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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 33348 times:

Hi!

This treat is mainly for them which are working currently for Emirates. It seems, that Emirates is looking all over the world for new employees. I think it would really nice to work for them, since this is one of the top leading airlines in the whole world. Even the economy of Emriates looks not bad right now.

How is the "working-spirit" at Emirates? They give you really good benefits as well.
Do would recommend to try to get a job at Emirates? (Maybe F/A, or QC)

Your comments would be highly appreciated!

Regards,
Patrick


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User currently offlineEKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 33298 times:

Patrick

I know several of the Pilots (both Cpt and F/O) as well as cabin crew, administrators etc. EK is like all companies, you have good and bad days. However i have not yet met anyone that has vowed to quit their job tomorrow.. All live comfortably here in Dubai and EK offers a good benefit package, so my friends tell me.

Part of the enjoyment of working with Emirates would also be the opportunity to live in Dubai. Whilst not working in aviation or for EK, i have lived here for over 5 years and it is an exciting place to be.

Good Luck


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 33278 times:

Patrick,

All that I can tell you is that we are lucky some of the EK staff I know, don't have access to Airliners.net... Big grin



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User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 33210 times:

Around 50 cabin crew leave EK every month, the work is very hard, long hours and very tight rostering. And yes your based in DXB but your hardly ever at home.

Flying with an airline and flying for an airline are 2 VERY different things.


User currently offlineEKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 33175 times:

Quoting Sammyhostie (Reply 3):
Around 50 cabin crew leave EK every month, the work is very hard, long hours and very tight rostering. And yes your based in DXB but your hardly ever at home.

Any organisation that employs 000's of people will have a turnover of staff. 50 crew per month is not huge compared to the 000's employed. How many staff do BA, QF etc lose per month? HOw many of those 50 per month leave because of dissatisfaction? i speak with a lot of EK crew due to the amount of travel i do. There is no mutiny happening and like most people, they take the good with the bad in their chosen occupation. Emphasis on the word chosen...


User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 33166 times:

Oh yes i know and agree completely. But what i meant to convey that just because its first class airline it dosent mean it is the same employer wise.

If you want to be cabin crew, you always have to be prepared to take the s**t unfortunately, which is the same in every airline, worldwide.


User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 33113 times:

Thanks so much for your posts guys!!!

And by the way:

VERY NICE WELCOME TO AIRLINERS.NET - EKGOLD!!!! I hope you enjoy your time here!!!!
Have fun!! (( Smile

Regards,
Patrick



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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 33083 times:

Good subject! I just applied online yesterday......... was wondering the same..

KL911



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 33006 times:

Cabin crew want to think themselves lucky they are not stacking shelves in some 24 hour supermarket or working in the new sweatshops; call centres, for £5 an hour.

Cabin crew dont know their born!


User currently offlineVHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 33002 times:

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 4):
How many staff do BA, QF etc lose per month?

Actually, we just had 3 leave last month (MEL based), and that was talked about quite a bit! So, compared to that, 50 is quite huge. I fly with a few ex-Emirates F/As, and have heard very mixed reports about what it is like to fly for them.
But believe me, 50 people per month leaving a job that pays US$1500 per month tax free (plus accommodations and benefits) really does say something.


User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 32952 times:

I think those fluctuations with employees is more or less normal for such a big airline.
Does anybody know how many F/A's are flying for EK?
Home many vacation days does EK offer?

One think's it's alright, the other one says great, the last one got pissed somehow. That is in every company the same....

Regards,
Patrick



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User currently offlineSoundtrack From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 32935 times:

Some of my friends are cabin crew at EK. Work is very tough - tight scheduling like flying Singapore - Australia - NZ with 24-6 hr layovers - then back. I've know other airlines to get 2-4 days at some destinations - EK rarely has this.

Other difficult routings include many turnarounds to places like Moscow - India - Maldives - etc. You'd better not mind flights to Middeast and India and Pakistan Bangladesh as this is a big market as well as Africa and Europe.

Pay is higher - but work is also and like those above said - there are good and bad days - but most I know don't hate the airline -but don't love it either.
IT'S A BUSINESS - EK has to make money - so they work their staff hard.

EK is also selective and seem to look for a certain personality - of course smart is one of them.

Dubai isn't to me a great place - similar to Las Vegas without gambling and very superficial - most people working there are not there bc they love the place but bc the money is there. So home is generally where the heart is and therefore you get a sort of material environment. ALthough Dubai govt has done a great great job compared to the surrouding region in building this city as a hub. Dubai is simple - got lots of money - could be much more enjoyable - got less - and its a job.

