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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5553 times:

I found this article today on MSNBC.com ....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8034253/

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User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

I guess Dallas has more at steak with the huge new international terminal set to open and not many an airline showing any major interest in service yet. Will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

I still think its a way outside shot for Dallas to get this service... but the battle between the airports will be fun to watch. With the much bigger Indian population of Houston, coupled with the presence of the Indian consulate/diplomatic services in the city, I just don't think Air India will land in DFW on much more than a weather diversion enroute to Houston.

Having said that, I am sure AI will do equally well from either city, since its the seemingly unlimited traffic potential to India we're talking about, and the consolidators around the country will be routing a bunch of connecting traffic through either of the cities no matter what.



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User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 1):
With the much bigger Indian population of Houston

The Indian population is actually similar in Dallas and Houston. If you look at South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc) then Houston is larger. Don't know which city has more business traffic. My guess is AI will get more pax on the houston - europe leg then they will from dallas. AI need to start SFO and IAD first though.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 1):
I guess Dallas has more at steak with the huge new international terminal set to open and not many an airline showing any major interest in service yet.

I agree. I have to say that it's time for Terminal D and Skylink to start putting out: the rational behind the $3 billion dollar investment in DFW was to win competitions like these.

Quoting Jr (Reply 1):
I still think its a way outside shot for Dallas to get this service...

I also agree, and have somewhat of a sick feeling that if DFW were to lose, they would use it as further ammunition against WN in the Wright Ammendment battle. Here's hoping, nonetheless  Wink

http://www.win-con.com/library/dfw.jpg


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Can't they offer thrice a week from IAH and DFW? Given the population of Indians in these two cities, it would make more sense. AI from LAX does not go full, with a population of about 200,000 Indians flying on both DEL and BOM flights.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

Sorry, but a new international terminal is not a reason for new airlines to come to an airport. It doesn't magically create a market that didn't exist earlier.


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User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
Sorry, but a new international terminal is not a reason for new airlines to come to an airport. It doesn't magically create a market that didn't exist earlier.

I don't think anyone implied that. But the steaks are high for the DFW airport board to justify the big new terminal... No, its not a reason for airlines to come, but DFW just has a bigger reason now to go after airlines with whatever they have - including BS about keeping the Wright ammendment in place.



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User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

PIA chose Houston. Which i believe was the right choice as it seves as the largest catchment point with great connectivity. However PIA loads are still poor, largely due to their bad marketing practices.

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2577 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

IMHO, Houston is a MUCH more diverse, international city than Dallas.

Should be no contest.


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5234 times:

What is all of this noise about Air India starting up cities like Denver, Dallas, Houston, when they don't fly to SFO, IAD, etc.? Don't they have closer ties with Star and UA than Skyteam or Oneworld?

I don't know enough about any of it to make any judgements but it doesn't seem like these markets should be looked at before the D.C. or Bay area. With which US airlines does Air India have the closest relationship? That might create the needed connection opportunities to make an India-Texas route work. No matter which city (Dallas or Houston) they chose, other Indian pax could hop on a 1-hour flight and be in either city quickly. So maybe the two markets together could support the flight - now it's just time to see if either has the incentives lined up to attract AI.

I still don't see a year round market being there for Houston or Dallas (maybe 3x weekly) but I guess Air India is just chomping at the bit to have more of a presence in the US. Should be interesting either way.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Sorry, but a new international terminal is not a reason for new airlines to come to an airport. It doesn't magically create a market that didn't exist earlier.

Actually... to some extent it does. I have yet to experience it myself, but if the reviews are any indication, the new Terminal D and people-mover system will make the airport one of the most connection-friendly airports around. Headache free connections have always been a stumbling block for DFW, a stain on an otherwise excellent facility. DFW is more centerally located (geographically) than IAH with a stronger hub presence and connection potential.

That isn't to say the "build it and they will come" mantra didn't play some roll in continuing the project post-9/11. While I have no doubt that Terminal D will be a crown jewel at some point in the future, it's success so far has left much to be desired. These are the type of competitions we built Terminal D to help win, it's time to win one.

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 8):
Houston is a MUCH more diverse, international city than Dallas.

Population wise or industry wise? Ethnic diversity, most likely, but the DFW metroplex boasts a much broader array of business than Houston. DFW is a larger center for banking, finance, high-tech, software development, medical, and retail than Houston's otherwise oil/energy dominated economy.

If Houston is such an amazing city, why the constant inferiority complex?  Wink

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 8):
Should be no contest.

