right up there with the all time moronic statements of Airliners.net. Congratulations.
38 Kahala777 : Proof that it is not true??? I will be waiting! Regards - Kahala777
39 JpetekYXMD80 : You mean prove? Bankruptcy is a common word to the VAST majority of people. I, of course, cannot speak for you. It is a classic legal word. There are
40 Kahala777 : Difference America West/Continental Airlines did not grow by leaps and bounds under Bankrupty protection. America West/Continental Airlines did not st
41 JpetekYXMD80 : Regardless of your NEW opinions of UA, what does all that shit about 2 (of the many companies mentioned) have to do with United making "Bankruptcy" a
42 StevenUhl777 : I have no clue what I'm talking about....just ignore everything I say. My friends at UA who just as misinformed as I am and hate United as much as I
43 Jmc1975 : In reality, each of the upper management at UAL probably is not able to sleep well at night, knowing they've crooked thousands of peoples' lives. Does
44 Kahala777 : Watch who you are quoting..... Check the Forum Rules.... I did not post that! I did not sign my name to that! Regards - Kahala777
45 Flyboyaz : Sad but true...I think that's exactly what other airlines are saying...I know people at HP are saying it! We went through a bancruptcy and downsized
46 Kahala777 : Incorrect Regards - Kahala777
47 Post contains images JpetekYXMD80 : Ever hear of the infamous 'signed by' posts here on this site? He did not quote you, he quoted me. You did not sign your name to that? Well no shit,
48 Post contains links Flyibaby : As of 9pm last night..UA rampers are already getting signs together that say "International Association of Machinists On Strike." Per their CS agents,
49 APFPilot1985 : CO lite?
50 BAW716 : Avek00 Let me correct a couple things: 1. I believe that UA management is protecting their golden parachutes. Therefore anything that the IAM does to
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