Pilots get treated well with seperate cars or limos and housing. So I believe they are top notch.

FAs are well treated but of course share housing via apmts (3 per room) but work hard and similar to a dorm in college/univ.

As a pax, EK's inflight is the best and they seem to be efficient at routings - thus working the crews quite hard.

EK wants to make a profit - people seem to believe 'they have oil' and therefore make a profit due to this advantage -but from what I know - they pay like anyone else. EK is well managed - so i believe you will respect mgmt - maybe not like them.

LIke above - I have known those who are using EK as stepping stones and then moving on - but all seem to be satisfied with the job - but it is A JOB... not fun.

You'd better like living i hot desert climates or not be homesick = as Dubai isn't Europe or the US or even crowded Asia. It's a rising city in the Middeast and a stopover for millions of pax.

hope i helped


User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 32922 times:

Exactly. Cabin crew is a job, nothing else, same as everyone else.

User currently offlineEKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 32884 times:

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 9):
But believe me, 50 people per month leaving a job that pays US$1500 per month tax free (plus accommodations and benefits) really does say something.

50 looks like a large number out of context. I cant locate the exact crew numbers for the moment to calculate a staff t/over ratio but you also have to recognise that Dubai and the middle east is historically a very transient place. Western people come here by the lure of tax free packages and generous lifestyles, spend a few years away from friends and family in a culture and environment that is far removed from what we are accustomed to and return to their former lives a couple of years later, usually with a fist full of tax free dollars. Ask how many of the 50 per month that leave are they dissatisfied only with Emirates, or are they leaving because of other personal reasons or have they done their time and want to return to a more normal way of life. Then ask how many are not better off for the experience, both financially and what they have achieved in their time in Dubai or the middle east.. I am not saying that EK does not get their pound of flesh out of their staff I am sure they do. As a total package is it as bad as working for any other long haul airline?


User currently offlineT154M From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2005, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 32866 times:

Hi Soundtrack,
I just want to correct your statement about (3 living in one room).
Actualy three cabin crew living in a 3 bedroom Apt. with each having his/her own bedroom and bathroom, offcourse sharing the rest of the appartement together which is not a college dorm at all. I've been to many of these appts in different buildings and in different locations around dubai and i'll tell you they are perfect living accomodation.


User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32851 times:
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Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 10):
Home many vacation days does EK offer?

Annual Leave
42 days per year

Monthly Salary
Starting Salary is Dhs 28,650 and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.

Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 400

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User currently offlineORD777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32766 times:

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 18):
Why not? Whilst I appreciate that cabin crew are there primarily for safety what they actually do for most of their time is serve coffee. How difficult can this be?

Because it's incredibley difficult. Flying all over the world, never sleeping in your bed, dealing with hundreds of passengers every day who are cranky, tired and rude. Any customer service oriented job is difficult, let alone being stuck inside a confined area with them for hours on end. The amount of training that it takes to become an F/A is enourmous and to generalize thier responisibilities in one sentence "How difficult can it be to serve coffee?" completely undermines thier profession. Also, according to the FAs at my airline, the DBX route always has the most demanding (by far) passengers with the highest standards. So, no, serving coffee is not difficult, but there are many aspects of the profession that are very taxing.


User currently offlineKLMcedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 810 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32759 times:

To my knowledge EK cabin crew don't have a union defending their interests
and EK doesn't have a collective labour agreement.
This results in very long and hard working hours and short time off when
at home base.
I wouldn't want to work for EK, I think I could keep it up for some years but
then I'd have to cope with some serious health issues like any normal human being.I'd be forced to quit or work halftime(if even possible at EK).
I am F/A at KLM and I seriously think this must be one of the best companies in the world to be working for as F/A.
We have nice destinations with some very nice layovers(e.g.:5days NYC,8daysJNB,8daysCPT,9daysBKK,7daysSIN,6daysGRU,NRT,KIX,14days KUL
etc.) pay is not bad(especially not if you become widebodypurser), and we have an awful lot of free time after each flight(somtimes 6,7,8 days).
We are very well treated, you'll never hear me complain about my job, I love it and couldn't imagine myself doing anything else at this point.
But even we feel physically completely exhausted frequently.

