Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2588 times:
They won't be carrying me again at any point in the future. Either them or EasyJet. These UK based LCC's are nothing like WN, despite their protestations to the contrary. I will be starting my own thread about this when I get back to the states.
posting from LHR Hilton...
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2561 times:
Whoever said they were like WN? They're not and they never will be. Personally I find them perfectly adequate for the price. It's when you expect diamonds but only pay for string - that's the usual expectation.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2393 times:
FR are also hedging at 72% / £47 a barrel prices for the coming winter season. Which could be a shrewd move. At least it gives them planning stability in the year going forward
Quoting Geoffm (Reply 3): Whoever said they were like WN? They're not and they never will be.
FR and EZY sell you a seat and nothing else. Just like a bus or train. Unfortunately some passengers (especially WN users) can't get their heads round this and expect them to be clones of Southwest or offer the support of British Airways if things go wrong.
Irishjohn From Russia, joined Nov 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2314 times:
Not sure I follow your logic on Government subsidies?! Are you suggesting that the bail-out of AZ is the same as providing incentives to operate a route to a regional airport, or an airport in an 'out of the way' location? Not even remotely the same!
How do you equate providing another loan to a bankrupt company such as AZ, with providing incentives to a hugely successful carrier, such as FR - where airports all over Europe are fighting for the opportunity to be invited to tender!
Sounds a bit like our American cousins attempts at suggesting that Chapter 11 is a good thing!!!!!!
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2266 times:
Quoting Irishjohn (Reply 8): Not sure I follow your logic on Government subsidies?! Are you suggesting that the bail-out of AZ is the same as providing incentives to operate a route to a regional airport, or an airport in an 'out of the way' location? Not even remotely the same!
As Mrniji already mentioned - a subsidy is a subsidy.
If the airport is owned by the city/state/country that it's located in, it's a subsidy, nothing more, nothing less.
If the airport is privately held, it's another subject - but only then.
Irishjohn From Russia, joined Nov 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
a subsidy is not always a subsidy!!!
Still not with your point - one is provided to attempt to safe jobs, etc (a lot like pouring money down a great big black hole) and the other is being provided to create NEW jobs, NEW revenues and NEW opportunities. I believe there is a difference between a subsidy and an incentive!
But your opinion is important, and not better or worse than mine, so let's agree to differ!
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1975 times:
Quoting Brons2 (Reply 2): They won't be carrying me again at any point in the future. Either them or EasyJet. These UK based LCC's are nothing like WN, despite their protestations to the contrary. I will be starting my own thread about this when I get back to the states.
Actually, I did a thread on this a few weeks ago. With the new "recover a thread" feature, you should check it out
Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 4): Maybe because they dont want to be like Southwest?
You mean grow to almost 5 times their current size, enjoy 30 years of profitability, and not treat customers like $hit? I guess not
A private company (receiving indirect state subsidies Big grin )
Maybe the argument over subsidies/incentives belong in a different post. But to put it in perspective, Ryanair does not get subsidies. It may receive incentives from local authorities to fly to their local airport, thereby creating jobs for the local economy, enabling folk to pay taxes, spend money and of course, the added benefit of thousands of travelers spending their monies too.
There are countless areas of France, for one example, that have benefited enormously because Ryanair offers service to their local airport at cheap, affordable prices.
That is a huge difference to an entity owing their entire existence to state bailouts and that would not otherwise survive in a free market economy.
I won't be around much from now on, mainly just the occasional visit once- or twice-weekly.
It is hardly surprising that FR's profit has increased, as it does every year. It is, once again, testament to the fact that it is an ever-popular airline and is increasing its efficiency still further. Well done.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
Jamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1570 times:
For the first time this year I've flown with FR between BLK and STN 4 times and I've not had one problem, admittedly I had to scrape off from my seat someone's half eaten butty from a previous flight!
I found the cabin crew to be nice and the pilots to be quite professional (I got to pop into the flightdeck after landing at STN once).
Well done Ryanair!
Phoning it in from a place with no phones.
: Ryanair is a PLC - Public Limited Company. And what is stopping any other airline from recieving such incentives? Answer: Nothing.
: I don't believe you.. your addiction to alcohol will cause further late night visits to a.net
: Hard to fathom all that hate for an airline that lifted moribund airfields into life, offered hundreds of employees gainful employment, and offered mi