IAH has no plans to offer incentive packages or lobby AI directly. Delegations from Dallas have met repeatedly with AI. It's yours to lose.


User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

Quoting PIA747 (Reply 7):
However PIA loads are still poor, largely due to their bad marketing practices.

If i understand correctly PIA does not have fifth freedom rights on O&D traffic to their midway stopping point enroute to IAH (Manchester?). AI, if they start the service, will in all liklihood have those rights to their midway stopping point in Europe (FRA or LHR?). Now that in itself could make or break these flights. Also, I think traffic to India is a lot higher than traffic to Pakistan simply because of the differing sizes of the two countries. It would not surprise me one bit if PIA decides to pull IAH in favor of more profitable ventures elsewhere.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
IAH has no plans to offer incentive packages or lobby AI directly. Delegations from Dallas have met repeatedly with AI. It's yours to lose.

Now that is news to me. But it makes sense that DFW is more desparate to get new international service.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
Actually... to some extent it does. I have yet to experience it myself, but if the reviews are any indication, the new Terminal D and people-mover system will make the airport one of the most connection-friendly airports around.

How did ATL's international traffic from non-DL carriers look like before and after their international terminal was built? Didn't traffic there pick up significantly after the terminal came online?



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User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 11):
If i understand correctly PIA does not have fifth freedom rights on O&D traffic to their midway stopping point enroute to IAH (Manchester?). AI, if they start the service, will in all likelihood have those rights to their midway stopping point in Europe (FRA or LHR?). Now that in itself could make or break these flights. Also, I think traffic to India is a lot higher than traffic to Pakistan simply because of the differing sizes of the two countries. It would not surprise me one bit if PIA decides to pull IAH in favor of more profitable ventures elsewhere.

I concur, Pakistan is actually not a good comparison for Indian carriers given the differences in the respective ethnic pop size and geographic spread in the US, the lack of Western carriers that service Pakistan and the O&D traffic rights between the US and Europe. AI should never serve a US city just twice a week. Its resources would be better served else where.

I agree about the importance of fifth freedom rights from Texas to Europe for Indian carriers. I think that AI should chose between Dallas and Houston based on the competition on the Dallas/Houston - Europe route. Maybe that's why Dallas is still in the running even though many feel Houston should be first (less Europe competition x Dallas). Although given that no carrier serves LHR-IAH, I think AI should transfer the ORD - LHR flights to IAH and purchase slots for a daily frequency on the route. AI knows how to make money on a monopoly route (and AI is not subject to B2 agreement)!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 12):
Although given that no carrier serves LHR-IAH,

BA does, with a same-plane stopover in ORD

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 12):
and AI is not subject to B2 agreement

That's not true.

Just that their destination rights were grandfathered seeing as they've been flying LHR-USA longer than any airline as it exists today.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 11):
Now that is news to me. But it makes sense that DFW is more desparate to get new international service.

It's in the article


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

I really believe that right now, Air India is DFW's to lose. I think this for a couple reasons. Right now, there are only three airlines at DFW to offer "seamless" connections to the Indian subcontinent--KE, LH, and AC. At IAH, there is KL, AF, BA, LH, and AC. That is A LOT of seats to the Indian market. Not to mention the non-Indian regional connections offered by PIA. Dallas has a very tech/telecom heavy economy compared to Houston. Houston might have a larger Indian population, but the larger Indian population means nothing when you consider that airlines would rather start services to cities with a higher amount of business traffic as opposed to VFR (visiting friends and relatives) traffic. The new terminal might not be a big "draw" for AI, but it certainly helps out. Anyone who is familiar with DFW knows that the international end of Terminal B is just a really, really bad joke and it certainly hasn't done anything to help matters.

Anyway, I see this as DFW's to lose at this point. And if they lose it, they ought to fire the DFW Airport board. It's just one gaffe after another with those guys. Unfortunately, bueraucrats never get fired though. That being said, in reality, getting an AI flight a few times a week is nice, but it's really not what DFW should be pushing for. Dallas is the largest market in the US not served by KL, same goes for AF. We've been hearing that JL will be making a comeback, but again, nothing concrete ever gets done.

[Edited 2005-05-30 22:15:50]


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User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13):
Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 12):
Although given that no carrier serves LHR-IAH,

BA does, with a same-plane stopover in ORD

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 12):
and AI is not subject to B2 agreement

That's not true.

Just that their destination rights were grandfathered seeing as they've been flying LHR-USA longer than any airline as it exists today.

I meant non-stop IAH-LHR.