Trident2e, Imagine flying AMS-LAX,staying there 24hrs with a 9hour time
difference and flying back to AMS.Not as a passenger but working(serving coffee as you so respectfully say it) in a extremely dry environment with as much oxygen as in the highest skistations.
Also the fact that you live without any form of regular biological clock does weird things with your body after some time,this should also be considered.
I never felt more tired before in my life then after one of these flights,so
don't underestimate it.
This comment of you makes me sad in some way.It proves that most people think of it we don't have to do anything and it's just one big holiday.

So to get back to the topic, even in a company like KLM were FA still get a fantastic treatment and a lot of time off we get seriously worn out, I can only express a lot of respect for my colleages over at EK, who probably work double the time as I do.


User currently offlineEK773 From Malta, joined Jul 2004, 233 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32668 times:

Like anything it has its positives and negatives but alot of it depends on your mindset. You have to think, and make it work for you. Some people come to Dubai and expect everything to be like it is in their home country. And that just doesnt work. At the end of the day its what you make of it for yourself.

Allow me to add some points or re-iterate some already offered relating to cabin crew.

-Accomodation is provided in either 2 or 3 bedroom apartments but each person gets their own bedroom and bathroom. Males and Females cannot share apartments but live together in the same buildings. Generally flatmates are matched with people of similar religion/culture. And there is an option to move apartments to live with friends depending on vacancies.

-The roster has a bidding system so you can request where/when you want to fly. Although this is not guaranteed you have a fair degree of flexibility. There is also an online swap facility so you can swap your flights for other destinations, for days off or swap your days off for flights. Your choice provided it fits in with legalities.

-EK is not a travel agent sending its crew for long layovers. Its true that 24hrs is the most common but it is a job and you're required to work to get paid right?

-Moscow was only operated as a turnaround due to visa problems. This is now rectified and operates as a layover. Maldives is not a turnaround either! And India is close enough to Dubai to operate as a turnaround.

-I dont know the figure of crew leaving each month, but above is written 50 so we'll go with that. Remember that all crew are on 3yr contracts, not 'job-for-life' deals like European airlines. So imagine that every month so many contracts end their 3year life. You then have a choice to renew your contract (depending on your performance) or return to your home country. This may explain the turnover.

It is a rewarding experience. Of course having good days and bad days. Good flights and bad flights but you have to let the good experiences outweigh the bad. For more information take a look at www.emiratesgroupcareers.com


Trident2e -- think again!!! Thats all i'll say.


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32618 times:

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 18):
Why not? Whilst I appreciate that cabin crew are there primarily for safety what they actually do for most of their time is serve coffee. How difficult can this be?

It is very difficult because the F/A's get passengers exactly like you! People who live an incredible ignorance and think they are the only once in the world. I started my career as a F/A. In the meantime I am Captain, TRI and TRE and do run a flight department. I never would say that my first job was less demanding than what I did after. I just did different things, but as you can read in previous answers, it may be fun, as long as you choose the schedule. But then it gets hard, I can tell you real hard. You will have no more control about your live, it's controlled by Crew Control and you are basically a slave. Finally there is one very important fact: The F/A may serve you your coffee, but a good F/A should also have the abilities to make feel every single passenger welcome and something special. She/he must be able to read the passengers wish from his face and should also be around if the passenger only wants to talk. Then the F/A should be educated enough to conduct a nice chat the passenger feels well in. The F/A should also be able to look after persons who are afraid or sad and not at all open to talk. Do you find such points with somebody who's best qualification is to serve coffee?


User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32568 times:

Legacy,

Thank you for some maturity on the topic, half of a.net think unless your in the flight deck, your nothing.

Trident is most likely a frustrated accountant somewhere, or perhaps at home, on fraudlent benefits watching Discovery Wings.

[Edited 2005-05-30 19:31:21]

User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32526 times:

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 13):
Absolutely. How difficult can it be to serve coffee?

From what I heard by the flight attendants, any type of coffee service into/out of the New York area is a long, hair-pulling experience. Coffee regular, anyone?



If not now, then when?
User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32519 times:

Hello together,

thanks a lot for your infos sharing with us. This is very kind and helps to find maybe the right airline to work for.

Regards,
Patrick



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 32209 times:
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Quoting EK773 (Reply 22):
It is a rewarding experience. Of course having good days and bad days. Good flights and bad flights but you have to let the good experiences outweigh the bad.

I think those are great wisdom words from EK773. All job positions have advantages/disadvantages as all companies have dark and bright sides. I think working at EK gives a strong background from a human side and an operational flexibility point of view. I have some colleagues who did it and they came back stronger than ever with an excellent mood !!!

