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YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?  
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Could be a misprint but it looks like AC is saying its starting nonstop YYZ-PEK with a 340-300. Does a 340-300 actually have the range for this ultr-long flight or did AC intend to use its 340-500?

http://yyznews.com/May.html "H" paragraph.


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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

I saw the reference to the 343 on their website annluncement of the route--I don't think it's a misprint--and in any event I don't think they have any 345s to spare as they are permanently tied up on the HKG YYZ cycle---

Must be a 343---I can't see it being longer than YYZ-DEL which they do in a 343.


User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

It's no misprint, AC will start non-stop YYZ-PEK service Jun01 with A343-300 equipment.

User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

G´day

courtesy of great circle mapper http://gc.kls2.com/

YYZ-PEK is 6578 mi




YYZ-HKG is 7810 mi




Per the ´bus webpage the range of the 340-300 is 7400 mi with full passenger load, that likely is the latest version though.

But AC´s "old" 340-ies should be able to make the trip to Beijing with no gas station required midway, all provided winds are reasonable.

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

I think AC will have no problem doing this.

YVR-SYD is 7757mi and they were able to do the trip on the east bound non-stop with an A340-300 although the west bound had a stop in HNL.

Besides, they can have certain payload restrictions when the winds are unfavorable.



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

YVR-HKG
JFK-EZE
SFO-MUC
AMM-JFK
SCL-AKL
PPT-JFK

All are A340 as well!


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 5):
YVR-HKG
JFK-EZE
SFO-MUC
AMM-JFK
SCL-AKL
PPT-JFK

All are A340 as well!

Thanks for that "exciting" bit of trivia. Those routes aren't AC. Is that your "favorites" list of A343 routings? I would imagine that there are more A343 routes than those five in the world. Does the exclamation point indicate a level of excitement or are you using the exclamation point to indicate displeasure that previous posters in this thread didn't point out your favorite routes? I find your post most puzzling. Please explain further why you are throwing out these irrelevant facts.


User currently offlineAirbus A3XX From Australia, joined May 1999, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 6):
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 5):
YVR-HKG
JFK-EZE
SFO-MUC
AMM-JFK
SCL-AKL
PPT-JFK

All are A340 as well!

Thanks for that "exciting" bit of trivia. Those routes aren't AC. Is that your "favorites" list of A343 routings? I would imagine that there are more A343 routes than those five in the world. Does the exclamation point indicate a level of excitement or are you using the exclamation point to indicate displeasure that previous posters in this thread didn't point out your favorite routes? I find your post most puzzling. Please explain further why you are throwing out these irrelevant facts.

Just to let you know that Air Canada operates A340-300s on the daily HKG/YVR run as well


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 3):
But AC´s "old" 340-ies should be able to make the trip to Beijing with no gas station required midway, all provided winds are reasonable.

Even so, I'll feel better when the 777s get delivered as they are a much more capable aircraft for that route.



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4786 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3337 times:
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If you want long A343s routes, CIs direct flights to FRA and VIE from TPE , which cannot overfly China, are 6800-7300m depending on routing.
they did try TPE-JFK, 7800m, but ended up having to put a regular stop at ANC, certainly for the westbound.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 8):
Even so, I'll feel better when the 777s get delivered as they are a much more capable aircraft for that route.

YYZ-PEK is not a long route. The 343 will have zero trouble negotiating it.

N


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting Airbus A3XX (Reply 7):

Just to let you know that Air Canada operates A340-300s on the daily HKG/YVR run as well

Yes, I know that. You can go to the Air Canada website and find out what flights they fly. Most airlines have websites with their schedule on it.

This thread is about how a route from YYZ to PEK is scheduled to operate using an A343. Some people respond with useful and relevant information such as the range of the A343 or other routes that are longer using A343s and their distances for comparison purposes. I'm trying to figure out how blurting out a list of A340 routes without distances or comparison is part of the discussion. I am also unsure why it is relevant whether or not YVR to HKG is an AC route when obviously the list of routes that were listed were not a grouping of AC routes.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

And FYI, several of the posts compared statute miles to nautical miles.

YYZ-PEK is a short 5716nm vs the 343's max pax range of 7400nm. This route would even be available for a pretty big uplift of cargo.

N


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4786 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3201 times:
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Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12):
the 343's max pax range of 7400nm

but is that really realistic, 7400nm??? Not sure which source you might be using but I suspect that would be with no or minimal headwinds and unrealistic reserves. I think a more realistic number for most airlines would be high 6000s at best. If 7400nm was realistic, CI would be flying JFK-TPE direct still!!


User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

I remember reading that the flight would only take 13 hours. I love that so many nonstops from toronto to asia are popping up. The idea of getting to asia in under 14 hours with no connections from an airport close to where I live is great.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 13):
Not sure which source you might be using but I suspect that would be with no or minimal headwinds and unrealistic reserves.

They're manufacturer's numbers, so sure they assume no headwind and unrealistic reserves.  Smile

That being said, YYZ-PEK is a no-brainer.

N


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