My understanding is that B2 only applies to UK and US airlines (india is not a party to the agreement). Under the current bilaterals with the US and UK, Indian carriers can fly from any UK airport, including LHR, to any US city (obviously it has to be an international airport). My understating is that there is no exception for LHR.


User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

I think they should choose IAH over DFW. If they could get a flight from LHR and be able to pick up passengers in LHR they would make a killing. (I have no idea if they can or not due to 5th freedom stuff). Would it hurt them if they did LHR-DFW-IAH like Lufthansa used to do in South Africa? FRA-JHB-CPT?

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
Population wise or industry wise? Ethnic diversity, most likely, but the DFW metroplex boasts a much broader array of business than Houston. DFW is a larger center for banking, finance, high-tech, software development, medical, and retail than Houston's otherwise oil/energy dominated economy.

Uhh no..Houston is no longer the oil dependant city of 1980--the Texas Medical Center is the largest in the world. Retail also bests Dallas--No new international terminal will change the fact that Houston IS the international aviation city in Texas--and perhaps the south save for Miami. Air India will more than likely come to IAH--for DFWs sake I hope they go there--somebody needs to go into that white elephant international terminal.  boxedin   box 



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User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 15):
here are only three airlines at DFW to offer "seamless" connections to the Indian subcontinent--KE, LH, and AC

Actually KE is really not seamless. With a big layover at ICN, and both the DFW flights, and the BOM flights not being daily, its really nothing to write home about. The one time i took KE, I flew to Bangkok, and then onto india because the connections were quicker.

The Indian embassy's presence in IAH might just factor into the decsion if the Indian government decides to want its way. Actually AI could easily fly to IAH with a stop at DFW like LH used to do before. Heck they do it with all their flights going out of India that fly all over india and then onto BOM before flying out west. I don't think AI is anybody's to lose just yet.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 11):
It would not surprise me one bit if PIA decides to pull IAH in favor of more profitable ventures elsewhere.

I expect PIA to wait and see how the nonstop flights with the LR goes before pulling the plug.



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13):
Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 12):
and AI is not subject to B2 agreement

That's not true.

Air India (or any other Indian carrier) is absolutely NOT subject to the Bermuda II agreement.

Bermuda II is a bilateral agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom. As such, it is only binding on those two countries.

Air India is governed by the US-India and the UK-India bilateral agreements.

In the case of the US-India bilateral agreement, there is an open route schedule that permits Indian carriers to operate from ANY points in India via ANY intermediate points (including London Heathrow) to ANY points in the United States to ANY points beyond with full unrestricted passenger and cargo rights.

In the case of the UK-India bilateral agreement, the route schedule permits Indian carriers to operate to ANY points beyond the United Kingdom with full unrestricted fifth freedom traffic rights.

As such, any Indian carrier could open up flights between London Heathrow and ANY point in the United States that it chooses to, irrespective of the conditions of the Bermuda II agreement to which India is NOT a party.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 18):
Air India will more than likely come to IAH--for DFWs sake I hope they go there--somebody needs to go into that white elephant international terminal.

Did you even read the part of the article where local business leaders in Houston were bemoaning the fact that IAH has done next to nothing to win AI service? Meanwhile, delegations from Dallas have taken multiple trips to India, invited AI executives to Dallas, and offered incentive packages.

If through some fluke IAH wins the service, that's got to be the biggest prize to land in someone's lap for doing nothing sense... the Rockets managed to stretch the Mavs to 7 games.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 18):
the Texas Medical Center is the largest in the world.

It's a public treatment hospital, not a world-renown research/university (of which Dallas has two


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 22):
If through some fluke IAH wins the service, that's got to be the biggest prize to land in someone's lap for doing nothing

Air India believes Houston to be the better market and WILL fly to Houston rather than Dallas unless the latter can put together a strong enough package (incentives, etc...) to convince them otherwise.

Air India WANTS to fly this route from the Winter 2005 schedule but that is looking increasingly unlikely now. In all likelihood, these will come into play for the Summer 2006 schedule period.


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3924 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 19):
The Indian embassy's presence in IAH

Embassy's are in D.C., Houston has a consulate.

I suppose I will weigh in on this. As a sometime Houston resident, I am certainly rooting for the home team to snag this plum. IMO, if there was one Asian carrier that I thought would really work well with IAH, AI is that carrier. That said, as much as I rail against DFW on a regular basis, I know that they have one hell of a marketing team that goes all out to win new services. I seem to recall when JAL came calling to both Texas airports back in the late 90s, DFW (and their local, state and federal reps) rolled out the red carpet for JL, wined and dined JL officials, while HAS did what they do best......nothing. Rumor has it that HAS and local officials did not even bother to submit a proposal to JAL as not to jeopardize the then pending CO N/S to NRT, whether that is true or not, I can not say. What I find disturbing and reminiscent to the JL story in this article is HAS's apparent indifference. From this outsider's eye, it looks like history might just be repeating itself. As with the JL proposal, one might wonder if HAS might be getting pressure from the home team (CO) not to actively pursue this service. Still that is only wild speculation on my part with nothing to back it up.