Rgds,

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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 31811 times:

Hi!
I think it's a nice feeling to work for a company where the economics are healthy, and where you can be sure: Your company provides one of the best or even the best quality product in the airline industry. This feeling cheers surely up employees as well.

I think if you're able to leave where you live right now, there is a great chance to have a very interesting job at a very interesting company.

And as mentioned above, it's a great chance to start as a F/A and go maybe to another company after three years.

What is better? Shorthoul or longhaul flights? I heard longhaul is way better...
What are the F/A here saying?

Regards,
Patrick



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25 Flying Belgian : @ KLMCedric: I trully enjoyed reading your post. It was full of truth and honesty. FB.
26 Glidepath73 : Are you sure this a monthly F/A salary? That sounds a lot; it would be more than € 6.000!!! That sounds unreal....... On the EK website they say yo
27 Post contains images IwantaBBJ : Thought the same, Patrick... Give me that salary and I'll apply immediately Must be a pilots salary, I guess.... Mike
28 United Airline : NO WAY! If that's true I will apply. Even CX FAs can't make that much. Nor the ones at DL, UA etc. Must be pilots
29 KLMcedric : Flying Belgian, thanks for your reply, appreciate it!!! Here's some more truth and honesty for you: Trident2e, you had some people here who tried to e
30 Fokkerf28 : Are you sure, that would be $7,827.86 per month!!!!!!
31 777boi : EK currently have around 6000 crew working for them, and are on a large recruitment drive at the moment. We get thirty annual leave days each year, wi
32 Post contains images PK786 : Hi All, Just wondering if they hire only crew or something else is too.How is working for them as ticket counter person or any thing else.I like to wo
33 Post contains images ETStar : Seriously folks, don't take Trident's remarks worthy of replies. If you feel insulted or it is out of context, suggest that it be deleted. While FA an
34 Post contains links 777boi : PK786- Try www.emiratesgroupcareers.com This website lists all job vacancies within emirates. ETStar- Yes, Emirates F/A's do get industry travel. Unli
35 Post contains images SQ773 : I have to say that these layovers are not representative at all, at least as far as european airlines is concerned. I work as a f/a for LH and know a
36 United Airline : It is demanding. A cabin crew doesn't only serve food but must also take care of passengers at 30000 feet high. And lots of demanding tasks like deal
37 Flying Belgian : Maybe KLMcedric was referring to some kind of missions ?? I remember KLM has some crews that are based in NYC for some days. FB.
38 FA4UA : wow, I'd love to see this guy do my job for one month. I'd love to see him try to keep a hysterical woman calm while the other crew members administe
39 PHXinterrupted : Is $1500 a month a lot? That doesn't seem like a lot to me, not to mention quality of life issues.
40 CaptinTuT : well yea, that was my Mistake sorry guys this is for Pilots
41 Sammyhostie : We dont get paid a lot, at all...average basic in UK is £9 - 10,500k .... yeah you get allowances etc but its not a lot.
42 777boi : Yes Sammthostie, but your pay also varies greatly on what grade you are and how much you fly per month. If you are willing to do the hours each month,
43 KaiGywer : Taken out of context, it sounds little, but according to people on here, it is tax free, and you live for free. So basically this is what you have le
44 Post contains images Glidepath73 : Hi all! Thanks again for all the very, very useful posts guys! I appreciate that a lot! As mentioned on earlier posts, there might be advantages and d
45 Sammyhostie : "I think it is a pretty decent salary considering it is baically pure pocket money!" Really? you know even little than I thought you did.
46 Soundtrack : Thanks T154 - I meant actually 3 per 3 bedroom apmt but didn't carefully write this. The 'dorm' environment is still true as you often can meet others
47 ETStar : How about per diem at Emirates? What is the rate?
48 EKcrew : Just for info, some of Emirates current layovers are: ATH - 27hrs or 49hrs BKK - 24hrs or 48hrs HKG - 24hrs or 50hrs MLA - 48hrs or 80hrs CDG - 24hrs
49 Post contains images United Airline : From what I heard CX is the world's best paid airline especially for pilots but they don't treat their staff very well.
50 QantasA330 : CX treat their crews just fine... better than EK - believe me. Other than those poor 49ers that is. There are worse places to be than EK, but I can st
51 EKGOLD : A pretty general statement about the car keys in the house. Can you back it up or is it heresay, chinese whispers or my mate who knows this guy whose
52 QantasA330 : Nah mate... I personally know all of those aforementioned characters. I remember a few months (as in 12) ago, there was lots of talk of people going t
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