Thomas



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25 FlyingTexan : I’m going to join the proverbial watermelon seed spitting contest between my birthplace and its neighbor to the north. The Texas Medical Center is t
26 Pbb152 : Remember, Jet Airways is also looking at IAH/DFW for impending service within the next year or two. It seems highly likely to me that one will choose
27 Thomasphoto60 : I agree completely. Frankly, I am hoping that IAH would end up with AI as there is a little more cache with having a nation's 'flag' carrier. Though
28 Post contains images JCS17 : Welcome to 21st century . The century where DFW officials can't do anything to seal a deal and are ever fearful of seeing the silver birds leaving. I
29 Aa777jr : AI T7 will look great taxing up to the new terminal at DFW. Wish DFW luck in trying to lure them there. Regards.
30 Drerx7 : The annual Dallas vs Houston battle takes to a.net. If Air India or Jet Airways can open flights from Heathrow to Dallas or Houston--they'll make a ki
31 Post contains images DfwRevolution : Add: - Electronic Data Systems (global HQ) - Exxon Mobile (global HQ) - Blockbuster - RadioShack - Brinker International - Neimen Marcus - Zales Corp
32 Behramjee : IAH is an obvious choice for AI over DFW. No matter what DFW offers, AI should not succumb to it and should fly 3-4 weekly IAH flights. If LHR-IAH fli
33 Jr : I thinks thats a precision point right there. CO and AA would have to mostly sit and watch if these carriers come in. In the end, thats probably a go
34 Post contains links and images Aseem : so here we have some more news!! Texas rivals vie to land Air-India With Air-India eyeing the Texas market for its newest on-ground hub, Houston and D
35 Kahala777 : You sound like you live in the city of Denver. Antoher city that built it, and they never came... Now did they? DFW is north of Houston, with Houston
36 Thomasphoto60 : Can you cite an example? Thomas
37 Shawnnyc : Does India have an air agreement with Mexico? If it can, AI should consider extending the IAH or DFW flights to Mexico City.
38 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : There are so many things wrong with that statement I don’t know where to begin. A simple google search lists Houston with more than double the numb
39 Post contains images KL662 : Err, according to the list you link, the Dallas/Ft. Worth area hosts slightly more than half, with Houston slightly less than half (the relevant comp
40 Texdravid : This thread was made for me!! Unfortunately, DFW fans (I being one of them), I do not see AI coming here. While DFW has many people of Indian descent,
41 Aa777jr : IAH is an obvious choice for AI over DFW prove it.
42 Post contains images Mrniji : Would you take AI even if they wouldn't serve MAA nonstop from IAH?
43 Aa777jr : That is gonna be crazy for Texas travellers if they can get a n/s flight to LHR on AI. Hope they run some good specials, I would definitely give them
44 Post contains images Texdravid : Now where did you get that idea, dude?!! Heck no! As you know, I am very comfortable with DFW-FRA-MAA on LH!! It is straightforward, business class i
45 Post contains images Mrniji : I don't think 9W is that silly, as their decisions are business-oriented (no offence texi, just kidding )
46 COfaninBOS : NUMBER OF FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES in 2005 City of Houston:20 City of Dallas:8 Houston Metro:21 DFW Metroplex:18 NUMBER OF FORTUNE 1000 COMPANIES in 2005
47 Post contains images Texdravid : Exactly, as I'm not holding my breath. I'm talking long term view. As the U.S-India market matures, and the LAX/SFO/IAD/ORD nexus is filled, hopefull
48 Ikramerica : mmm... steaks...
49 Post contains images DfwRevolution : One you obviously did not read because the entire capital project was reevaluated post 9/11. The desicion was made to continue with the projects long
50 Bartond : First of all, Kahala I won't even comment on any of your points. You just post negative things on here to stir up controversy. Folks, the geography an
51 JCS17 : The whole "local passenger to LHR on AI theory" is actually a joke. People who fly solely to London will be perfectly content with sticking to AA and
52 Kahala777 : Please.... DFW is a White Elephant as is DEN! DFW Failed with JAL DFW Failed with Air France DFW Failed with Delta Houston, is the true gateway. It i
53 Padcrasher : It's a slam dunk for DFW. DFW has a much better geographic location for connecting traffic. IAH is just too far South. The telecom/high tech oriented
54 FlyingTexan : I take it you have not been inside IAH’s new Terminal E or the President’s Club there? Pretty snazzy.
55 Gilligan : I hope the reporter mispoke here and really meant "destination". A hub implies connecting traffic and terminal D at IAH would make a lousy place to t
56 Pbb152 : It's not even remotely close to a slam dunk for DFW. Remember, one airport is offering incentives for AI to come (DFW), while the other is not (IAH).
57 Thomasphoto60 : Add to that; Thai Air New Zealand To be fair, IAH has had it's fair share of failures. ALIA Gulf Air South African Air Jamaica (twice) Viasa Shasa Th
58 Drerx7 : Of those IAH failures--most were do to financial strife at the airlines or poor route planning. Gulf Air's route via JFK actually was a longer route t
59 Karan69 : I think what seems best to do for AI is to go 4x weekly non-stop to IAH from either one of the metros of BOM/DEL/BLR/MAA and go daily MAA-LHR-DFW in w
60 Thomasphoto60 : I agree but these 2 carriers left IAH well before they went belly up. That said if memory serves, DOT secretary Pena, kicked SHASA out of the US some
61 Drerx7 : Ahh--I stand corrected--I probably was in grade school when those carriers left. Is Air India aligned with any other carriers via codeshares?
62 Texdravid : No, I read correctly. It also said that other airports scaled back their expansion or renovation plans after 9/11 until they were sure that passenger
63 Drerx7 : No not at all--just stating the facts. In fact I didn't refer to dfw at all in that post.
64 N77014 : Ah the bickering continues even after I've left Houston. I fully believe one if not both these markets will be served in the near future. Wether it is
65 Jaysit : They could offer 24-karat gold armrests, but your average F or J passenger couldn't give two craps about that. He hears "Air India," he thinks "develo
66 Drerx7 : I still believe that regardless of perception--they'll have no problem filling up the front cabins on a IAH or DFW to LHR leg. In fact I can see Conti
67 Bartond : Drerx - good point. Say DFW does get the AI flight and it routes through LHR. What would that do to AA's 2-3x daily LGW flights? I'll bet AA would thr
68 JCS17 : Interline connections have gone the way of the dodo bird.
69 B747-437B : I beg to differ. Interline connections based on SPAs or standard YY prorates are the norm for a significant chunk of international travelers.
70 Jaysit : Even though many AA frequent flyers would rather get miles via traveling to LGW, many others would rather fly AI to LHR and connect ANYWHERE in Europe
71 US330 : All of the native Indians that I have spoken to actually prefer Lufthansa, not Air India
72 Bartond : You beat me to it, US330 - all of the native Indians that are friends of mine and/or people with whom I've spoken all take LH and connect in Frankfurt
73 Avek00 : With modest discounting AT THE MOST, AI could inflict SEVERE damage upon CO or AA with a LHR-Texas nonstop flight. High-yield passengers DO chomp at
74 LAXDESI : Lufthansa will lose many BOM/DEL bound customers to Air India, once a one stop service from Houston to BOM/DEL is offered by Air India through Frankf
75 Texdravid : Finally, someone who agrees with me about LH being the top choice for Indian travelers out of DFW. Hardly. Given AI's reputation, it will take a long
76 NomoreRJs : LH does extremely well at DFW, something BA would love to say. This has turned into another Dallas / Houston thread and I will not comment further. Yo
77 Shawnnyc : I think it is very important to remember that the main reason, not only, that people in Dallas/Houston prefer LH is that LH offers great connections
78 LAXDESI : Wait until AI gets more Aircrafts and begins to offer one stop service to MAA/BLR/HYD through the still developing Frankfurt scissor hub. LH needs th
79 FlyingTexan : Correct – from what little I’ve seen and know about international travel. Interlines are quite prominent – and I’m nowhere near the aviation
80 Mrniji : Jaysit, I conquer.. quite a few AI pax interline on LH and BD (even BA) from LHR I conquer again.. It is making the round that LHs brandname is decli
81 Jaysit : Service on Lufthansa is terrible, although their transatlantic meal service on J class is very good. However, their Y class product is hideous, and ma
82 Mrniji : And Herbert, the male FA, joining the choir: "Nooo, noooo whiskiii koke! One drink is inaff for the nekst tu aurs! you dunt haf de rait tu ask for mo
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